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General => Pets Corner => Topic started by: BAGGY on May 27, 2005, 11:25:24
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I am so annoyed. Our horror has just bought in a dead bluetit. :'( We took him in at xmas from a friend as he was fighting her other cat. He is four and used to be an indoor only cat. He now goes out and to date this is the 3rd bird he's had. I've rescued 2 live ones (see previous post cat vs starling). Have I created a monster ? I feel really bad now that I let him out at all. Needless to say he is now locked in and sulking in the kitchen.
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Oh dear, Baggy :'(
Sounds like he's discovered the wildlife very quickly :(
Our cats are both indoor cats, although it's more because we've got a really busy road at the end of our street and have no intention of them coming a cropper on it.
I've got two budgies, which both cats ignore completely.
Oddly enough, when there are birds in the garden they both run to the window and go into that flat, hunting position so I've no idea what's going on there ???
My Mum has made life more difficult for her cat by putting about four big bells on his collar, so he can't make a move without making a lot of noise.
He still gets the odd slow bird, but it's reduced his 'kills' by quite a bit.
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He's got one bell already. I was thinking a ball and chain might slow him down. :o I would feel mean keeping him in from now on but I am in a real quandry as to what to do. I keep thinking of the Birdycam bluetits and how their 'owner' would feel. I really feel rotten and a bad cat owner :'( :'( :'(
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More bells maybe? Or you could invest in an ultrasonic birdscarer (attached to your house, not the cat, or maybe...). If its a specific place that hes getting the birds then you could plant some coleus canina to keep him away from there.
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unfortunately baggy it's something cats do and you have to live with it. a couple of years back when Merlin would have been about four then, he was really bad, he even got a thrush and it upset me no end. :'( but it's a natural instinct they have and short of keeping him in the house, you can't really stop it. he might not be as bad next year. just remember that a cat is the nearest thing to a wild animal that most people take into their home.
MM
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Mine's a Merlin too so perhaps it's to do with the name and he'll follow after your Merlypuss. If I ever crack this photo thingy I'll post a snap so you can all see the beast. Thanks for the advice. (still feel rotten though :'()
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Baggy you just need photobucket.com and save your photos in there. It took me a few tries but I got there in the end. Have a go as we'd love to see your Merlin :)
MM
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Oh Baggy so sorry to hear about the dead birds. Unfortunately, that is what cats do. They chase the birds and very often kill them. :'(
However, I still think you should let him out in the garden, it's not his fault he is a cat ::)
Of course, you could get him/her a mate to play with or one of those fancy toys. But cats get bored very quickly.
Good luck !
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Thanks guys. I would love to get another kitten for him to play with but he was taken out of his original home because was beating up the other cat there. Poor Jasper was older,larger andhad been there before him and they used to get on well. I couldn't bear to have to give a kitten away if Merlypuss kicked off again. Unless He is reaching that rebellious teenager age and wanted to show Jasper he wasn't a little kid. I Work with Merlins old mum and she says Jasper is no longer living in the shoe cupboard and his wounds have healed. (mental & psychological)
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Hi Baggy, I think you're right, not a good idea to get a kitten or another cat for that matter. I'm not going to say he'll be a lot better next year but mostly then do calm down as they get older. My previous cat, Chivers, over one summer would bring a goldfish home most weeks. Toby-dog and I would find it when I took him walkies last thing at night. I dreaded it as I was worried that whoevers pond he was getting them from might have a go at him. You don't know how some people might react. He was also a frequent catcher of birds.
MM
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hi Baggy,
Its so sad when your cat catches a bird but I don't think you should feel bad. Hunting is a cats natural instinct and if a cat enjoys going out then i think its unfair to keep them in. We had a cat who occasionally caught a bird/mouse but as he got older he seemed less bothered so maybe it is cos he's 'that' age and he'll grow out of it.
One of our german shepherds caught a bird by accident last year - he was 18 months old at the time and he's always chased birds but as he is very clumsy and big he's not very fast I never thought he would catch one. One morning last summer he jumped up as a young starling flew past him and somehow hit it with his paw!! The poor thing was killed instantly and Benji couldn't understand what had happened he just sat looking at the bird giving puppy yaps as if to say - go on fly, its your turn.. :'(. It was really sad and we felt awful that he'd killed it, the only good thing is that it was a complete fluke and its never happened again.
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(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/ajkcps/DSCN0027.jpg)
here he is - bird killer (hope it's not too big)
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He's beautiful, but a couple more big bells would probably help. LOL!
What a naughty boy :D
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There Baggy that wasn't so difficult was it? ;D
He is gorgeous and a grey like my Merlin, although a bit more butch looking.
Come on now you know you couldn't part with him and it will get better, really it will. And Think of it as natures way of ensuring the survival of the fittest.
MM
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Awwwww Baggy he is gorgeous !! I am sure he will grow up in time - right now, he is like a little teenager ::) :D
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Mine are like kids - prove me wrong all the time. After telling a recent visitor my cats are very nervous of starngers, so they wouldn't be seeing much of them, Cherry jumps up on her chair. Then after saying only this weeks that now they're 12 and 13 they don't bring in 'presents' any more (they haven't done so for 5 years at least) Holly - the 13 year old - brings me home a half dead mouse... ho hum.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/DawnSmith/DSC00246.jpg)
Holly looking cross after we'd 'had words"
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Baggy would you please give me your address?
* picks up bag large enough to fit Merlin in and dark clothing * ;) ;D
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hang on maz there's a queue you know ;D ;D
oh go on then, they would only get confused if I catnapped baggys merlin, they wouldn't know who I was talking to. ???
MM
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More bells maybe? Or you could invest in an ultrasonic birdscarer (attached to your house, not the cat, or maybe...). If its a specific place that hes getting the birds then you could plant some coleus canina to keep him away from there.
i am a pest control officer and these things dont work,they are a gimmick and a waste of time as they aint cheap
bells are the way ahead
good luck
;D :-\
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forgot
has he still got his bits
might help
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Nope he is minus his 'bits'. I think it's probbly his taste of freedom as he was indoors cat for nearly 4 years. Looking a previous posts I have liberated him at the terrible teenager time. Last night he was harassing frogs in the dark. Bad puss, bad,bad puss >:(
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well-no one loves wildlife more than me but i'm with mm on this-they are the nearest thing to a wild animal that we have in the house...and-i am a fraid my answer to people who criticise cats(BILL ODDIE PLEASE TAKE NOTE!!!!!!)is that there at least 4 birdies to a nest.....and i dont care how many millions of birds the twitchers say our cats kill-until there is no tweeting at all and one of our lot brings home an osprey or a great bustard then i refuse to beleive cats are detrimental to wildlife.
people are tho.......
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Baggy - have a look at http://www.rspb.org.uk/gardens/advice/cats/index.asp - there are several pages on subjects such as "are cats causing bird decline?" & advice for cat owners. I think it is quite reassuring.
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thanks for that kitty and I'm with you 100%.
I also believe that cats are far more likely to catch and kill weaker and even sickly birds. surely it's all part of natures plan and the survival of the fittest.
MM
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Yeah humans are worse!
Neighbour chucks stones at squirrel fro nicking his nuts from tree and another person I know, BBQ`s them(gross)
Little bugger digs out our troughs and plants but they are still cute.
Send your puss to our plot to get the nasty pigeons!!!
They keep murdering our veg! :-\
saw a sad really skinny fox the other day in car park, looked very sad. We have probably built houses on his envoironment....
green belt= houses eventually
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i'm all for gassing politicians.
first you block up the holes in the houses of parliament.....
i think THE most ludicrous thing i've heard is the theory that badgers give cows tuberculosis.
show me the proof...
lies..d**n lies... and statistics :(
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Yeah humans are worse!
I second that, you only have to look at what we do to each other.
Yes Wardy, it doesn't seem to matter to most what they destroy, just as long as they're OK.
And I'm with you a 100% kitty, and I wouldn't be at all surprised it Wardy and AndyH wont want to lend a hand to gas the politicians. they seem to have totally lost sight of what the people want.
and as for badgers giving cows tuberculosis, there are those who think it's far more likely that farmers are moving infected cows around.
MM
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and I thought you lot were meant to be cat lovers!?!?
how would you feel if someone tied a bell to your head? tinnitus for cats I always think. ;D
if you read desmond morris on catwatching he makes some really interesting points about why they do it and how you can attempt animal psychology on them. supposedly they are doing it to be kind because you need training in how to kill like their mother did for them. advice is to say thank you and bin it when they have gone, if you shout and take it away they think you are being a bit dim and try again later.
the other suggestion I read was to encourage more birds as they have a better chance when they all watch out for each other.
water pistols was terry pratchetts suggestion - cat doesnt associate it with you and wanders how the bird did it. visions of people hiding in the bushes now ;D
hasn't made the least difference to mine if I am honest though so I maybe I should reconsider the bells position.....
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"Gifts" our two horrors brought in today: one bird's skull (yuc), a huge live, hopping mad frog (which we eventually managed to rescue), a white butterfly (that got what it deserved) and a daddy long legs that Tig ate in front of me. Thankfully no live birds.
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i love wildlfe as much as the next personbut i am totally against belling cats-as hex said-i bet its a real treat for such sensitive ears to have something clanging away in your ear'ole all day-as for bill oddies assertion that they 'eat all the birds'i bet the thrush etc population has been done no good at all by wrecking the food chain due to pesticides,unnecessary building on green and brown sites,grubbing up hedges -and i dont think cats are in charge of building,farming,chemical industries.
who is?
o ye-e-es......
human beings...... ::)
animals..insects.....etc have as much chance to escape as cats have of catching them......and no-one complains when they kill a rat..
i'm all for the waterpistol approach-especially when used o bill oddie....
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oh kitty I want more than a little ol' water pistol to use on mr oddie. :(
even the rspb don't wholeheartedly agree with him and somehow I feel then know a tad more about birds than he does. :)
MM
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;D ;D ;D
mornin mm!
off to 'work' now
ttyl ;D