Topic: Not looking good for labour...

[redimp]

Well now.
Arthur stood up to the government and got his bloody arse kicked.
When governments continually move the goalposts and create new laws then you cannot win.
I consider myself to be a socialist and I would advise anybody to go and buy a packet of seeds and grow something once a week rather than waste it on union subscriptions these days.

Joining a union is a must for a teacher.  Amongst the scarce true stories about techers abusing pupils, there are plenty of false ones.  If you are not in a union, you have to back yourself up.  Plus, the NUT is still a real union.

[Kea]

Well I'm in an area where the Tories haven't been beaten in recent history but our local town council election which was entirely Tory has now only 3 left with 2 Lib dems and 11 independants. Against the grain for the country certainly our electorate.

[Barnowl]

I think all politicians should be required to have or to have had a proper job so that at least part of their live have been spent in touch with reality and they are less scared of losing their seats because they have a trade to fall back on.

I think professional politicians are beginning to make estate agents look like honest men.

[Kea]

Estate agents, Politicians and solicitors all pretty much the same.

[Sinbad7]

What do you call a proper job Barnowl?

USDAW is not a really union but they take their monthly subs and then sell the workers down the river to a big company like Tesco, rather sad as no one is for the worker, not that I was in favour of what Scargill did but there should be a balance somewhere along the line.

Sinbad

[Gazfoz]

Teachers also can be very childish and I do honestly believe that a good dose of the School of hard knocks in the private sector would better prepare people for a life of security in the public sector.
I truly believe that they would then be more properly equipped to rise to the challenge of educating young people.
I know a couple of people who have trained to be a teacher in later life and they cannot believe what teachers find to whinge about.
I bet they are good at their job also.

[grawrc]

I think all politicians should be required to have or to have had a proper job so that at least part of their live have been spent in touch with reality and they are less scared of losing their seats because they have a trade to fall back on

I can't imagine why they would worry about losing their seat. With directorships in various companies and all the other links forged they are made for life unless they really screw up badly.

[valmarg]

Joining a union is a must for a teacher.  Amongst the scarce true stories about techers abusing pupils, there are plenty of false ones.  If you are not in a union, you have to back yourself up.  Plus, the NUT is still a real union.
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Whilst I accept there are false allegations made against teachers, and it must be horrendous for the individuals concerned.  To have their career, family, etc put through the mill.

Then I remember the revolting Mr Smith.  He was our teacher for our last year in junior school.  When you stood at his desk he had his hand up your skirt, stroking your bum, and if you objected you were made to feel you were in the wrong, and what he was doing was perfectly 'normal'.

valmarg

[redimp]

Well now.
Arthur stood up to the government and got his bloody arse kicked.
When governments continually move the goalposts and create new laws then you cannot win.
I consider myself to be a socialist and I would advise anybody to go and buy a packet of seeds and grow something once a week rather than waste it on union subscriptions these days.

Joining a union is a must for a teacher.  Amongst the scarce true stories about techers abusing pupils, there are plenty of false ones.  If you are not in a union, you have to back yourself up.  Plus, the NUT is still a real union.

Whilst I accept there are false allegations made against teachers, and it must be horrendous for the individuals concerned.  To have their career, family, etc put through the mill.

Then I remember the revolting Mr Smith.  He was our teacher for our last year in junior school.  When you stood at his desk he had his hand up your skirt, stroking your bum, and if you objected you were made to feel you were in the wrong, and what he was doing was perfectly 'normal'.

valmarg

And Mr Smith should have been fired and jailed for that - an obviously disgusting man and I am very sorry that you had to endure such vile abuse Valmarg.  Thankfully, these days, far rarer due to the hoops we have to jump through.  Granted, nothing is perfect and people who have not offended before will of course get through no bother but better than nothing.

Teachers also can be very childish and I do honestly believe that a good dose of the School of hard knocks in the private sector would better prepare people for a life of security in the public sector.
I truly believe that they would then be more properly equipped to rise to the challenge of educating young people.
I know a couple of people who have trained to be a teacher in later life and they cannot believe what teachers find to whinge about.
I bet they are good at their job also.

That is an offensive post that you are obviously not qualified to make - no matter how many 'friends' you claim to have. 

For your information, I came into teaching late (about 32 years old) and I have worked as a cleaner, a barman, in a factory, in a clothes shop, as a legal executive...I could go on.  Does that qualify me?  None of the above had the same stresses or the long hours.  If you are not qualified to comment - shut up!  That is one of the most childish posts I have read in a long time.

[betula]

Some teachers are excellent.Some teachers are terrible.We have all been to school and we all know that.

Every job has its own stress and aggro.

I know several people who have got out of teaching.Jim taught at a grammar school for a few years after uni and got out of teaching quick.
He would not go back for any money.He hated it.

[Gazfoz]

For your information, I came into teaching late (about 32 years old) and I have worked as a cleaner, a barman, in a factory, in a clothes shop, as a legal executive...I could go on.  Does that qualify me?  None of the above had the same stresses or the long hours.  If you are not qualified to comment - shut up!  That is one of the most childish posts I have read in a long time




See what I mean! ;D ;D

[valmarg]

And Mr Smith should have been fired and jailed for that - an obviously disgusting man and I am very sorry that you had to endure such vile abuse Valmarg.  Thankfully, these days, far rarer due to the hoops we have to jump through.  Granted, nothing is perfect and people who have not offended before will of course get through no bother but better than nothing.
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Redclanger, it was way back in the 1950s.  Nobody would have believed you, and you had no means of redress.

I think the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction.

valmarg

[redimp]

I think the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction.

valmarg

You are so right on that score.  We are so paranoid now that we have to keep a distance even when they are hurt or upset.  any contact at all can be construed the other way and lead to disciplinary action.  We are not even allowed to hold their hands.

[betula]

What a sad reflection on our society.How awful not to be able to comfort a child in distress.

I remember years ago the school telephoning me at work,requesting permission to cut chewing gum out of my daughters hair.I thought that was strange.

[valmarg]

One event that really brought home to me how 'paranoid' we have become, was when I was in a department store.  A little girl had been looking at some of the items, and I helped her with the things that were placed out of her reach.  We were laughing, and helping each other.  Then, all of a sudden her mother came and took her away, looking at me as if it was a pervert.

That was the first time, and you cannot imagine how hurtful it was to have been considered a pervert.

You have to be so careful these days.

It is so so sad that if you try to help a young child these days you are treated with suspicion.

valmarg

[valmarg]

To get back to the original title of this thread 'not looking good for gordon brown'.

Crewe and Nantwich have given him a bit of a bloody nose.

But he seriously thinks its the economy idiot, not me.  I'm the best bloke to get you out of this, despite the fact I got you into it ??? ??? ???

By abolishing the 10p tax rate he has managed to double OH's tax bill on a meagre £10,000 private pension.

As I have said before, when it comes to politicians 'there is small choice in rotten apples', but I think New Labour have just about run their course.

valmarg

[Gazfoz]

Yes I agree, they have stuffed their pockets so full of cash that now they don't want to govern anymore.
They want to retire and spend their ill gotten gains. I will never vote Labour again but they don't care about that because they now have enough money to be comfortable for the rest of their lives. So many people have been let down by these people.

[Mr Smith]

Can't wait to see the back of  them and not even a mention of Bambi Blair I'm afraid Gord is taking the rap guv but I must say one good thing about what Labour have done, yes they have done one good thing and that was the minimum wage, but I have a suggestion to bump the minimum wage up and that is when we hear the words 'Its not worth getting out of bed for'.Well, scrap all income support benefits and  move the pot of money onto the minimum wage, then the idle  the work shy will have to untangle themselves from the bedsheet and record Jeremy Kyle, they will be able to buy more fags more beer put more money on the lottery, just look at the extra revenue the country will receive ;)  ;D