Would love to see what you get next year from your saved seed. Good luck.
Absolute Zero x Golden Sweet cross done this afternoon. I was going to repollinate the first bud today but none of the Sugar Ann flowers were at the right stage for pollen, unfortunately. Oh well, I'm planning to do several of each cross anyway.
I think I can do Golden Sweet x Purple Podded tomorrow morning, the flowers look right. This is exciting!
Is 'mother x father' the convention for describing a cross?
Galina, have you tried crossing Elisabeth with Salmon Flowered?
Tachyon has 5 genes that mess around with the normal foliage structure.
af converts leaflets to tendrils.
apu converts pulvini (thickened sections at bottom of the leaf stem) into petiolules (leaf stems). I think this has the effect of basically lengthening the leaf stem, I'm certainly seeing long petiolules with Tachyon.
sil makes leaflets and stipules (the leaves directly attached to the main stem, where the axial colour is) sinuate, i.e. have wavy edges.
uni-tac increases the number of leaflets and tendrils.
tl converts tendrils to leaflets.
All are recessive. Now I don't begin to understand exactly how all these genes work together, but I suspect that the Tachyon plant I have with fewer bigger leaves is missing uni-tac.
I can't decide yet whether I like the effect of these mutations or am weirded out by them. Tachyon's definitely different, and it's looking like I'll have a pink-flowered one as well as a white-flowered one.
One good thing about it - there's almost no slug damage at all. The plants seem very firm with no soft leaves, and I guess the other peas around them are much easier for slimy gits to munch on.
Silverleaf, you have some very beautiful pea flowers; thanks for sharing.
Do you cross them just for yourself or will you market some of them? Golden Sweet, Purple Podded and Elisabeth are my favourites from your selection of photos and I look forward to seeing photos of the others when the buds have opened.
Looks like Tachyon has quite a number of different varieties in it. I like the larger leafed type. Just because it is so outrageous! Fewer slugs is a bonus too especially this year! Now which type is less attractive to pigeons? :BangHead:
Beautiful flowers! I love the salmon and pale blue.
Are you coming to the A4A get-together at Walsall Allotments next month? I would love to hear more about your pea experimental crosses.
Beautiful flowers! I love the salmon and pale blue.
Are you coming to the A4A get-together at Walsall Allotments next month? I would love to hear more about your pea experimental crosses.
Hmm. I don't know anything about the get-together. Unfortunately I don't think I can spare the money to get public transport down there (and I don't drive). Shame, because it's only maybe an hour's drive from Chesterfield. :(
Well here's a new flower colour for you!
Well here's a new flower colour for you!
Wonder what it will look like today. Very elegant. How would you describe the colour - ivory?
Beautiful flowers! I love the salmon and pale blue.
Are you coming to the A4A get-together at Walsall Allotments next month? I would love to hear more about your pea experimental crosses.
Hmm. I don't know anything about the get-together. Unfortunately I don't think I can spare the money to get public transport down there (and I don't drive). Shame, because it's only maybe an hour's drive from Chesterfield. :(
Details of the get-together is here: http://www.allotments4all.co.uk/smf/index.php/topic,77616.20.html
We had a lovely time last year. We all provided something for the lunch table while Betty, Shirl and an allotment friend kindly provided teas, coffee and cold drinks. If you wanted to come, maybe someone from the Chesterfield area could give you a lift.
I love the purple flowers of “Carouby de Maussane”, also their huge sweet flat pods that I have been picking, but I guess these are not part of your esoteric experiments?
I love the purple flowers of “Carouby de Maussane”, also their huge sweet flat pods that I have been picking, but I guess these are not part of your esoteric experiments?
Afraid not, I don't have that one!
What I'm growing this year: Telephone, Golden Sweet, Salmon Flowered, Elisabeth, Sugar Ann, Sugar Bon, Jeyes, Waverex, and some experimental material (12 varieties from the USDA and JIC which have number codes, so I've nicknamed them after characters in my favourite board game - Absolute Zero, Bunker, Fanatic, Haka, Legacy, Ra, Scholar, Tachyon, Tempest, Unity, Visionary and Wraith). I'm going to add another experimental pea too, but I haven't decided on a name for it just yet.
Sorry about the Legacy problem. These experimental lines you have been able to get from the seedbank are not very uniform, are they? At least you got another variety with the same flower colours.
Galina, have you tried crossing Elisabeth with Salmon Flowered?
Did you cross Salmon Flowered with Elisabeth, and then cross the resulting F1 with Sugar Magnolia?
Or did you do Elisabeth x Sugar Magnolia first, and then cross that with Salmon Flowered?
Did you cross Salmon Flowered with Elisabeth, and then cross the resulting F1 with Sugar Magnolia?
Or did you do Elisabeth x Sugar Magnolia first, and then cross that with Salmon Flowered?
I already had the F1 cross Elisabeth x Sugar Magnolia which I'd made previously. Last year I used pollen from this cross to make a further cross using Salmon Flowered as the female.
I'm fairly sure I have the cross Elisabeth x Salmon Flowered but I'm not sure if I've sown it or not, I'll have a look when I get the chance.
Oooh very pretty indeed. If you have any seeds available for those any time, I'd be very interested :happy7:
Hmm, I don't know, to be honest, without doing a test cross. It's lovely though!
JIC says that b combined with cr makes "antique rose".
JIC says that b combined with cr makes "antique rose".
Need a colour chart that defines all these different pinks. :wave: It's not straightforward is it?
Visionary is stunning.
I have to say when I spotted the flowers this morning I was absolutely amazed. I saved a picture from the GRIN website so I knew what to expect - that pic shows a bluish-violet flower which is definitely darker than the standard maroon purple, but nothing like this. This is seriously blue-purple, like a dark royal purple!
I didn't expect that out of a pea. Amazing.
Sure, I can do some extra crosses for you.:)
Most of my experimental peas were from the Germplasm Resources Information Network (http://www.ars-grin.gov/index.html) in the US. They distribute seeds for research purposes (but not to ordinary home gardeners) and I just had to fill in an online form telling them what the purpose of my research is and they sent me little 4/5-seed samples of the ones I was interested in. Apparently I have to share the results of my research with them too.
Most of my experimental peas were from the Germplasm Resources Information Network (http://www.ars-grin.gov/index.html) in the US. They distribute seeds for research purposes (but not to ordinary home gardeners) and I just had to fill in an online form telling them what the purpose of my research is and they sent me little 4/5-seed samples of the ones I was interested in. Apparently I have to share the results of my research with them too.
What's the research? How did you persuade them to part with seed?
Just going off at a tangent... my red flowered French beans are coming true again (year 3) ... :wave:
To be fair they are at the purple end of red, but red none the less. I'll post some pics when I am happy they are settled down..
:wave:
Oooh very pretty indeed. If you have any seeds available for those any time, I'd be very interested :happy7:
Well I only started with a few seeds - 3 plants are growing outside and I have hopefully 4 more germinating, so with any luck I'll have a few to spare once they've grown out. Course you can have some!
To be fair they are at the purple end of red, but red none the less. I'll post some pics when I am happy they are settled down..
:wave:
Okay, well I'm still excited, and looking forward to seeing pics. :)
In other legume-related news, I'm harvesting peas seeds for saving. The numbers aren't amazing because it's been really dry and they're in pots rather than a bed, but I think things are going according to plan for next year.
Oooh very pretty indeed. If you have any seeds available for those any time, I'd be very interested :happy7:
Well I only started with a few seeds - 3 plants are growing outside and I have hopefully 4 more germinating, so with any luck I'll have a few to spare once they've grown out. Course you can have some!
Oooh goodie :blob7:
And if you do have just a couple Visionary too, they are soooo pretty. I'd be delighted to be able to add them to the Crowns in the future, (no worries if you've none spare :happy7:, I know they are in short supply)
Do you have any that have a pale green-yellow coloured flower?
I am glad you are getting seeds too. On short peas that can be a real problem. Mice can reach them easily and birds are also partial to opening a few maturing pea pods. I have just harvested the pods from my F1s at the well leathery stage and finish drying indoors because I really don't want to lose any. :wave:
So, who wants to guess what this flower is? Looks like a tiny little pea flower, right?
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5487/14614418215_09f44a644c.jpg)
It is a legume, and edible. Does that help?
It is a legume, and edible. Does that help?
Lentil ?
Presumably there is little chance that there could be a wide interspecies cross with peas and lentils. But has anybody actually ever tried?
What makes me think you could have already tried to cross them? :tongue3:
Thank you for showing us.
Never seen lentils in flower either, just guessed because the flowers looked so small and your hint was helpful!
:wave:
It looks like one of the vetches.
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2910/14766848493_e7f1b767d3.jpg)
Lentil pods, with a couple of greenfly for scale. ;)
There seems to be 2 lentils per pod, with about 5-6 pods on this plant. I think I have maybe 6 plants. Certainly not enough to eat!
Interesting!
The leaves look like chickpeas. I grew a handful of them a few years ago, but I don't remember what the flowers looked like.
What a phenomenal experiment Silverleaf. Maybe that is something I would like to do if I had more time up my sleeve. I already spend a few hours most days in my garden just to produce so I don't have to shop for any fruit or vegies. Been successful for about 5 years now.
In fact I didn't know there were that many varieties of peas around.
Maybe you need to get your moderator to update the system so photos don't get lost. I have all my garden history on Earthgarden and there doesn't seem to be any problem there once the post is done with photos.
Expatriette looks lovely. Have just found the photo of these flowers. They look very different both in shape and in colour from normal pea flowers:
http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/dispimage.pl?187090
There genotype narrative is here: Genotype: A Af/- Bt Cri/- Dw fa "FFs"/- i k le r Sil/- Tl/- wlo
Don't know what most of these mean :BangHead: :blob7:
Over the pasty 9 months I have made 10 wicking beds, which are basically raised beds, from recycled roofing iron for the sides and ends and pallet timber (4X2) for the corners. They range in size from about 700-1200mm wide and 2-6 metres long.
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Over the pasty 9 months I have made 10 wicking beds, which are basically raised beds, from recycled roofing iron for the sides and ends and pallet timber (4X2) for the corners. They range in size from about 700-1200mm wide and 2-6 metres long.That sounds wonderful. How did you manage to get them for free? Everything I can find locally is much more expensive than wood, even reclaimed stuff.
I have four Expatriette seeds. With any luck I'll have some to share later in the year, and you're most welcome to them!
I have four Expatriette seeds. With any luck I'll have some to share later in the year, and you're most welcome to them!
Thank you very much. Could I possibly have Visionary instead? Or Unity with the cr gene? These two are top on my wish list when you have plenty of seeds or seeds from the crosses with Telephone. :wave:
Seeing it is hard to eat colour or the flower colour has long gone when you get to the peas, how about breeding for more peas in the pod. I have tried to select for 10 peas rather than the regular 8 but always seem to get some of both in following generations.
Seeing it is hard to eat colour or the flower colour has long gone when you get to the peas, how about breeding for more peas in the pod. I have tried to select for 10 peas rather than the regular 8 but always seem to get some of both in following generations.
I beg to differ on flower colours. Peas are such decorative flowering garden plants that (together with beans) they really add beauty to a garden. Looking at all possible flower colours and all possible pod colours is such a novel idea. Likewise looking at other features like modified tendrils and the strangest of all, the Crown Peas. Jayb has shown us pictures of her Crown peas that are just so beautiful. Maybe it is a 'girl thing', but the combination of good utility with beauty in the growing space, is very appealing indeed. :wave: