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Allotment Stuff => Allotment Movement => Topic started by: Squash64 on May 07, 2013, 07:05:05
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We had our AGM on Sunday - all 11 members of the committee were there..............
plus 8 plot holders. 6 people sent apologies.
There are about 130 people on our site, many of them were working on their
plots while the meeting was going on.
Notices about the AGM had been up around the site for over a month.
I suppose people think that if everything is going well there is nothing
they can contribute to the meeting so they don't think it's necessary to go.
On the other hand, the regular moaners see it as their opportunity to
criticize and they can't wait to share their negative views with a captive
audience.
One of them wants us to install electric hand dryers in the outside toilets
He says that we should give less money to charity and spend it on ourselves.
He has never helped us to raise a penny, for us or for charity.
Another objected to the covered area outside the pavilion because "it gets too
hot" (there are opening windows and two doors) and we wasted the money
on it.
Our Treasurer is now looking into the cost of installing the hand dryers because
one person asked for them.
I strongly object to using our hard-earned funds for this and if it is decided to
go ahead I won't help with raising money for the association in the future.
I'm beginning to wonder why I'm on the committee......
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Like you say Betty. When everything is going ok as far as they are concerned then they think that things should be left as they are. Same committee carrying on just as they are.
If the place was full then you know that the plot holders aren't satisfied and want change.
Two people criticised what the committee had done and what they should do. That's two out of 130 plotholders.
These two people do not appreciate all of the hard work that you do for them and the other plot holders. They just wanted to upset the meeting.
I for one and I know the committee members I have spoken to do not agree with having hand dryers in the toilet. So it looks like you will be staying as Secretary of Walsall Rd Allotments.
You have helped Tony and myself so much and I know that you have done the same for others.
Without you at the helm the allotment site would go to the dogs.
No-one put their name forward for an officers position on the committee. That says it all.
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It's same on most sites Betty, except few have as much going for them as yours have!! Lucky b******s, it's wonderful.
You do a great job, rest of the committee too. I would be frustrated at such a poor turnout, we usually do quite well at ours even though this year it was nearly a mile from the site.
However the frustrations are still there. Mr PKL tells me that if you do anything with people that is what happens. Sadly he's right, its so easy to moan. I call them "goodwill sponges" as they soak up all your finer feelings. But hey......we get over it and then come back for more!!!
x Anne
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One of them wants us to install electric hand dryers in the outside toilets
He says that we should give less money to charity and spend it on ourselves.
He has never helped us to raise a penny, for us or for charity.
Another objected to the covered area outside the pavilion because "it gets too
hot" (there are opening windows and two doors) and we wasted the money
on it.
Low turnout - yep they are happy!
2 out of 130? Hardly a majority then. Look at the cost by all means, but wait for a bit more support for that scheme. For example, it would only be fair, if the person who wanted the hand dryer actually came to the meeting with solid support from a good quantity of plot holders. As long as they make the request on their own behalf, it isn't representative of all the allotment holders. If that one person is really bothered, they can bring their own towel. I would not take it on, unless it has good backing from a bigger group. That you do take individual moans and requests on board, Squash, speaks volumes about the kind hearted and hard working secretary you are.
In this case, note it, thank them for the suggestion, and ignore it until many want it.
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Its the same old same old 80:20 story... 20% do anything and the rest dont bother but shout the odds when thy want something.. Every committee is the same and believe me i've been on plenty.
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Blldy hll, I wash my hands in the water tank, can be cold in winter and wipe them down my trousers. A towel or soft toilet paper will do. I would get so annoyed about that, half the fun of an allotment is getting dirty, then going home to a shower or bath. I expect they will be asking for hand cream next. Forget it and get on with doing your good work for charity, there are some strange people about. :sunny: :sunny: :sunny:
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My sympathies but that is typical of many groups and societies nowadays.
It was my horticultural society AGM a couple of weeks ago. There were 20 people present, including the committee, out of over 200 members.
I think that it was the quickest one on record taking well less than a hour.
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You do a bloody good job there girl, :angel11: so ignore a couple of moaning old feckers, price it up by all means and tell them the rent will proberly go up to pay for it and vote on it. As for the other one ask them if they would like air conditioning as the electricians will be on site putting in a super dooper hand dryer, but Borlotti's right ( for once) get some big pots of E45 in case their hands crack under the hand dryer. Cheeky feckers. :BangHead: :BangHead: :wave:
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Hello Betty,
You should be very proud of what you do there.
The plot holders should be very grateful for all the work you do and the facilities they have.
All the best,
Martin.
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Honey, you are there because you are a good worker and a good person which makes you tip in and do your bit of course.Sadly this also means you are on the firing line for the miseries of this world, but things can;t run at all without folks like you who bare their soul almost for the betterment of others.
Is there any way you could get worked into your system that folks have to go to an AGM, we have that in our rules and it works a treat.
Good luck, don't lose sight of the fact that you are doing a wonderful job, and to heck with the miseries, they have small little pea brains and couldn't open a paper bag without the good people of this world, like you, holding their hands.
You are very much appreciated by the folks that matter...
XX Jeannine
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Thanks so much for all the lovely supportive replies. It's good to have a place where
people understand what it's like.
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Thinking of what Jeannine was saying, is it possible for people to pay there rents and have an AGM on the same day, therefore everyones there for both reasons, just a thought. :wave:
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Thinking of what Jeannine was saying, is it possible for people to pay there rents and have an AGM on the same day, therefore everyones there for both reasons, just a thought. :wave:
That's what we do, and get good response. The ones that do not come then we then have to try and get to cough up!! (Then it's my fault for not being there whenever they turn up!)
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Thinking of what Jeannine was saying, is it possible for people to pay there rents and have an AGM on the same day, therefore everyones there for both reasons, just a thought. :wave:
It's a good idea Kev and worth thinking about, thanks.
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Thinking of what Jeannine was saying, is it possible for people to pay there rents and have an AGM on the same day, therefore everyones there for both reasons, just a thought. :wave:
We do this although we do collect by bank transfer.. We get a decent turnout most years even if some just come for the moan.
Some people think that the sites run themselves or that we have some hidden pot of unending money.
The problem is that issues on site and at AGM are normally caused by one or two percent of the members and that colours the way we think. Just think of all the people that didn't moan or make dumb requests Betty - they are the ones to remember.
I once had someone come up and thank me after an AGM - I was gobsmacked - never happened again though!!
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We put on a BBQ after the AGM and trebled the attendance...funny that!
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BBQ, jugglers, the local choir, you could put all sorts on, I'll even come down and do a bit of stand up, for a fee of course. :blob7: :icon_cheers: :wave:
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Doubt we could afford you Kev!
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I've been quoted £800 for hand dryers in the two toilets at church. I'm exploring the possibility of cheaper options, but I'm not sure we'll get it down very far.
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We had a quote for installing hand dryers in both outside toilets.
It would involve digging up the car park to put heavy duty cable
and the cost came to almost £2000.
The committee voted unanimously against it.
Common sense prevailed.
I've put up a notice in the toilets saying that if people are
not happy with the towels which we provide they might consider
bringing their own.
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You are on the committee so that helpful notes like that can be installed in lieu of stupid ideas like that. :blob7: :blob7: :blob7:
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Want to think theirselves lucky that they have such wonderful facilities. I'm not a where of any such things on any of the 28 sites in Swindon. If it wasn't for S.A.L.G.A we wouldn't even have an allotment shop. Its the old, old story. the more you do, the more you can. Its just a shame that those who do appreciate what you do don't say so more often. Having been to your site I no what a great job you and the committee have done.
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Lets hope they have no more silly ideas, it looks like they've thrown the Towel in on this one. :tongue3:
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I think all sites have the same problems with allotment associations ....most people don't turn up to agm's then the committee is left to try and make decisions often with the only input from "the really vocal one's with the really stupid ideas!" ......one our members asked for a litter bin in the car park so he had somewhere to put his rubbish from his lunch :dontknow:
Then you get the ones who don't come and voice their opinions to the committee but go around whinging to everyone else.
:BangHead:
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It's a bit like real life- or a soap opera!
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Lets hope they have no more silly ideas, it looks like they've thrown the Towel in on this one. :tongue3:
:toothy10: :toothy10: :toothy10:
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I think all sites have the same problems with allotment associations ....most people don't turn up to agm's then the committee is left to try and make decisions often with the only input from "the really vocal one's with the really stupid ideas!" ......one our members asked for a litter bin in the car park so he had somewhere to put his rubbish from his lunch :dontknow:
Then you get the ones who don't come and voice their opinions to the committee but go around whinging to everyone else.
:BangHead:
Kea, this sounds exactly like ours!
I've had a 'conversation' today with Mr Hand Dryer who told me that there is no
discipline on the site these days. It's not like The Good Old Days when he was on the
committee. Mind you, I've heard about the Good Old Days from someone who was
there at the time and he said the committee used to be known as the Mafia!
He is also moaning that we spent money on making the extension outside the
pavilion without asking everyone first. I told him that the minutes of every committee
meeting are displayed on the notice board for anyone to read. If he had objected
when it was suggested we would have considered his objection and voted on
it as we did with the hand dryer.
I told him that if he wanted to be part of the decision-making he should join the
committee. He said that he knew what would happen if he did and I told him he
was right, I would leave! (Maybe that is the answer, put the site back in the
hands of the Mafia)
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We no longer have a site rep. I saw him when I was shopping & he told he had finished as he is ill & who had taken over. Sadly the person he told me wasn't aware of either fact. The treasurer came up to show someone their new plot & was told that people needed sorting out as there were a few plots that were not being looked after. His response was that they have paid their dues so nothing could be done. When OH was ill last year I kept people informed & was told by the site rep that we would be thrown off if it wasn't looked after. Oh to have someone like you Betty on our committee :icon_cheers:.
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For us we pay at the AGM, we had a good turnout, voted on a couple of issues, had a pint and everyone one was happy.
The treasurer came up to show someone their new plot & was told that people needed sorting out as there were a few plots that were not being looked after. His response was that they have paid their dues so nothing could be done.
On our site if you don't attend your plot for I think 6 months your out.
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Thinking of what Jeannine was saying, is it possible for people to pay there rents and have an AGM on the same day, therefore everyones there for both reasons, just a thought. :wave:
That is what we do and it also turns into a social event with a bring food and wine/beer.
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The trouble with turning up for AGMs is not a lack of interest or appreciation but possibly a dread that you might get press ganged onto the committee.
In general I think committees do a brilliant job and Squash I think you do an more brilliant job than most, I wish I had a plot at your site.
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Just had a great idea about the hand blow drier: suggest that the proposer researches the costs and finds a source of funding. I am sure they will soon decide to do without.
Or perhaps a hole in the side of the toilet wall so you can put your hands out and let the wind dry them off. :toothy1: :toothy10:
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:toothy10: Or wave their arms around thier head until dry..Betty did you keep a straight face with this one?
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Or just recycle the hot air from the cack that comes out of their mouths. :icon_cheers:
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Betty this thread was serious to start off with but I hope everyone has put it in perspective for you now! and given you a laugh...... or larrrff!
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Betty this thread was serious to start off with but I hope everyone has put it in perspective for you now! and given you a laugh...... or larrrff!
Yes I have had a larrrff about it!
:toothy10:
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We had a site day last week and it generally restores my faith in humanity and the point of being on the committee.
For some reason I get to organise site day which involves lots of scaffold poles and planks (we are on a slope!), tennis balls, paint, sledgehammers, the odd beer and a decent work ethic.
It is rewarding to see 82 year young Ron giving it the full wellie with the 14lb hammer!
Of course the usual crowd turn up and the rest never do but we always have a laugh and it's rewarding to see everyone working together for the wider community.
If anyone is interested there are a few pics here... (http://www.barriedaleallotments.org.uk)
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If anyone is interested there are a few pics here... http://www.barriedaleallotments.org.uk/]few pics here[/url]...
If I click on your link I go back to A4A home page, am I doing something wrong?
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No it's just me being dense (and I do IT for a living!!!) - Link fixed..
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Lol, I tried it several times because I thought it must be me!!!
Excellent photos, looks both an enjoyable and productive work party!
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That's an impressive way of organizing the day, and great web site -even if "temporary". One day I'll get round to doing one.......