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Allotment Stuff => Swap Shop => Topic started by: Digeroo on June 10, 2010, 08:19:53
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I hope you will all remember that I am doing a specialist beans and pea swap thought I would do it on the same lines as Chriscross did for Squashes and have everyone send in their contribution and then divi it up. Then everyone gets a fair share of the goodies.
Please remember to save some seeds.
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;D ;D ;D ;) ;D ;D
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I'm up for that! ;)
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Count us in too please
Got some HSL and own saved stuff going well, but Extra Hatif de Juilet and Mountaineers didnt make it :'(
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I'm hoping to have a few things available for swaps later on :)
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Me too ;D
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ooooo yes please :D Hoping to be able to save some this year
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Im planning to seed save from my beans and peas this year, please count me in too :)
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Stick me on the list please ;D
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not sure, I'm going to try to save some mummy peas, tiger beans and colossus peas, don't know if they come true or cross pollinate , if they do, yes, please :)
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The peas should come true. I don't know about tiger beans, it depends what species they are.
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thank you, Robert, the tier beans are from HSL, a friend gave me some of his to try, just said tiger beans ??? :)
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The HSL have a variety called 'William's Tiger Bean', which is a climbing French bean. In that case the seeds should come true. They have a lot of French beans since they self-pollinate, making it easy to save seed, and very few of the outbreeders like runner beans as they're more complicated to maintain as true stocks, and few people have bothered.
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right, just got to get them to produce some beans, then ;D
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I am growing a variety of french beans (climbers & dwarf) drying beans and runners. Am hoping to increase my own stock and am hoping that i will have plenty for swaps, so please add me down, when the time comes
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Runners are much more of a problem as they do not come true being outbreeders. Some are easy to maintina by roguing out. I have some liberty which are staying quite good But they have a very easy to spot seed and any outbreeding seems to affect the bean very quickly and they are not the right colour or shape but very dark or white beans are impossible to spot the rogues. So it is not until you get a rather substandard bean the next year you know that things have gone wrong.
Doing the business with a paint brush is a bit of a nightmare and I have only managed it with a very few beans at a time. I have been breeding my own beans and only get a one pod of each breed.
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Hi, I have many different types of shop purchased Peas & Beans and if they are suitable for the swap... Can I join in please ;)
If so please could you PM me the details and workings etc...
Cheers,
Isleworth
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Count me in!
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Runners are much more of a problem as they do not come true being outbreeders. Some are easy to maintina by roguing out. I have some liberty which are staying quite good But they have a very easy to spot seed and any outbreeding seems to affect the bean very quickly and they are not the right colour or shape but very dark or white beans are impossible to spot the rogues. So it is not until you get a rather substandard bean the next year you know that things have gone wrong.
Doing the business with a paint brush is a bit of a nightmare and I have only managed it with a very few beans at a time. I have been breeding my own beans and only get a one pod of each breed.
Duly noted, I shall stick to my frenchies and drying beans :)
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Hi all I was wondering if you could help me out my other half has just informed me that he wants me to grow
Butter Beans is there any one out there with some to spare that they could send me I am willing to swop for any other veg seed but time is running out and I would love to grow them for him many thanks Jan
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First lot of peas cleared from bed and hung up to dry...some seeds on it's way soon... ;D
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Count me in please
I already have available
Daniels Defiance (Runner)
Lazy Housewife (climing French)
Brightstone (French)
BridgeWater (French)
One of the last 2 is dwarf the other climbing - but I can never remember which is which without looking it up.
I may have Broad Bean Crimson Flowered, I'm waiting to see how they crop - growing for seed only. I'm sure I've got another heritage pea or bean in but can't remember what right now.
I may also end up with a limited supply of purple podded peas.
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Yes, please. What a great idea for a swap. hopefully will have several by the end of the growing season.
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Looks like we are going to have an amazing number of peas and beans. I have not got any ready to dry yet, I am still planting out the climbing beans.
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Oh...they've been growing in GH..early crop.. ;) Outside peas have only just started flowering.. ::)
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I think a bean and pea swap is a very good idea but whoever organises it could be in for a lot of postage given that the seeds are so bulky.
I imagine the packs could go second class 'large letter' but I expect their weight would be over 100g but less than 250g. The postage for this size of letter is 81p.
See: http://www.royalmail.com/portal/rm/content1?mediaId=51000697&catId=400030
When we send seeds in for the swap, would it not make sense if we all put in a large, stamped, self-addressed envelope to whoever is organising it? We must also ensure that the letter enclosing the envelope and our own seeds for the swap has adequate postage on it.
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Good idea Pauline. Someone with organization skills, so it's not me ::).
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definitely a good idea Pauline - for the squash swap that ChrisCross organised I had to guess at what would be returned to figure the postage out, but luckily my guess was fine!
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Got plenty here already for the swap, have some largish packs of peas and beans... May be a stupid question, but should they be split in to smaller amounts? have some seed envelopes and can do lables for details etc.. or do we all just add a large pack and people take what they want?
If I should split them up, whats a reasonable amount per envelope please ;)
Thanks,
Isleworth
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...second lot ready to hung up to dry... ;D
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How many per person depends on what they are and how many seeds you have. Some of my rarities will have to be divided into lots of a dozen or so, as I won't have much to go round. If it's a common variety and you have lots, then bigger packets would probably be appropriate.
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Please count me in. Still have some 09 home saved seed left and there will be lots more from the 2010 plants.
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..3 lots of peas cleared from the GH..I can get rest of toms in now.. ::)...most of the peas shelled and bit more drying to do... ;)
..And hopefully later on load of more peas and beans from outside.. ;D..if the sparrows just leave my plants alone..again..they are taking really unhealthy interest to my peas... >:( ::)
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You could tell them to pea off :o ;).
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;D ;D ;D
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Just been going through the seed collection and I have the following available for the swap...
Climbing French Bean
Dwarf French Bean
- Masterpiece
- The Prince
- Safari
- Opera
Runner Bean
Pea
- PeaWee 65
- Hurst Greenshaft
;) Isleworth
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I should be able to put in quitre a few shelling beans:
Climbers
Box
Polish Climbing
Egyptian Pea-Bean
Bridgewater
Minnesota Purple Mennonite Stripe
Blue Lake
Marvel of Venice
Birds Egg
Borlotti
Giganda (Giant butter bean but it's not the same species)
Dwarf
Soldier Bean
Yin -Yang
Ernies Big-Eye Bean
Arranesco
plus the green beans
Cobra and Speedie..... might not have many of the Speedie so don't count on it.
Don't envy you the counting out job BTW, it might make sense if we all pre-split them into tens?
chrisc
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I have 25 varieties and most are doing well but very few flowers at the moments, so I do not know what I will have on offer.
Last year I had 8 plants of one variety and ended up with 400 seed peas (and I ate loads), and another started with 25 beans and only managed to increase that to 50 good sized beans and a few smaller ones.
I am rather hoping that everyone will packet up their offerings. I think sorting out the packets will be enough of a challenge. I would suggest a minumum 10 or 12 to a packet.
My idea is that everyone will send their list of offerings hopefully on a spreadsheet together with a description of the beans. Growing habit, height, pod size and shape, Uses for beans (green, fresh shelling, dried), taste. My one criticism of HSL is that you do not get enough information about what you are growing. Then everyone will be able to make choices from the list.
There is going to be some problems because there will possibly be more interest in some of the more unusual varieties.
I do not just want to send round the packet because that means that some people get a much better selection than others and people at the beginning of the list do not see the offerings of those at the end of the list and vice versa. Each person will have to post their beans and provide a stamped addressed envelope for return. I am sorry that this adds to the cost becuase you have to pay twice, but hopefully everyone will get a better selection.
I did one of the pass the parcel seed swaps last year and some people ended up with a very poor selection, and its was possible to take out a great deal more than they put in. Several people had only a very minimal rather scruffy selection.
I also hope that those with more unusual varieties will be generous and be prepared to accept some commercially available offerings. While not all the unusual varieties will be available to everyone.
My only confirmed offering so far is salmon flowered peas. A pretty oddity but certainly would not recommends as a serious growing opportunity. Now if they could cross with something and give huge plants of large salmon pink flowers with great tasting peas now that would be worth growing.
Please ensure that all peas and beans are dried well before depodding. Please germinated a small batch on kitchen roll to ensure viablility particularly if you are new to seed saving. If they are go at all mouldy then they need to be left longer in the pod to dry. If necessary put the pods on a radiator or windowsill. Pick all pods before the first frost.
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Thanks for organising this Digeroo, and the extra reminders about how to dry the seeds. Everything you have suggested sounds sensible and practical to me
1066 :)
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Digeroo
you wrote: Now if they could cross with something and give huge plants of large salmon pink flowers with great tasting peas now that would be worth growing.
I have a mangetout pea variety from Switzerland, called Weggiser, and a few years ago one plant suddenly developed pink flowers. Otherwise the same as usual. The flowers in further generations have stayed pink, the mutation appears stable. Yield is the same as other Weggiser plant. The plants are not exactly huge, around 5ft.
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Brightstone (French)
BridgeWater (French)
One of the last 2 is dwarf the other climbing - but I can never remember which is which without looking it up.
Bridgewater is a climber... or at least the ones I have are.....
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Mine are climbing as well.
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I should be able to put in quitre a few shelling beans:
Climbers
Box
Polish Climbing
Egyptian Pea-Bean
Bridgewater
Minnesota Purple Mennonite Stripe
Blue Lake
Marvel of Venice
Birds Egg
Borlotti
Giganda (Giant butter bean but it's not the same species)
Dwarf
Soldier Bean
Yin -Yang
Ernies Big-Eye Bean
Arranesco
plus the green beans
Cobra and Speedie..... might not have many of the Speedie so don't count on it.
Don't envy you the counting out job BTW, it might make sense if we all pre-split them into tens?
chrisc
THe harvest is pretty much on for the Soldier and Speedie though the plants are trying to struggle out a few more flowers..... I can't see that there'll be more than a dozen spare speedies unless they start flowering again and maybe twice that of the Soldiers..... I'd recommend both though as the Speedies do live up to their name, tiny plants that crop with a handful of leaves on weeks before anything else does.... I thought they'd provide beans earl;y from a polytunnel before the Cobra's got going, but what actually happened was that they were finished as green beans over a month before the Cobras, thankfully I'd frozen some as I wasn't in a posaition to eat them all at the time (they kept coming through when I was going away). Next year I'll be more aggressively early with them in a greenhouse and sow something else to bridge the gap..... I don't think it would be asking too much of them to crop by the middle-end of May from an early March sowing.
I also recommend Soldier, I only had a handful of plants this year (six or so of the 10 sown) but they've been earlier than the rest of the shelling dwarfs and it's a great bean, qquite large and quite handsome, imagine an oversize cannellini with a smudge of purple around the scar....
chrisc
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I think it has not been a wonderful bean year, i have spoken to many people who are not harvesting the amount they normally would be, probably due to the rotten drought we had earlier in the year.
I am trying to preserve as many for seeds as possible whilst still being able to get a good munch as well as it is not really worth growing if you cannot eat it. once i get everything dried, then i can start to work out what beans i will have available.
K ;D
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I have not got anyvthing to dry yet at all. But here are lots of flowers going on.
The runners have finally started so some of the french might get a chance to seed now.
Hoping rain might bring a few things on. I have 27 difference varieities of beans I cannot eat them all!!! I can't keep up with Mrs Lewis and the Hungarian waxes.
Looks like I might have plenty of czechoslovakian. Only had 10 beans which I got in a seed swap. but they have gone into overdrive. Pods much too furry to eat green. I think Chris you will like this one, a very fast beaner and huge beans.
Also have Sarahs Climbing Black they are so delicious I doubt there will be many of those left after I have eaten them. The best ever eaten raw.
The ones in the garden are not doing well, but a mile away in the lottie things are excellent.
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I'm well into the cropping now.... having a bit of a problem with the Mennonite stripes.... They're lovely beans and they're early if not huge yielding, the issue I've got is trying to get them to dry out for seed, that massive fleshy pod is prone to rot rather than dry in our conditions.... just about to go down there now and will take what I can get, itll have to dry out under cover....
Also another discovery... both Box and Egyptian Pea-Bean are lovely to east, as is Ernies Big-Eye, and BLue Lake makes a cracking canellini with a big yield for me.... I've managed to have a few of the Gigandas too... massive great things, you couldn't mistake them for anythign else, leaving the crop now and praying that I get some to dry out for seed.... will be takign all the currnet flowers off this weekend to force the food into already set beans....
Soldier beans are all out now, nice bean but disappointing yield... will try again next year on the new plot....
The Czech beans sound intriguing....
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How are you eating pea beans As green beans they seem to be rather stingy. Box not doing well all my beans apart from one in the front garden suffering from some kind of mosaic problem on the leaves Thought it was the soil but squashes fine and the bindweed is doing magnificently.
My mennonite stripes have huge square cross section pods. They are still on the plants looks like a radiator job. Seem to have yielded well. The pods are huge and the beans are still quite small. I shall leave mine on the plants another month.
My problem will be keeping all the different ones separate.
I certainly do not want to spend the whole winter counting beans, I was thinking that everyone would send them in already counted.
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You can count me in.I have an own created one,not by purpose.Try to save enough beans and than we will see. ;D ;D ;D
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I've managed to have a few of the Gigandas too... massive great things, you couldn't mistake them for anythign else, leaving the crop now and praying that I get some to dry out for seed.... will be takign all the currnet flowers off this weekend to force the food into already set beans....
I've been wondering what to do with my Gigandes, so think I will follow suit - it has loads of flowers on at the moment, a few huge pods at the bottom of the plants and some smaller ones near the top. Bit confused by it, but very happy to see the pods :-\
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I'm getting ready to harvest some beans for seeds soon.. ;D Majority of the bush sort are nearly there. Pole sorts are not even near ready..mind though..my little mystery ones have produced first dry pods and there is loads to come and it is still flowering as well...such a hard cropper..and it is shelling variety of some sort ??? What throws my research into trouble is the size of the pods..they are so small..there is plenty of 'lookalikes...it is not the size that matter but the perfomance.. ;D If anybody else is interested to try these..I'm sure I've got plenty available soon.
I've also got some sulphur beans now... ;)
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I might have my very own new variety as well.... looks like I've got a melanic sport in the pea-beans..... I only planted two black-seeded varieties and it's neither of them.... can't be black pencil-pod wax, that's a dwarf and the pod is very different to both that and the Cherokee ToT's... it looks like a black-podded, black seeded pea-bean.... if it comes true to seed next year then I announce the creation of "Crosskey's Nubian pea-bean"....
Had a big picking session this evening, stripped the Box and Blue Lakes (note to self, these are pretty early varieties), picked a lot of Bridgewater (a sort of earlier, not quite so productive Borlotti) and got a lot of the Polsh CLimbing (ditto),,,, took some BOrlotti's but there's loads on the plant still. Took a fair few Marvel of Venice (won't bother with it again as no advantage over BLue Lake and BL is more productive) and got some Yin-Yang, pea-beans and the last of the soldiers and Ernies Big-Eye.... left the Birds Egg alone cos easy to confuse with too many others, got a few Mennonite Stripe and left a few.....love this bean but it's no epic cropper despite the size of both bean and pod.... it's very early though....
chrisc
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I think what I would like to do is to create a spreadsheet of all the beans on offer and then email round the list so people can see what is on offer and make choices.
One of the other problems with beans is that they move so if the package passed thought the PO nasty little slot when it was sent it might be too large and get a surcharge when it arrives because all the beans have slipped down one end. Would be grateful for suggestions about this. I very much resent paying the package rate myself for something which only missed by a mm. It is almost twice the price.
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a spreadsheet sounds like a very practical idea Digeroo
re the postage, I know how annoying that is - but is there any way we could take the packets into the envelopes, so they don't move around?
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One way to keep the parcel even is to package the seed into small portions and stable these small packages on a piece of card... ;)
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CD/floppy disk transit boxes?
chrisc
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What about padded envelopes and if needed a little spare bubble wrap sent in case it is needed?
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ONe thought on the packaging front.... we'll all be sending them in precounted in tens I assume?... why not sellotape the beans to a piece of cardboard, with the type written on the cardboard. Masking tape might make more sense than sellotape thinking about it cos it floats off with water.... and easier to write on too if you want. Should make it easier for the central redistribution.
chrisc
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Now have some dried gigandas, thetre's lots still green on the plant, same is also true of the borlotti's and the San Antonios, but it looks like all bar Mennonite Stripe should appear in the swap, possibly the gigandas in a half-sized set though. the plants are massive and the crop is starting to look huge. There might be a few Mennonite Stripes but they'll be for strictly the discerning specialist, sent out in plain wrappers....
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I might have my very own new variety as well.... looks like I've got a melanic sport in the pea-beans..... I only planted two black-seeded varieties and it's neither of them.... can't be black pencil-pod wax, that's a dwarf and the pod is very different to both that and the Cherokee ToT's... it looks like a black-podded, black seeded pea-bean.... if it comes true to seed next year then I announce the creation of "Crosskey's Nubian pea-bean"....
chrisc
I had to look up what a melanic sport is :-) Hope it will breed true or rather come back. I once had a dark pod in rattlesnake beans, just the one, the others on the same plant were normal, but that trait did not come back. Although in my case the seeds were the same as normal.
Interesting. Was the original a black and white yin-yang type? I am not familiar with this pea bean. If it is a genuine mutation, then it will breed true and the trait will be fixed without needing generations of selection, like with a cross. Keep us posted how it goes next year. And good luck with your own bean.
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ONe thought on the packaging front.... we'll all be sending them in precounted in tens I assume?... why not sellotape the beans to a piece of cardboard, with the type written on the cardboard. Masking tape might make more sense than sellotape thinking about it cos it floats off with water.... and easier to write on too if you want. Should make it easier for the central redistribution.
chrisc
Sounds very sensible.
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Update:
Climbers
Got lots of the following:
Box
Polish Climbing
Egyptian Pea-Bean
Bridgewater
Blue Lake
Marvel of Venice
Birds Egg
Borlotti
Have limited or very limited of:
Minnesota Purple Mennonite Stripe
Giganda (Giant butter bean but it's not the same species), though depending on the harvest there might be a lot more gIgandas cos there's lots green on the plant, we need some sun but no frost to get me more drying as seed...
Dwarf
Got plenty or lots of
Black Pencil Pod Wax
Yin -Yang
Ernies Big-Eye Bean
I've got limited numbers of
Speedie
Soldier.
It's highly unlikely I'll have any
Arranesco, they were a late planting and I'm only just cropping green beans now...
Lima, they crop late, ATM I need what little seed I have for nexrt year, that said if the weather plays nice I might get some spare.... It's not hard to find though.
It's not worth saving
Cobra, it's an F1... I've got some spare seeds from a pack I got in Wyevales sale though
chrisc
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Great selection Chrissc. We could all do with a few more sunny days to get some of the late varieties ripened off. Hope you get much more Gigandas.
I am pretty sure Cobra is not a hybrid bean, its OP and you can save seeds from it. None of the packets that I have seen say it is and by law they must state on the packet if a seed is F1 hybrid. If they don't, it is OP.
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Great selection Chrissc. We could all do with a few more sunny days to get some of the late varieties ripened off. Hope you get much more Gigandas.
I am pretty sure Cobra is not a hybrid bean, its OP and you can save seeds from it. None of the packets that I have seen say it is and by law they must state on the packet if a seed is F1 hybrid. If they don't, it is OP.
Oh... I could ahve sworn that it said F1 on the packet.... oh well... no hope of seeds from it now though, I've been eating/freezing them green as and when they came.... doesn't matter really though, I've got a packet of seeds for them and I'll only need half of them if that.....
I'm really hoping for:
Dwarfs:
Canadian Wonder
Bush Pinto
Climbers:
Anythign interesting... if there's a climbing red kidney or a climbing pinto then definitely them (and I'd rather have climbers than dwarfs so if they turn up I won't want Canadian Wonder or Bush pinto...
I'd also like to try a trial with my black sport pea bean. It will need to be rather more controlled than is usual, and I'll want a few pods worth of beans back from each plant that's grown, seperately packed by plant so that I can trace it..... I've got an idea that the melanic trait is going to be a dominant, so I need to trace through a couple of generations from the next one to work out which strain has two doses of it.... I would expect that the beans I've got will give 75% black and 25% standard bicolour offspring. The stnadard bicolour will be the same as the original plant strain and can goi back into the "general population". Of the black ones, 2/3 will be the same as the parent, with one melanic gene, but the other 1/3 (ie 25% of the total harvest) will be double-melanic, and therefore stable. They will be the basis of Crosskey's Nubian Pea-Bean....
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Oh... I could ahve sworn that it said F1 on the packet....
Climbers:
Anythign interesting... if there's a climbing red kidney or a climbing pinto then definitely them (and I'd rather have climbers than dwarfs so if they turn up I won't want Canadian Wonder or Bush pinto...
I'd also like to try a trial with my black sport pea bean. It will need to be rather more controlled than is usual, and I'll want a few pods worth of beans back from each plant that's grown, seperately packed by plant so that I can trace it..... I've got an idea that the melanic trait is going to be a dominant, so I need to trace through a couple of generations from the next one to work out which strain has two doses of it.... I would expect that the beans I've got will give 75% black and 25% standard bicolour offspring. The stnadard bicolour will be the same as the original plant strain and can goi back into the "general population". Of the black ones, 2/3 will be the same as the parent, with one melanic gene, but the other 1/3 (ie 25% of the total harvest) will be double-melanic, and therefore stable. They will be the basis of Crosskey's Nubian Pea-Bean....
AFAIK there is no French Bean out there that has been hybridised and is sold as F1 - too much work involved. But they will find a way soon for sure.
I have a climbing red kidney bean - Veitch Climbing from HSL - and could supply a bit of seed. It is 2009 seed.
I wish you the best of luck for the pea bean experiments and evaluations next year and hope that you will get your own variety. It is great fun, even if you have to be careful with note taking. I evaluated 15 F3s of an accidental cross this year and I was really pleased with what I got. there are more F3s to grow next year and the promising F4s from this year to grow out too. It will be another year with many bean plants, although all the experimental ones were one 8ft pole per 3 plants per variety.
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AFAIK there is no French Bean out there that has been hybridised and is sold as F1 - too much work involved. But they will find a way soon for sure.
I have a climbing red kidney bean - Veitch Climbing from HSL - and could supply a bit of seed. It is 2009 seed.
I wish you the best of luck for the pea bean experiments and evaluations next year and hope that you will get your own variety. It is great fun, even if you have to be careful with note taking. I evaluated 15 F3s of an accidental cross this year and I was really pleased with what I got. there are more F3s to grow next year and the promising F4s from this year to grow out too. It will be another year with many bean plants, although all the experimental ones were one 8ft pole per 3 plants per variety.
I did think it strange that there was an F1 french bean.... they internally fertilise normally so it would be a bugger to arrange.... but then Cobra seems fairly expensive as seed considering how productive it is...
oooh ooh ooh.... yes please re: Vietch Climbing.... had a look around for it earlier this year and couldn't find any....
I'm hoping I can get another plot sorted out in Swindon, it'll give me space to do a lot of my whacky experiments (and grow more squash, they're going to be cramped this year otherwise....
chrisc
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Beans are drying out nicely...
Some Climbing pinto's spare too.. ;) One of my mystery beans that I wrote about while ago is turned out to be some sort of pinto..not all seed look same and some come out as almost black..I think that is why it has sneaked into my cherokee seeds un-noticed..but I'm still working to find out what variety it might be..
Rice bean (Comtesse de Chamburd) has been better than I thought..our of 7 plants I've got mug full of beans for seed..and it is supposed to be bit shy cropper.
Ernies Big eye's have done well too..and good old purple queen..
Some Black Turtle and Ying Yang ..some Cosse Violette..plenty of borlotto...
My problem with supply this year is that I didn't grown any variety in great quantity..quite few sorts but in bits and bobs...so with those, once the bagging in start I'll let know what I've got.
I've still got few bush sort to come...fingers cross that weather will keep warm enough few more weeks so I can crop them.
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I'm going to start sorting out beans for seed this weekend (or maybe earlier if I feel up to it).... Are we agreed on the "stick 10 seeds to a strip of card with masking tape" technique?
I also need to sample the Cherokee ToT as a dried bean to work out if I'm growing it next year, though it'll ahve to be pretty special to persuade me....
chrisc
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I also need to sample the Cherokee ToT as a dried bean to work out if I'm growing it next yearI eat my cherokee mostly as shelled bean..but as fresh sort..I haven't tried it as dried bean though...but cherokee doesn't really yield that much beans..plenty of pod but not much seed..or is it just mine ???
But my mystery pinto ;D ;D..that has turned out to be cracker...very pleased..very short pods..only couple of inches but solid with seeds...there is no gaps between each seed and plant produce lots of pods..plant are not growing too tall neither only about 6ft. Last year I grew these to eat as green beans and they are ok...nothing special..but this year I let all set for shelling and found it much better ;D
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Just about all my beans this year are dried, the freezer didn't get sorted out until too late.... that said the Giganda's will put a load in there as fresh frozen sooner or later....
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when are we going to do this swap?..just so that I know to prepare and aim to get my beans sorted...While the weather is on 'warm' side I'd like to keep last lot going on as long as possible...all still lush and green..
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I see no particular reason to be in any kind of rush at the moment. I am still far to busy with the autumn duties and still drying beans. Once the weather gets too cold and grotty to get outside then I will start to get things moving.
My idea is to get everyone to make a list of what they have available hopelfully on a spreadsheet. Then I can sent the sheet round and people can choose what they are interested in.
Then I will have to work out some kind of allocation system for any beans that have too many who want them. I am not sure what the fairest system will be but I think I will be thinking in terms of giving priority to those people with more interesting varieties on offer and those who regularly take part in the forum. I am just hoping with a bit of negotiation we can sort things out. Hopefully it will be fairer than the round robin system which can leave some people with a very poor deal.
I would appreciate peoples views on this.
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I see no particular reason to be in any kind of rush at the moment. I am still far to busy with the autumn duties and still drying beans. Once the weather gets too cold and grotty to get outside then I will start to get things moving.
My idea is to get everyone to make a list of what they have available hopelfully on a spreadsheet. Then I can sent the sheet round and people can choose what they are interested in.
Then I will have to work out some kind of allocation system for any beans that have too many who want them. I am not sure what the fairest system will be but I think I will be thinking in terms of giving priority to those people with more interesting varieties on offer and those who regularly take part in the forum. I am just hoping with a bit of negotiation we can sort things out. Hopefully it will be fairer than the round robin system which can leave some people with a very poor deal.
I would appreciate peoples views on this.
I thik it's a very good idea... also may I suggest we use google docs to handle the spreadsheet?... amkes it a lot easier for the controller.... I can coordinate setting it up (we use it at work sometimes so i've got a gmail account)
I'm planning on doing the same sort of thing for my squash swap
chrisc s
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Ohh...that's ok then..no rush ::)..err..it is raining and someone got a bit bored..so I've started bagging some that are dry and ready.. ;D
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I'll promise..I shan't get myself into a state that I was with Jeannine's parcel :-X....I'll try not to... ;D ;D
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Wowzer Goodlife those are looking great!
It's a mixed old year for me. I'd hoped to be able to share some Gigandes, but they just haven't done that much, and a few of the seeds have started to go a bit mouldy in the pods. So unlikely there will be anything to share on that front, which is a real disappointment, but based on some advice from Galina I'm going to try and keep a couple of the plants going over winter......
I think I've decided that I like CTOT better as a shelling bean - beautiful shiny black beans - perfect for a dal makhani ;)
Oh and Google docs sounds like a great idea Chris
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I also need to sample the Cherokee ToT as a dried bean to work out if I'm growing it next yearI eat my cherokee mostly as shelled bean..but as fresh sort..I haven't tried it as dried bean though...but cherokee doesn't really yield that much beans..plenty of pod but not much seed..or is it just mine ???
But my mystery pinto ;D ;D..that has turned out to be cracker...very pleased..very short pods..only couple of inches but solid with seeds...there is no gaps between each seed and plant produce lots of pods..plant are not growing too tall neither only about 6ft. Last year I grew these to eat as green beans and they are ok...nothing special..but this year I let all set for shelling and found it much better ;D
Mystery pinto climber; I have this as well - but all the seeds are black this year [last year they were half black and half speckled but darker than a normal pinto]. where did you get the original seeds from, just interested in case we had the same supplier and have the same cross. I've called mine Black Box; as named by a friend's little on. The speckled ones are called Speckle Chucky...which gives me 3 pintos in the range.
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I will have a look at google docs and see what it has to offer. It will be a good challenge for me to work out how to use something new. On a quick look it is quite straight forward.
I want to have a good space for descriptions. One thing that bugs me with HSL is the lack of info about the different variieties. They have it but members do not seem to be able to access it.
So looks like this is a good idea Chris.
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where did you get the original seeds from, just interested in case we had the same supplier and have the same crossI bought lots of stuff from seedfest..but that was some years ago..and I do remember getting some freebies as well. But at the time beans were not a big thing for me so I did not pay attention what I did get..part from what I ordered ::) But I've been through my papers, notes, records etc. ..first I thought this pinto was mixed in with Cherokee Tot's ..but now it looks like that it wasn't it mixed in afterall..as one of my planting plans mentions of row of pinto on it's own...as well as cherokees...I must have got it mixed in with cherokees by myself with uncareful labeling...live and learn..
I did checked seedfests old site and in there they did have pinto listed...but it doesn't say variety..just pinto...and not much other description neither..
Pinto – 1500's Heirloom. A relative of the Kidney Bean, this variety is widely used for making refried beans and can also be used in recipes that call for Kidney Beans. This half-runner variety gives a good yields of nice green pods that can be used for green beans. The pods contain at least 5 beige colored beans that are streaked with a nice dark brown color. The name “Pinto” means “painted” in Spanish, referring to their unusual coloration. One of the most popular beans in the U.S. 90 days. $1.99 ..that's about all...
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Digeroo - I believe HSL are looking at trying to make that info accessible; as you have to save the original yearly brochure to get access to the info....
Goodlife; totally different source; interesting that the same thing has happened to more than one source of beans; perhaps they are susceptible to a CTOT cross as all the people who have got this different pinto in their later growings have also grown CTOT....
I can't read this thread properly anymore due to the width so I'll bow out and just say 'happy bean swapping'....
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but this finding out of the variety name is getting to be a obsession for me now..I've spent hours on line..found some WONDERFUL bean sites, but not quite found right description or photo for what I've got...so now I've resulted of buying a book from Kew books..'Legumes of the world'.. ::) ;D...I do hope it will
'live' for it's reputation..'bean porn' :o....not that they describe it so..I'm just hoping ;D
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ever hopeful eh Goodlife! And what a cheap excuse in order to buy some bean porn :P :)
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I can't read this thread properly anymore due to the width
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but this finding out of the variety name is getting to be a obsession for me now..I've spent hours on line..found some WONDERFUL bean sites, but not quite found right description or photo for what I've got...so now I've resulted of buying a book from Kew books..'Legumes of the world'.. ::) ;D...I do hope it will
'live' for it's reputation..'bean porn' :o....not that they describe it so..I'm just hoping ;D
You Devil Goodlife! I want that book so bad :P :P
lavishly illustrated throughout with over
1,100 photographs, paintings and line drawings,
including 105 line drawings commissioned from
the botanical artist Pat Halliday. World
Sounds like total bean porn to me.........I'll bully people into getting it for me for Christmas, or else no more beans and peas for them...
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Earlypea..I've just received my book..and...it is big to handle..impressive to look at..promises some 'action'...but deliver little...
I never realised how large Legume family is...yes this book is full of pictures..more than writing..but covers so much..trees, bushes, perennials..
Book has 577 pages..which 2 are about (edible) peas as general...and only one page about 'beans' as Phaseolus..only one!..3 pics.. :'(
No varieties....nothing...just a sample pic of each in genera.
So it's all talk no action.. it wasn't nothing like I expected it to be::).. save your Christmas box for something else...unless you fancy a 'telephone dictionary' with photos ::)
Sorry to say, but I was left cold...not even little tinkle on toe.. >:(
Now..does anybody know any books about edible beans and peas...kind of that could be use for identification purposes?
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I would complain & hope to get my money back if it was not what it was supposed to be ::).
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I'd send it back as well! I'm sure you have the standard 28 days to return goods that you don't want
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Hmm...the book is what it says in description...but it is not what I thought it would be like....if only I could been able to see it before hand...
For what it is ...yes I have to admit it is good one..but it didn't serve my purpose..and it is only a refrence for the thousands and thousands of legumes that exist in world..unfortunately the ones we eat is minute part of it.
But I'm going to keep it...as a reminder on my bookshelf..'do more research before you part with money!!!!!!'..I shan't do the same mistake in a hurry ::)
But search will go on....if I would only be able to put together a book about 'edible legumes of the world'...with as many varieties as possible..each with photo as a bean(seed), plant with flowers, description and history...now that what I want...anybody volunteering?..in few years time I would buy a copy ;)
Oh..this weather is right for the last beans..warm enough for more growth..plenty of moisture..and if the sun just would come out bit more.. ;D
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Weather is being kind to us at the moment.... we're getting some sun in the daytime, but the nights haven't been frosty yet and there's plenty of moisture.... this will be fattening up my gigandas and no mistake. I managed to find a few more drying ones over the last couple of days so with a bit of luck they will definitely be in the swap in decent quantity. I will card them in fives not tens though as the plants are massive, so they take up twice the space each of other climbers thought of as big (like say Borlotti)....
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I'm still waiting for my Gigandes - only had 5 pods so far that have ripened. It's been bucketing down here on and off for days, so we need some SUNSHINE pleeeeaaaaassssse :)
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Problem is, at this time of year, sunny days can well mean frost at night and I don't think a Giganda will take kindly to that.... I'm going to sort out a fleece jacket for my wigwam at the weekend to try and keep it going but at least I'm not in a position where that would be the only way for me to get seed for next year... I've already got some.....
chrisc
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yes I think fleece might be the go for a few weeks to see if they ripen more easily
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Right, I've started the google doc for the spreadsheet. Can I get a few of the more usual suspects hriscto go to google, set up a login against an email address and PM the address, I'll sort out sharing it.
chrisc
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I thought I was organising the pea and bean swap.
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I'm not sure whether to fleece my Major Cook's or not ??? Damp seems to be the problem right now since it's rained for days on end and I think fleece increases the humidity levels, but then if we get frost they'll be done for.
They've got fat pods with fully formed stripy beans but the pods are still full-skinned, not papery yet.
Should I or shouldn't I? Advice appreciated.
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Last year none of my major cook ripened on the vine. I put some of them in the communal shed and the leaves dried out and made the most almightly mess which took ages to clear up. So I picked them all and dried some on the window sill and some on the radiator. The radiator ones dried the best so in the end I dried them all on the radiators. I am keeping a firm eye on the weather forecast.
I did germination tests and they were all fine. I did several batches just to check and got 100% germination. Plants this year also grew well. The pods were still very fleshy when I brought some of them in. Do not remove from the pods until they are bone dry. It takes a considerable time to reach this point.
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Thanks Digeroo
They're actually more advanced than that with most of the leaves gone, but they seem to stay fleshy forever.
I bought some home yesterday in pods to hedge my bets and am trying to dry them out in the conservatory. I'm thinking I'll leave the rest for the promised sunshine for the next few days and then get them all back here. They're definitely podded but also padded ;)
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Thanks Digeroo
They're actually more advanced than that with most of the leaves gone, but they seem to stay fleshy forever.
I bought some home yesterday in pods to hedge my bets and am trying to dry them out in the conservatory. I'm thinking I'll leave the rest for the promised sunshine for the next few days and then get them all back here. They're definitely podded but also padded ;)
This late in the season take mature pods that are well-filled and leathery and dry them indoors. If you leave them out and they get too damp, the beans inside start germinating, not what you want. Sounds like your beans are ready to be taken off. I would still not dry them on the hot radiator for seed longevity, but a windowsill and frequent turning are the order of the day. They will not go papery dry outside at this time of year. Best of luck getting them dry. As Digeroo said, shell when fully dried and then dry the bean seeds a bit more.
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I am frantically trying to dry much of mine at home as when i went over the lottie, so many of the bean pods were sodden and mushy and undryable :( Hopefully will have something to share
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I thought I was organising the pea and bean swap.
Oops... sorry, I was just messing around with Google Docs anyway so stuck a spreadsheet together.... PM me an email addy and I'll stick you down as editor and drop out... or more likely copy it for the Squash one.... I basically knew what beans I'll have/want, not sure yet of that in any way shape or form for squash yet.....
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OHhhh..are we there yet ::)..surely all beans are dry and ready by now ::)
My last lot of bush beans din't make it...frost got them before me.. >:(...and that was last of the seeds too >:(
But even then, I've got bumper pack ready for swapping for some mouth watering alternatives ;D...CANT WAIT ;D
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OHhhh..are we there yet ::)..surely all beans are dry and ready by now ::)
My last lot of bush beans din't make it...frost got them before me.. >:(...and that was last of the seeds too >:(
But even then, I've got bumper pack ready for swapping for some mouth watering alternatives ;D...CANT WAIT ;D
Only my early beans are ready, not the late ones ..... if you want to go ahead now I won't include any late ones. Digeroo, did you say we could include 2009 beans?
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Galina...there is not hurry..really..I'm just feeling like kid in car..traveling to holiday place...very impatient I am ;D
My post was just a 'feeler' to see how other are doing..it's been quiet for while with this post ;)
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Ive got lots of pods that are now dried, including more Giganda's than I expected. Need to find time to shell them out....
I'll probably still put the Giganda's out in fives rather than tens cos the plants are massive.... I got 25 borlottis into the space that 8 gigandas took up...
chrisc
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ive got plenty of the french bean 'cobra' if anyone wants some
just sens us a pm
steve
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Hi there
Is it too late for me to join in on this one? I'm wondering whether I qualify as I've only got one variety of bean left over after divying up for the other seed circle, but in a sizeable quantity and it is HSL and a nice one in my opinion.
I've got 200 Ice/Crystal Wax dwarf French. Attractive, delicate foliage, bi-coloured peach and white flowers. Filet beans which turn almost white, palest green at eating stage, streaked with mauve as they dry out. A particularly sweet and crisp bean, no strings.
Can I join? What do I do? I can't find a page explaining it all. :)
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Earlypea...we haven't even started yet ;D And anyway..funny that, I saw thing on one site about that bean you mentioned..and I was going ask later on if anybody has any to swap. ;D ;D ;D Do hang on..I'm sure Digeroo is going to start with this swap soon ;)...I'm definately after your beans now,,, ;) My box of swaps is bagged and ready to go once we get the clearance to start ;D
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I have started a spreadsheet in Google. Would someone like to send me an email address and I will add so they can share the spreadsheet and perhaps give me some feed back.
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I'll do ;D..pm on it's way ;D
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I've not asked to join in as I thought it was too late......
How many people have you got in the circle?
I'm up to about 83 different bean types this year; even though I had a bad year and have a few varieties I can't swap - I do have rather alot that are quite rare that I'd be happy to add into the mix that are ok to share with people.
Once your spreadsheet is up and running; I'll see if there is anything that I've got that I can send into the circle......and I've a few with smaller numbers that I could do a lucky dip with.....if there are any spaces on the circle of course. If not - no worries.
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It isn't too late I have only just started the spreadsheet. I will post when things are up and running. At the moment I am just trying to collect a few email addresses to add to the sharing part so I get give it a trial run.
I am concerned a just how many packets of beans I am going to have to sort out.
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Ok the google doc spreadsheet is now up and running. So far getting into it has been variable two no problems and one failure. No idea why there is a difference. Those who cannot get in I can email you a copy to add to and return and I will add to the list.
If you would like to join in please pm me with your email address. Please also register that email address with google docs.
https://www.google.com/accounts/NewAccount?service=writely&continue
Packets on offer should have 10 beans or peas. Each packet should be clearly marked with the name of variety, the ID number and the name of grower and growing season. Please test grow a few seeds to check viability.
The first two digits of the ID will be also a grower id so all mine for example with start with 10.
Any comments on the spreadsheet or the swap would be more than welcome.
Once I put you on the spreadsheet it will send you and email. Click on the email link to get into the spreadsheet for the first time.
Looking forward to swapping with you
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Digeroo, sorry to hijack I've sent you an email re T&M offer.
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Oh Joy..I finally got access to the spreadsheet ::) ;D So I've started typing..but more info is still to fill in..I'm not finished yet.
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I do not know what the problem was so if it happens to someone else I suppose the only thing to say is persevere.
If people are putting things in packets please put the information nice and big I hate wearing my reading glasses. :o
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The list is starting to look good folks. Remember this is not a first come first served swap. The better your offers the better your choices.
The spreadsheet is now open please pm me your email addres to be included.
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Remember this is not a first come first served swap. The better your offers the better your choices.
OK, I'm in, able to access the spreadsheet - thanks Digeroo :)
I do have a question though - sorry if it was answered earlier but I cannot find. What does the above mean? Is it down to quantity of beans, number of different types or rarity or what?
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I am not sure how I am going to do it hopefully a bit of negiotiation will do the job. Everyone will be able to send a list of their choices. I am keen to ensure that the system is equitable. Any suggestions would be welcome.
The round robin system just did not work. Some people were lucky and others got a very poor selection.
I do want people to feel satisfied with the process.
If anyone feels a bit daunted by the spreadsheet concept please do pm or email me your list for inclusion. I worked with spreadsheets for years so they are second nature to me.
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Well, hopefully people will be satisified :)
I've got about 20 packets of Ice/Crystal Wax to add plus the odd packet of Major Cook's, Gauk, Purple Queen and Kew Blue - but I think it would be sensible to do a germination test first so won't add to the spreadsheet for a few days.
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I don't think there is any hurry at the moment. I am still shelling mine.
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Well, hopefully people will be satisified :)
I've got about 20 packets of Ice/Crystal Wax
Are there as many as 20 people taking part?
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Well, hopefully people will be satisified :)
I've got about 20 packets of Ice/Crystal Wax
Are there as many as 20 people taking part?
Good question ??? what would happen to leftovers?
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Sorry to be a 'Luddite' Digeroo, I would love to join in, have registered on Google but how do I access your spreadsheet - am I going about it the wrong way?
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I was not expecting any leftovers. If you have say 10 and only 5 are chosen I was not expecting people to send the extra to me. I was hoping to do as much sorting and swapping on line and then have one big packet sorting session.
What I am not sure about is if someone offers say 20 assorted packets but only 10 are chosen but then wants to choose 20.
Basically this is a new experience for me so it is a learning curve. Just keep the comments and suggestions coming and between us I am sure we can come to some kind of amicalble agreement.
I personally have lots of some varieties and only a few of others so for some I can produce extra packets if the need arises. I have a huge tub full of Mrs Lewis.
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For anyone who would like to join pm your email addy. I then set this up on the spreadsheet you get an email and follow the link to the spreadsheet.
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I suppose if it looks like there would be more takers than it is offered it can be mentioned before hand ???...Many of the varieties I've got more available...I just haven't bagged up as all that are bagged looks like quite a pile.
But we get there..we just have to get our heads together for the sharing bit ;)
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I was not expecting any leftovers. If you have say 10 and only 5 are chosen I was not expecting people to send the extra to me. I was hoping to do as much sorting and swapping on line and then have one big packet sorting session.
What I am not sure about is if someone offers say 20 assorted packets but only 10 are chosen but then wants to choose 20.
That makes sense - I hadn't realised the swaps are sorted out prior to posting the actual beans hence the question about leftovers.
I think if someone offers 20 and only 10 are chosen they should only get their top ten choices - seems fair to me that way (just my opinion :) )
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for me it sorta makes sense for the people offering the rare/unusual varieties to have first 'bite' of other rare/unusual varieties - and I personally (not being able to offer unusual varieties) would be more than happy to be offered fewer seeds of the unusual varieties just so I could give them a go - if any of that makes sense :-\
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I suppose the only problem with sorting before sending is that some might not actually arrive. But at least unlike the round robin system the whole package will not go missing.
So at the moment I am thinking
1. Start spreadsheet - done ;D
2. Add offers - In progress seems to be going well ;D
3. Everyone makes their choices, preferences and don't wants
4. Allocation :o :o :'( ??? ???
5. Send seed plus stamped address envelope
6. Sort
7. Resend
8. Ignore moans and groans.
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I suppose the only problem with sorting before sending is that some might not actually arrive. But at least unlike the round robin system the whole package will not go missing.
So at the moment I am thinking
1. Start spreadsheet - done ;D
2. Add offers - In progress seems to be going well ;D
3. Everyone makes their choices, preferences and don't wants
4. Allocation :o :o :'( ??? ???
5. Send seed plus stamped address envelope
6. Sort
7. Resend
8. Ignore moans and groans.
9. Graciously accept thanks and applause! :)
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I have saved my seeds for this swap with a intention to get rid when time comes..would anybody have objection if I 'just' send all allocated bags to Digeroo and if any left they can be shared and added as bonus bags if wanted.
Or if Digeroo wants to keep them..so be it.. ;D
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Basically french beans climbers and dwarf mostly come true so your tiger beans will be fine. Runner beans and broad beans are promiscuous so the results are variable unless you manually pollinate.
We are accepting standard varieties but there will be fewer choices. If you read back over this thread it gives the rules etc on page 6 of this thread.
Please pm me your email addy if you would like to join.
Graciously accept thanks and applause!
Lets hope so something is sure to go wrong but hopefully it will work out somehow.
My house is full of beans and other seeds already I don't want too many extra bags. Though it might be nice to have a few extra so those without heritage or unusual varieties can get a foot in the door as it were.
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Ohh...nice to see that the list is growing ;D I think peas and beans are furthest from folks minds at the moment ..other than in soups ::)
Another 2 months and hopefully I can sow first ones into GH...I wish...
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I've got 200 Ice/Crystal Wax dwarf French. Attractive, delicate foliage, bi-coloured peach and white flowers. Filet beans which turn almost white, palest green at eating stage, streaked with mauve as they dry out. A particularly sweet and crisp bean, no strings.
I did suggest I'd swap these earlier, but I'm going to have to duck out for this year because I'm going away soon, most likely before the negotiations are over and I'm not sure I'll make it back in the spring to plant stuff anyhow, though that was my plan.
Anyway it's a shame not to spread the HSL seeds so I'll put these up in swap shop for an SAE. Goodlife, there's a bag with your name on already :)
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Goodlife, there's a bag with your name on already
Ohh..I only just noticed this.... ;D ;D I sent you PM already through the other post ;) GREAT! and THANK YOU of thinking of me ;D ;D
If possible I would like to return the favour..when time is right for you..Hopefully you get back for in time to grow at least something.
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I just thought to remind folks that we haven't done this swap yet ;)
So.......if you got some to get rid of....aquire new ones..... ;) ;)
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There are only eight people on board at the moment. I though perhaps people were a bit tied up with Xmas. I am just going on Hols for a while so will get going big time when I get back. Perhaps people will want to join in then.
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It's a long way yet so I wouldn't expect a rush.
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I've managed to lose the web page for this; can someone remind me where it is?
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There are only eight people on board at the moment. I though perhaps people were a bit tied up with Xmas. I am just going on Hols for a while so will get going big time when I get back. Perhaps people will want to join in then.
oopos sorry.... been busy then got ill, now even busier :d... will try and sort out mine this week, if I get the shed finished tonight.......
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I've got all my beans shelled out now, do you want me to fill in the form?... trouble is I've pretty much got all the beans I want to grow this year already, I could jsut send you some to distibute as you want.....
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I can manage about half a dozen pea varieties.
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Fraid I've only got commercial pea varieties.... though probably some spare Telefono tall peas (Franchi IIRC)
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Don't worry if they are commercial.
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It is so quiet here. Are we still swapping or has this swap been cancelled?
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It is so quiet here. Are we still swapping or has this swap been cancelled?
Digeroo, are you still doing this swap?