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Allotment Stuff => Allotment Movement => Topic started by: nodig on March 19, 2011, 09:48:58
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I am a site supervisor of a self-managed allotment and want to get someone I don't like off 'my' allotments.
My plan is to make up a lot of small issues against him at committee meetings, so as to build up the impression that he is a problem tenant.
After a couple of years I hope to find something real against him, and use this to attempt to get him evicted. (I expect the committee will take account of all the previous issues that I have invented against the plot holder).
My question is if the eviction is successful (based on the one real issue), will the plot holder be able to demand I provide evidence of all my previous invented issues (they will be on the minutes) if he takes it to civil court?
Nodig
ps Not a site supervisor
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Is it half term or something?
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Unwashed please see:
http://www.allotments4all.co.uk/smf/index.php/topic,64248.200.html
Regards
Bluecar
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I am a site supervisor of a self-managed allotment and want to get someone I don't like off 'my' allotments.
My plan is to make up a lot of small issues against him at committee meetings, so as to build up the impression that he is a problem tenant.
After a couple of years I hope to find something real against him, and use this to attempt to get him evicted. (I expect the committee will take account of all the previous issues that I have invented against the plot holder).
My question is if the eviction is successful (based on the one real issue), will the plot holder be able to demand I provide evidence of all my previous invented issues (they will be on the minutes) if he takes it to civil court?
Nodig
ps Not a site supervisor
That sort of approach might work with a rubber-stamp committee, but not with one that was doing its job. The victim could use the record to argue a history of harassment and discredit you. This is essentially what I did when I was having trouble some years ago. My problem neighbours went round my plot making a shopping list of everything they fancied - much of this walked later - then went to the police and alleged that I'd stolen it all off their plot. I put a stop to it by pointing out that the previous year they'd tried accusing me of taking money from the petty cash tin. I don't know whether anything was genuinely taken or not, but there were a dozen people with keys, so why me?
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This thread is a wind-up, isn't it?
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Nodig I am very shocked & saddened at your suggestion of making up lies about someone just because you dont like them! If there are genuine reasons for the person being evicted then fair enough but to make things up is very very wrong
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Is it half term or something?
;D ;D
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Is it half term or something?
;D ;D
And who would write something like this as their first post?
???
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While we are at it perhaps we should a have a seperate section for members who have been evicted from their plots, after all they are not really allotmenteers anymore are they.
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And who would write something like this as their first post?
I can probably guess who this is, shall I give out names etc, Jerry?
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[I can probably guess who this is, shall I give out names etc, Jerry?
No. If you do, it will be removed whether you're right or not. It's up tio the OP whether he/she discloses his/her personal information.
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It must be the bluddy sun ;D. Mind you was it a full moon last night? ;D
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It must be the bluddy sun ;D. Mind you was it a full moon last night? ;D
that's tonight, Shirl !!
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And there was me makin me excuses about me daft behaviour last night. Never mind as long as ower Tone don't find out that its tonite.
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I am allotment supervisor on our site and there are a couple of people who can be a pain in the ass at times but they still toe the line when approached - in the right manner, pointing out the 'error of their ways' against the rules and regulations. What you are doing sounds more like a witch hunt and you could end up being the one who gets kicked off your plot if you go down this route. Unless you do the same for all plotholders then the other party would have grounds for victimisation.
Sounds to me like you are not / would not be a suitable site supervisor if this is your approach when something does not suit or goes wrong.
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That plot holder I was telling you about has gone and made a scarecrow out of old rubber boots, straw, mop head, tatty brown shirt and trousers, held together with bits of string.
Some people have said it bears a resemblance to me.
Well if he is having a joke I'll teach him, I'll report back to the committee tomorrow that he is dumping household waste on his allotment.
Nodig
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I forgot to mention that I left a message on his answerphone telling him I am taking it to the committee (the dumped household rubbish), just to make him sweat a little.
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just checked the date its not April 1st yet ::)
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just checked the date its not April 1st yet ::)
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No, and I don't think it's half-term either. Must be the sun or moon as Shirl says.
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My scarecrow is my avator- the head is made from butternut squash.
What does that say about me! ;D ;D ;D
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I reckon they are on about Bettys scarecrow that is sitting by the entrance to the allotment. The description fits ;D
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It isnt right to do this to a person just because
there face doesnt fit,let people enjoy the allotment.
It sounds like to me there is SOUR GRAPES
Twins59..
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Nodig..if you get upset about scarecrow..that might even look bit like you..I think you need to find a some sence of humour and grow bit thicker skin.
The stuff people of say about me on our lotties I take it as a bit of laugh..and take mickey out of them in equal way and nobody gets upset about it...nor I even think of trying to get rid of them..
Now if somebody is being pure 'pregnant dog' that maybe a different matter, but it still doesn't give a ground for eviction.
Maybe being site supervisor is not quite right 'job' for you... :-\
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::)
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;D I noticed the auto correct has changed one of the words into "bregnant dog" ;D ;D..sorry for using such a word.. :-X
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Nodig I dont understand why you would be so viscious to someone who is just trying to grow some veg!
A scarecrow is definitely not household waste. If your posts are a wind up I think you should stop because if I had seen posts like yours when I first found the A4A site it really would have put me off.
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They are biting well today. Just a few ideas to throw at your 'committee'. If the bloke you don't like is growing brassicas, carrots, spuds and tomatoes. Snitch on him and tell the 'committee' that he is attracting carrot fly, cabbage white butterflys and blight onto the site. Also if he is growing egyptian onions, they could be collaborating to take over the site.
If it is a proper 'committee' you are complaining to, they should come up with some new rules, like growing all the afforementioned veggies out of season so the pests will not affect your crops and banning the bloke from the allotments if there is an R in the month.
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Nodig cant you get back to growing your veg,there is much too much too much to do at this time of year than wasting our time and potentially putting newbies off the whole allotment game,stop winding us up and get a life,there,someone had to say it
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We need Great Big Billy-Goat Gruff to sort this thread out.
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They are biting well today. Just a few ideas to throw at your 'committee'. If the bloke you don't like is growing brassicas, carrots, spuds and tomatoes. Snitch on him and tell the 'committee' that he is attracting carrot fly, cabbage white butterflys and blight onto the site. Also if he is growing egyptian onions, they could be collaborating to take over the site.
If it is a proper 'committee' you are complaining to, they should come up with some new rules, like growing all the afforementioned veggies out of season so the pests will not affect your crops and banning the bloke from the allotments if there is an R in the month.
I once mocked up a tenancy agreement for one of our members to sign. It included rules such as
anyone over 60 had to undergo a fitness test every 3 months to include throwing bags of compost over a 5 ft hedge and timed double digging.
No brassica to be grown.
No heating of greenhouses
No whistling or singing.
I let him sign it before pointing out the 'new' rules he'd agreed to ;D
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I have just got back from the management committee meeting.
When it came to site business, I mentioned that I had a plot holder who had dumped household rubbish on his allotment. The chairman did his part, and waved a letter around saying that he had received a rather silly letter from a plot holder about scarecrows, and asked if any member was bothered to read it, no one replied of course.
He then produced a photo of a scarecrow sent in by the same plot holder, and all the committee members laughed, and a couple said it looked remarkably like me.
The chairman then moved on with the next business.
I didn't mind the laughter being at my expense, after all I got what I wanted out of the meeting. On the minutes it was recorded that the plot holder had dumped household rubbish on his allotment...no mention whatsoever of a scarecrow.
I am not too bothered about the scarecrow at the moment, but I will make him remove it at some point, and when he does I will bring it to the committees attention that the plot holder has removed the household rubbish (which will also look good in the minutes).
Oh how tough it is being vigilant.
Nodig
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sounds like a case for the European Court of Human Rights. Right up their street you ask me
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How can u make someone remove a scarecrow because it looks like u, ??? Betty made one and showed it on here and for some strange reason peeps on here started calling it Kev, :'(should I start procedings to get Betty barred. ;D ;D ;D It's deffo not April the 1st I just looked. :P
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I thought this thread was a spoof. Are we loosing our sense of humour?
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Just make a rule that any time a plotholder comes within ten yards of you, they have to leap to attention, elevate their right arm, click their heels and shout 'Heil Whateveryournameis!' Then you can evict all the resisters for noncompliance.
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timed double digging and compost tossing - love it! New games to make the AGM more interesting ;D ;D
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if the scarecrow on the next plot looks like you, isn't that Nature's Way of telling you it's about time you Smartened Yourself Up? I'd think so anyway.
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I forgot to mention that I reported (and got minuted) that the plot holder with the scarecrow had a bonfire with lots of smoke. I didn't lie (well i did a bit because it was pitch dark), I just didn't mention that it was on bonfire night and there were lots of others having bonfires on the site.
You can all see now why it is important to keep reports to committee meetings as brief as possible, including not putting dates and times to events.
Nodig
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The time to worry is when people say this one looks like you....
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Nah Betty. That ones ower Kev. O'ive had me picture taken with him. ;D
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Almost got it right Squash64 but my OH wears a wooley hat stuck on the top of his head with nothing in the top of it.
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Who do he think he is? That plotholder with the scarecrow walked right past my allotment today, and even glanced over as he walked by. Then my mate from further down the allotment came running over and told me he had done the same to him. Well I'm not having that sort of thing going on down my allotments.
I scribbled a note onto a piece of paper and then fixed it in the official notice board on the site gate. This is what I wrote....
MR SMITH PLOT X HAS NO AUTHORITY TO INSPECT OR PHOTOGRAPH OTHER PEOPLE ALLOTMENTS SIGNED SITE SUPERVISOR NODIG
I thought the photographing bit was a nice touch (remember the photo he sent of of his scarecrow, well it did show another allotment in the background.(see it is not a lie). That should turn a few more plot holders against him and get him riled.
I must admit I did worry a little bit afterwards (after all walking around the allotment isn't exactly inspecting allotments). I talked this over with a fellow site supervisor from a nearby allotment site. He reassured me by saying that if it came to it, he would vouch that Mr Smith had in fact been heard to say 'I am inspecting allotments' as he walked around 'inspecting' allotments.
Isn't it great when you feel part of a consolidated association with shared standards and expectations.
Nodig
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Nice one Smithy. ;)
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Worried by the comment including "I'm not having that sort of thing going on down my allotments".
So no one else has a say.
Seems to be heading towards Bugloss 2009 suggestion.
Bill
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Worried by the comment including "I'm not having that sort of thing going on down my allotments".
So no one else has a say.
Seems to be heading towards Bugloss 2009 suggestion.
Bill
That about hit the nail on the head" walking the corridors of power"
No dig, no scruples, no honesty, no sense of fair play, no nothing really.
more to be pitied than scorned i think
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Seems like we have our very own Allotments 4 All comedian.Can't wait for the next episode. ;D
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There's always one that comes up with the daffodils - every year.
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Seems like we have our very own Allotments 4 All comedian.Can't wait for the next episode. ;D
How about we help Nodig out by each writing an episode?
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Guess what I have in my back pocket. No, not a turnip, better than that. I have a 24 signature petition demanding that Mr Smith is evicted from his plot because of all this spying he is doing. The fact that I get exactly 24 votes each year at the site elections (my ever loyal croonies, bless em all) is merely a coincidence....honest.
I won't play this card yet, it isn't the right time. Maybe when the committee is dithering over whether to evict or not I will play it like a trump card, I am sure it will win the trick.
Our Mr Smith has been busy. He has put up a sign on his allotment which reads 'NODIG, SITE SUPERVISOR, IS NOT AUTHORISED TO MAKE UP FAIRY STORIES ABOUT OTHER PLOT HOLDERS'
Well I won't pull him up on that one as he has only made one mistake and that is putting the word NOT in the sentence. Ho Hum
His scarecrow is beginning to irritate me a little, it's time to act. Tomorrow he is going to get a little visit from me, but first I will spread it around the site, just for fun.
Nodig
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;D ;D ;D
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nodig, I rather feel you're missing a trick here. Surely your rather lackadaisical approach to turfing this Mr Smith off the site is going to take far longer than necessary. The best thing for you to do is hide some of your property on his plot (maybe some of it could be concealed in the scarecrow) then report it stolen. One of your 24 cronies could then report that he saw Mr Smith on your plot. Another could testify to having seen him carrying your stuuf along the avenue and hey presto, you can throw him off as a thief. He could even consider himself lucky that you didn't call in the police.
Stop pussyfooting around man, and get this brazen scarecrow impersonator off the site.
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You don't need to hide anything on his plot. I once had someone go round my plot, make a list of everything they fancied, and then go to the police claiming I'd stolen it all from them. It was things like several hundred snowdrops, which were claimed to be a rare variety they were supposed to have. They didn't look anything like it.
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Perhaps nodig is on your allotment Robert ;D
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A lovely sunny day down at the allotments, a nice day to evict that grinning scarecrow - and another day soon I hope, Mr Smith. I approach Mr Smith (I have to because I have found he doesn't come to me when I whistle - and yes, all my other plot holders do, it is all to do with good training).
I told him he would have to remove the household rubbish scarecrow. He quickly replied (yes he already knew I was coming), that he had referred my complaint to the management committee for their consideration. How double dare he, it is for ME to refer things to the committee NOT him, a mere plot holder. I felt my hackles rising, and told him on impulse that if he didn't remove the scarecrow, I would not issue him with a new gate key (the locks are going to be changed in a weeks time).
Even this didn't phase Mr Smith, he was obviously confident that even our committee wouldn't have the neck to make the issuing of the gate key conditional on removing a scarecrow from his plot (and unfortunately he was right).
I mumbled something like you will have to remove it in the end, and walked away trying to look like the victor, but with panic inside.
I immediately rang the chairman, and told him about the hole I had dug for myself. He told me not to worry, he would sort it out. I feel a little sorry for Mr Smith now that the chairman is on his case, he is known to bite.
Nodig
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Perhaps nodig is on your allotment Robert ;D
I'll set a mantrap.
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Well we had our meeting with Mr Smith yesterday. The chairman had rung him up and invited him to a meeting on his plot to 'sort it all out'. What he should have said was 'sort him out' but that might have frightened him away.
Mr Smith didn't stand a chance. Before he could say anything about the benefits of having a scarecrow, the chairman immediately ordered him to remove the offending rubbish items from his site.
Mr Smith said 'why, it's just a scrarecrow' (what a stupid question to ask). The chairman quickly replied 'you do as you are told, and that's why'.
Mr Smith still hadn't finished (go on dig yourself in deeper I was thinking).
'You and Nodig are just bullies' he says 'I want my scarecrow to be considered by he committee when it next meets'.
The chairman puffs himself up to his full 5' 5 1/2" and says 'I AM THE COMMITTEE, so do what Nodig says or start worrying about your future tenancy of your plot'.
We left Mr Smith looking shaken, but worryingly not too stirred.
I have just started to put togther my report for the committee - 'Mr Smith dumped household rubbish on his plot, tried to deny it was rubbish, and abused the chairman and site secretary in the process. Mr Smith has now agreed to remove the rubbish from his site (this last bit is pending).
Nodig
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Too right nodig u get him to move his rubbish, the only thing worse than dumping household rubbish is someone using their lottie for dumping works rubbish, maybe u could pin that on him as well, what job does he do nodig. :P
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Are you going far enough nodig? I think you should plan out all the allotments to ensure efficient use of space and proper crop rotations.
Glad you have everyone whistle trained, do they all salute as well?
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Too right nodig u get him to move his rubbish, the only thing worse than dumping household rubbish is someone using their lottie for dumping works rubbish, maybe u could pin that on him as well, what job does he do nodig. :P
Sorry cornykev, what is a lottie?
Nodig
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Too right nodig u get him to move his rubbish, the only thing worse than dumping household rubbish is someone using their lottie for dumping works rubbish, maybe u could pin that on him as well, what job does he do nodig. :P
Sorry cornykev, what is a lottie?
Nodig
Sorry cornykev, I see you meant lorry. No, no lorries involved, and don't worry I would hang him if he ever brought a lorry on to the site.
Nodig
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The chairman puffs himself up to his full 5' 5 1/2" and says 'I AM THE COMMITTEE
Ain't that the case on all allotments when some busybody decides that the allotments cannot run without them. They get co-opted into the secret seven, then take over.
What did we do before committees? I am amazed that allotments have been running all those years with just gardeners growing a few crops as a pastime and nobody 'organising' them.
I will be opening one of my paddocks as allotments one of these days when work stops getting in the way.
I shall pick my tennants. Any mention of committees, societys, glee clubs etc and I understand there are 186 ways of saying go away. I prefer using two words, one of them is off.
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Lottie= allotment u daft geez. :P
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Thank you (thanks) cornykev ;D
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Would you believe it, that bloke with the scarecrow has pushed for a committee meeting to consider the issue in hand. The association secretary has organised a special meeting to 'discuss Mr Smiths tenancy' (a subtle change - the emphasis has moved from 'his' issue with us to 'our' issue with him) and invited him to attend.
Does he really think the committee hearing is going to be a fair one - what a fool he is?
Nodig
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tinkerty tonk
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Hi everyone,
I think that people are getting a little bored with the 'story', so we will leave it there.
As I said at the start I am not really a site supervisor, I am more the 'Mr Smith' in the story.
I hope you all continue to cultivate your allotments in peace, it isn't quite so peacefull on my site. (I have a feeling that the 'knives are out' we will see).
I will publish the true story if that happens.
I might pop up now in my true form...Nodig a mere plot holder of 10 years in Norfolk.
(the bump on the East Coast).
Nodig
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Why don't u tell us the TRUE storey so far, and why are the committee against you, have u done anything so upset them, and if not fill us in with a bit more info. ;D ;D ;D
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OK Cornykev just for you.
The site supervisor during one of his many regular inspections of my plot, tripped up on a taut seed line, and landed bottom end down onto my dibber.
The committee have decided that I operated an unsafe site and given me 28 days notice to quit.
I have appealed against it, saying people should look where he is going on my site, but insiders have told me that no-one in living memory has ever won an appeal.
Is that enough detail Cornykev?
Nodig
ps the site supervisor walks a bit funny now.
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Nodig, can you post the notice of forfeiture and the tenancy agreement.
You do owe a duty of care (even to trespassers - the committee have no right to set foot on your plot, and they can't write an enforceable rules that says they do because of your inalienable right to exclusive possession) so if there were unacceptable hazards on your plot then it might not look so good, but seed lines are hardly unacceptable as we all leave them laught (not using piano wire were you?), and there would still need to be a term of the tenancy agreement that fairly expressed the requirement to keep your plot reasonably hazzard free. You also have the right under S.146 Law of Property 1925 to pay the committee compensation for the breach rather than forfeit your tenancy, and if you're not given the offer the forfeiture is invalid.
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Thanks Unwashed
So if, for arguments sake, the committee send me a letter with the wording
'Site Supervisors and Management Committee representatives have a right of entry onto all plots as part of their duties', how do I act if they turn up and want entry to snout around my plot?
If the whole management committee snout around my site looking for 'evidence' of misuse, are they trespassing?
My site supervisor is always snouting around my plot (looking for who knows what), but he hasn't tripped over my taut wire trap yet (I was joking about that, but I often thought about what if he did trip while snouting around?)
Nodig
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Write out a pre dated risk assessment for your plot. Then insist on site inspectors wear protective clothing like steel toe cap boots, hi viz vests, spectacles for the short sighted and padded jackets and trousers. Then it is their fault if they get shafted with a dibber ;D Ask to see their risk assessment (I bet they don't have one). They won't have a leg to stand on plus an arse to sit on. ;D
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tell them they need a UN Resolution
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Why do they keep sniffing round your plot, are they looking for something in particular, I'm puzzled, ??? is it only u or are there other complaintees. :-\
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Cornykev
sorry you are puzzled.
Nodig
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Your up nice and early nodig is it raining there now. :P
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If anyone comes onto our plot there are lots of things that they would trip over. In the summertime our plot is one big potential hazard cos the squash,gooseberrys ,tayberries and blackberries will get hold of any unauthorised person. ;D
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tell them they need a UN Resolution
Not a good move... once they've got one they will do what they want anyway... :-X
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Your up nice and early nodig is it raining there now. :P
Snowing, I have just put my skis on the roof rack. ;)
Nodig
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If they are sniffing round your plot, are you growing weed(s)?
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If they are sniffing round your plot, are you growing weed(s)?
Come to mention it, I have got some unusual weeds growing where I threw out all my leftover tropical bird seeds. ::)
Nodig
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There must be something on your plot that they've got their eye on, ??? have u any piccies of your plot, are you sure they are not digging a tunnel and dropping the soil on your plot through their trousers every time they visit. ;)