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Title: Tartaric Acid for Elderflower cordial
Post by: samela on June 07, 2010, 11:58:50
Hi All

I'm going to try and make some Elderflower cordial and according to HFW's recipe, I need to add tartaric acid so that it will keep.... The only problem is I have no clue to where buy such a thing.... Can anyone help?

Thanks in advance
Sam
Title: Re: Tartaric Acid for Elderflower cordial
Post by: detailista on June 07, 2010, 12:55:05
I would try lakeland if you've got one near you- they sell all sorts of cooking related products like this (I get bread improver from there).

There are lots of online retailers selling it too.
Title: Re: Tartaric Acid for Elderflower cordial
Post by: goodlife on June 07, 2010, 13:34:21
My recipe has citric acid..which is to do same job...I buy mine either from pharmacy or any shop that sell home brewing and wine making things..I think last time I bought some from Wilko..and I'm sure that I saw tartaric acid on shelf too...
Title: Re: Tartaric Acid for Elderflower cordial
Post by: BarriedaleNick on June 07, 2010, 13:40:09
I agree with goodlife - use citric acid (same quantity) but both are available here

http://www.meridianstar.co.uk/citricacid.html

I just made a batch yesterday!

Title: Re: Tartaric Acid for Elderflower cordial
Post by: goodlife on June 07, 2010, 13:40:19
forgot.... you have to ask it from the counter..as they do not keep the actual stuff on shelf...apparently druggies use it to mix it for they stuff... ???..don't ask why or for what.. ???..so that's why it is not freely available...and they may ask you as well what you are using it for... ::)..ooh...it makes you feel like you are doing something naughty with it...
Title: Re: Tartaric Acid for Elderflower cordial
Post by: BarriedaleNick on June 07, 2010, 14:13:09
Yeah people use it to disolve heroin to inject but lemon juice is easier to get!!!
Heroin must be nice if people are willing to inject an acid..errghh!
Title: Re: Tartaric Acid for Elderflower cordial
Post by: goodlife on June 07, 2010, 14:16:52
Oh..that's what they are using for.. ::)..I never dared to ask... ;D..they might think in pharmacy that I'm newbie... ;D
Title: Re: Tartaric Acid for Elderflower cordial
Post by: BarriedaleNick on June 07, 2010, 14:21:32
 ;D Goodlife - the funny thing is that I buy it by the pound - they must think I am a serious user...

(I use it for making bath bombs BTW!)
Title: Re: Tartaric Acid for Elderflower cordial
Post by: goodlife on June 07, 2010, 14:24:26
 ;D ;D ;D..shall we meet in same place with our shopping lists.. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tartaric Acid for Elderflower cordial
Post by: BarriedaleNick on June 07, 2010, 14:28:29
Its a deal  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Tartaric Acid for Elderflower cordial
Post by: goodlife on June 07, 2010, 14:45:27
I'll have polish my halo first...they do use for cleaning kettles so I should work.. ;)
..all this for a bit of cordial.. ::) ;D
Title: Re: Tartaric Acid for Elderflower cordial
Post by: books on June 08, 2010, 22:46:31
you can pop into a Wilkinsons they sell it (winemaking section) although not by the lb
Title: Re: Tartaric Acid for Elderflower cordial
Post by: Jeannine on June 08, 2010, 23:20:38
Try buying salt petre for preserving,same treatment,it is behind the counter cos it's used in bomb making XX Jeannine
Title: Re: Tartaric Acid for Elderflower cordial
Post by: samela on June 09, 2010, 07:59:26
  :)   Thanks everyone.  Have ordered some citric acid and some glass bottles from jamjarshop.com so hopefully I'll be in production soon  - before all the flowers are gone!

Title: Re: Tartaric Acid for Elderflower cordial
Post by: goodlife on June 09, 2010, 08:45:10
I'm hoping to do my cordial next week..bushes are laden with flower heads ..still in bud..so the 'crop' should be good one ;D As I have lots and lots of elderflower growing in my lottie's hedgerow I always use at least double the amount of flowers than the recipe calls for..I soak as much I can get under the syrup..I even put plastic lid with weight on so I can really squeeze maximum amount in... ::)...and I try to cut all possible stalks out so it is just flowers (less bulk)..
The smell in kitchen is wonderful while it is soaking.... one of the best things in summer... ;D ;D
 
Title: Re: Tartaric Acid for Elderflower cordial
Post by: BarriedaleNick on June 09, 2010, 09:27:37
Does anyone add lemons/limes/oranges to the mash??

Just made a batch which called for Oranges and Lemons but I'm not sure about it - almost too citrus like...
Title: Re: Tartaric Acid for Elderflower cordial
Post by: goodlife on June 09, 2010, 09:33:42
Yes..I do.. few lemons and oranges..that's a other reason I use lots of flowers too...I like my cordial being strongly flavoured with elderflower..but it is a little bland without a bit of added extras.. ;)
Title: Re: Tartaric Acid for Elderflower cordial
Post by: BarriedaleNick on June 09, 2010, 10:18:12
Don't suppose you have a receipe goodlife??  :)
Title: Re: Tartaric Acid for Elderflower cordial
Post by: goodlife on June 09, 2010, 17:43:18
sure...something among these lines...
30 elderflower heads
3 litres boiling water
900g caster sugar
1 pkt of citric acid
2 oranges , sliced
3 lemons , sliced

That was the official amounts..but I double the flowers..almost..and instead just caster sugar I use some demerara or golden too.. ;)

I sink all flower heads into bucket of water to get rid of insects..drain and cut most of the stalks off.
Put sugar in large bowl/container/pan....and pour over boiling water..stir and leave it to cool.
Once cool add acid, orange, lemon slices (washed and unwaxed would be nice)and flowers. Cover with lid/towel and leave it to stand in 'cool' (that's room temp for me) for 24 hrs....when you remember give it a stir...after infusion strain and bottle. ...nice with sparkling water... ;)
as I use more flowers than in recipe..I put plate or lid with some sort of weight on top to sink all flowers into liquid.. it makes quite strong tasting cordial..but then again I dilute it quite a lot with water so it doesn't taste that sweet anymore..and you still taste the elderflower... ;D
Title: Re: Tartaric Acid for Elderflower cordial
Post by: BarriedaleNick on June 09, 2010, 18:36:14
Cheers goodlife - similar to one I used but you make yours sound so much nicer - maybe more flower heads are the key!
Title: Re: Tartaric Acid for Elderflower cordial
Post by: samela on June 10, 2010, 08:14:46
Yes, thanks goodlife. Think I'll try your recipe too. Sounds yummy :)
Title: Re: Tartaric Acid for Elderflower cordial
Post by: artichoke on June 13, 2010, 08:43:05
It can be fiddly back at home cutting the stalks off, and if you don't they seem to add their horrible smell to the mix. I grab a head of flowers on the tree with one hand, slice it off the tree with scissors with the other, very close to the flowers, and drop the handful of loose flowers into a bag slung over my arm. It's quite quick, just in case  it's useful to anyone else.

I always add citric acid to bring out the lemon flavour, and because it doesn't keep for very long, I freeze the syrup in yoghurt pots. Because it is syrupy it stays slightly soft, and a frozen teaspoonful in a glass of water is cooling and delicious.
Title: Re: Tartaric Acid for Elderflower cordial
Post by: artichoke on June 16, 2010, 12:08:10
http://www.meridianstar.co.uk/citricacid.html


Thank you very much for putting up this website - the citric acid arrived in about 3 days, and is a much better price than buying fiddly little packs at the chemist (who tend to run out at this time of year).
Title: Re: Tartaric Acid for Elderflower cordial
Post by: BarriedaleNick on June 17, 2010, 19:56:10
http://www.meridianstar.co.uk/citricacid.html


Thank you very much for putting up this website - the citric acid arrived in about 3 days, and is a much better price than buying fiddly little packs at the chemist (who tend to run out at this time of year).

No worries!  I just made up a batch of goodlife's recipe - well at the weekend - was just sat in the garden with some sparkling cordial and it's lovely!  The trick is definitely to use as many flower heads as possible...
Title: Re: Tartaric Acid for Elderflower cordial
Post by: caroline7758 on June 21, 2010, 14:49:40
Thought you might like to know, having tried Wilkinson's and my local home-brew shop to no avail, I got some from Tesco's- one with a separate pharmacy. Just made my cordial- hope ie's better than last year's- think I left it too late in the season, wasn't nice at all. >:(
Title: Re: Tartaric Acid for Elderflower cordial
Post by: greenstar on June 28, 2010, 16:21:35
Does anyone know whether I can add the citric acid after the cordial's been bottled?  I made a couple of bottles the other week - my first attempt ever - and forgot to put it in.  And how long does the cordial keep - I see a few people are saying to freeze it.

Should I just chuck that lot and start again? :-\

Title: Re: Tartaric Acid for Elderflower cordial
Post by: artichoke on June 28, 2010, 22:09:33
You can't chuck it! I don't see why it makes the slightest difference if you put the citric acid in after bottling, and shake it up a bit.

I freeze mine because I intend it to last all year round, and I know it doesn't unless frozen, citric acid or not.
Title: Re: Tartaric Acid for Elderflower cordial
Post by: greenstar on July 01, 2010, 22:09:23
Thanks artichoke, I'm off to experiment.  Any idea how much citric acid I should put in a 75cl bottle?
Title: Re: Tartaric Acid for Elderflower cordial
Post by: artichoke on July 06, 2010, 11:15:58
I have been using 50gm citric acid to 1.2 l of water (plus the sugar and flowers) so although I can't do the sum I'm sure you can. Let's say a teaspoon per bottle!

To be honest, I add it for the sharp flavour in lieu of buying and squeezing masses of lemons. So if a teaspoon in the first bottle tastes good to you when diluted, I would follow your taste buds.

Lots of people say they never use citric acid anyway, so it's a matter of personal tastebuds rather than a crucial factor in the recipe.
Title: Re: Tartaric Acid for Elderflower cordial
Post by: sunloving on July 06, 2010, 20:08:46
This year was my first year of making this yummy stuff which im very proud of. But finding the citric acid was a problem the worst place was boots pharmacy where i was scowled at by a middle aged lady with to much make up who said loudly to her collegue , "its for drugies that citric acid"

after being charmed by the boots ladies i popped into the brew shop in lancaster and had a nice chat with a gorgeous assitant who said he'd had lots of people comming in with simular anecdotes and was happy to serve me with mine. I bought 500g becuase i hated going in chemists to be looked down at so it will do me for years to come!


unfortunately the blosoms over here! oh well. can you make elderberry cordial?
x sunloving
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