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General => The Shed => Topic started by: ACE on October 16, 2009, 20:49:59
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Re: HES BACK
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I think this thread has now run it's course.
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At the whim of a Mod we have been censored
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You off? By then.
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'I think this thread has now run it's course.'
I've not read it - or much else recently - but with punctuation like that I can understand your need to leave. ;)
G x
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You off? By then.
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I'm glad that thread was stopped, and I thought Diggeroo's comtribution was most timely.
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Don't say I didn't warn you.
You tinpot mods cannot censor people who have no intention of being censored and should bear in mind that if only a dozen key players left, 2-300 regulars would also get fed up and leave. This in turn would lead to each post being answered by a mod whose words cannot be challenged. Death of the forum.
Brilliant forums can be broken in only a few months. If Dan cannot be bothered anymore he should sell it off while it still works.
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I was watching that thread and I think it had a pretty good run.Surely when it comes to exposing peoples name and address it it going too far
and time to call a halt. ???
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exactly. Quite what we were supposed to do with it I wouldn't like to think
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I'm glad that thread was stopped, and I thought Diggeroo's comtribution was most timely.
And you're not alone. A few people were becoming a little uncomfortable with it, myself included and whilst I was umming and ahhhing in my head (as I tend to be a bit of a dilly dally) Ceres solved the matter :)
If I remember rightly, the exact same thing happened a while back and Dan had to step in with a few words and lock the thread.
You tinpot mods cannot censor people who have no intention of being censored and should bear in mind that if only a dozen key players left, 2-300 regulars would also get fed up and leave. This in turn would lead to each post being answered by a mod whose words cannot be challenged. Death of the forum.
Brilliant forums can be broken in only a few months. If Dan cannot be bothered anymore he should sell it off while it still works.
Overreact much? ::) :P
Surely when it comes to exposing peoples name and address it it going too far
and time to call a halt. ???
^^ and this!
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That individual has knowingly made his name, address, work address, job description, qualifications, photos of himself etc... publicly available on the internet. All of which can be found in a few minutes by anyone with internet access. If they make the information available in the first place then linking to it hardly counts as exposing their identity, they have already done that themselves.
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I say a thread has run its course when no one posts anymore.
A forum has run its course when mods start deleting or closing threads willy nilly.
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That individual has knowingly made his name, address, work address, job description, qualifications, photos of himself etc... publicly available on the internet. All of which can be found in a few minutes by anyone with internet access. If they make the information available in the first place then linking to it hardly counts as exposing their identity, they have already done that themselves.
that's not right. People here still have their proper emails in their profiles without realising what might happen
what do we need to know his details in the real world for except to cause trouble?
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Try typing your email address or even your name into google, in most instances it reveals little if anything about you. Information about people can usually only be found on the internet if they make it available themelves.
If you do find any information about yourself that you don't want to be publicly available it is possible to get it removed.
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from before everything was really digital, if you typed my name in, you got links to pages with scanned documents with my full name. address, phone no and email address. it was very annoying and lasted years. Necessary stuff, but not of my doing
Now they've sorted themselves out, type my name and realise that i'm not a cameraman working on Indian TV, you get the same documents and others in digital format, but if you want to know the (out of date) details about me, you have to pay $14.95. I assume it's the same info. If you were interested enough, you could still find your way to me reasonably easily
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???
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/1999/mar/31/guardianletters2
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Not too sure about that I googled myself a couple of years ago because some one knew something about me that was not general knowledge and I found 72 reports about me. If you are mentioned in a newspaper, magazine ,parish report or similar then you are likely to be on the net.
Try typing your email address or even your name into google, in most instances it reveals little if anything about you. Information about people can usually only be found on the internet if they make it available themelves.
If you do find any information about yourself that you don't want to be publicly available it is possible to get it removed.
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1999
Jenny evans was a scary woman. That was the last but one incarnation.
They have a very well received new cd
here's a fan created video of one of the new songs "(Waiting For You And) England To Return". I think he posted it to the Royal British Legion. Quite moving actually. Actually it's very moving, I have trouble getting to the end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HpcfEA7yzw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HpcfEA7yzw)
Love and Rhubarb!
Thanks for that "." Cheered me up no end, in a good sad kind of way
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I say a thread has run its course when no one posts anymore.
And so do i.
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I say a thread has run its course when no one posts anymore.
And so do i.
I agree ;D ;D
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I say a thread has run its course when no one posts anymore.
And so do i.
I agree ;D ;D
Me too. Weren't we told the new mods were to stamp out fires, like when a crazy ex starts stalking someone, not to prevent publicly available information being quoted?
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Me too, I have largely stopped reading the forum over the last few weeks when it became apparent that anyone ever posting about Aminopolyprid would be quashed / ridiculed by Ceres in a 'I own that topic and I'm a prefect' kind of way.
Seems to be a bit of poacher turned gamekeeper going on unfortunately.
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This forum has to have moderators otherwise a few people would take great delight in causing chaos and turning it into a complete shambles!
Whoever does the job has a thankless task at the best of times and I think that we should be grateful that there are people who are prepared to do it.
Many won't agree with what they do but I doubt that the detractors could do any better, and would probably find that if they were doing it that they'd get slated in just the same way.
Sadly I think that there have too many rather petty comments on this, and some other topics, here recently.
However I still think that's it's a good forum and I'm quite happy to openly support, and thank, the moderators for doing their best to keep it that way.
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Well said, Flighty!
Being "in charge" of anything is a thankless task. But someone has to do it, and I'm very glad it's not me.
Can we all stop bickering and get back to gardening now, please?
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Me too, I have largely stopped reading the forum over the last few weeks when it became apparent that anyone ever posting about Aminopolyprid would be quashed / ridiculed by Ceres in a 'I own that topic and I'm a prefect' kind of way.
Seems to be a bit of poacher turned gamekeeper going on unfortunately.
Hi all
I've really valued this forum and hopefully will do for some time to come - it really is worth it. My own opinion is maybe moderators need to be aware that a wide range of opinion is what makes this site work and is its greatest asset - any feeling that our opinions are quashed/picked to pieces will surely signal the beginning of the end. Its the users that make this site - if you want to be a mod then surely the best compliment is that no-one really notices you. I'm not sure that is always the case.
I hope we all regain a sense of humour and live and let live.
Psi
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you can certainly over moderate and cause more problems with that - perhaps it would have been a good idea to have had a referendum about it
being an owner of a forum myself I believe moderation should be 'invisible', i.e. there are always better ways of curtailing a discussion
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I say a thread has run its course when no one posts anymore.
And so do i.
I agree ;D ;D
Me too.
And me.
I thought the new Mods were there to fire fight any "Emergencies" in Dans absence..
"HES BACK" was not an emergency and should have been left to the discretion of Dan.
(or maybe it was (?) which is why it ran until a Mod-ette closed it.
If an individual post was out of hand, surly, just modify/remove that post. Not the whole thread.
I'd be interested to know what Dan's view is .
... if you want to know the (out of date) details about me, you have to pay $14.95.
I'd happily pay $14.95 to hear a little less detail of ACE's personal life. ;)
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I fail to see why a discussion about Grid Gardener should be closed. He is a well known troll, flamer and sock puppet who has been causing trouble on a number of boards for years. He has had over 30 incarnations on the Beeb alone.
Whether or not his behaviour is a result or a personality disorder or a brain malfunction the fact remains that he delights in upsetting people, being rude, obnoxious and hurtful to anyone who dares to argue with him.
New posters and those who do not immediately recognise his latest persona need to be warned about him since moderators across the boards seem unable to prevent his popping up again in a new guise.
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The issue seems to be about his name & address. Yet he openly gives his real name & hometown in profile information on numerous forums & other types of website all of which can be found in a few minutes if you have the inclination to look for it.
His address was never given out, a link to the US equivalent of directory enquiries was posted but his address was never quoted or linked too. Anyone who has chosen to look up his address has done so off their own back & could of done so wether the link to whitepages had been posted or not.
I fail to see what the problem is.
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Surely it is the principle?
OK that guy may deserve what he gets but what if all over the forum someone decides they don't like such and such and they make clear the clues left to their ident and location.
I doubt if many people would be comfortable if that was normal practise and would hesitate to post.
How many of us would be so free with our opinions if you had to say it to that persons face?
I think it would be a dangerous practise.
We all have different opinions and the mod is there to do just that.Moderate.
I do not think Ceres has done anything wrong.
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ain,t we just suppose to be gardening folk getting tips ??
not moaning on here :-X :-X
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IT's the shed Graceland, thats where the folks come to moan, its that time of year when its getting too dark or cold or people are a bit under the weather to spend more time on their lottie. So they come on here more to moan and groan. We'll be moaning about kids begging on Halloween soon, then the fireworks saga which we have every year, although thats started early this year. But argue away, it shouldn't be a problem, but some peeps do get a bit to personal, I can see both sides of the arguement but I don't think Baccy has done anything wrong, read what he actually says, the mods will never be right what ever they do, but I do think it was unecessary to halt the thread, Merry Xmas, CK .I forgot to add, while your all argueing he has no need to post , your doing the job for him. :P ;D ;D ;D
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In my opinion and thats all it is. Everytime this person posts on here there is disharmony. I admit that I did take the bait this time and answered one of their posts. In future I am going to ignore such and get on with the nicer parts of this forum.
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This person can be blocked via his IP address ! that would end all the trouble, no matter what he decideds to call himself the ip address wil be blocked !
Time to stop the in fighting and get back to rubbing along together and sharing lottie tips and advice, life is to short to fight in cyber space !
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So the cretin's won has he? Long-term members have gone off in a huff; the mods have got it in the neck for taking a stand; even Dan's being attacked.
This is The Shed, not The Watershed - it's open to non-members. Would you join with all this going on?
Can I assure non-members - this forum IS worth joining. It's a mine of information. I personally couldn't have got through the last two years of difficult Secretary-ship without it. And I know that newcomers to allotments & gardening find it brilliant.
And we can't let it be wrecked by one person. He's a trouble-maker. Ignore him - all of you!!
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Because I just whizz in and out at work I miss a lot of excitement and drama!
It has taken me ages today to reckon what is going on!!
Stil - as has been said - not much to do up the lottie so everyone is a bit at a loose end really!
I hope that the site returns to normal - a bit of a moan here and grumble there and the odd bit of sniping - all done in impeccably good taste of course!
Hopefully all will be back to normal soon!
Old Bird
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This person can be blocked via his IP address ! that would end all the trouble, no matter what he decideds to call himself the ip address wil be blocked !
No he can't banning IP's or email addresses is only effective against bots not people.
The majority of people have dynamic IP adresses if his is blocked obtaining a new one can be as simple as switching his modem off & on again or he could use a proxy. Blocking his email address would be similarly ineffective as there are so many companies offering free email accounts. A cookie based ban can be easily removed by clearing your browsers cache.
There are ways to deal with persistent trolls but it is usually a time consuming process.
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can i ask a stupid question please
does it say anywhere that the closure was because his address has been given?
i would have thought that (him) threatening people would have been enough?
or have i missunderstood, maybe "As for me going to UK in 2012 that will be to sell my book and deal with a few trouble makers I encountered on several boards. " isnt a threat?
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Just came back on here and the main topic of conversation is Guess Who and they haven't even posted today. ::)
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Im a mod on 2 other boards and it is possible to block and IP address as we have done it, all we have to do is check it every now and then to ensure it has not changed, works fine on a board twice the size of this one.
Why let one person mess up a great site ???
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First off saying i will dealing with few trouble maker is not making a threat. Saying a person will commit acts against a person or property of someone is a threat.
Second and person in Uk should be aware that giving out the personal info another even if it is available internet is illegal in UK.
Third persons in USA can legal own and carry firearms in many case that are not legal in UK.
Fourth injuring a stalker or someone planning to attack you in USA is not crime.
Fifth I live 100 miles from a rural area with one of highest unreported murder rates in USA.
Sixth the area is mountains 1000 miles long.
Seventh most you have your allotment location posted on you profiles.
Eighth responding to personal attack is not being a troll.
Ninth you all started by attack me first. So if don't want me to respond in kind don't attack me.in other words(if can't stand the heat don't play with fire.)
Tenth good bye mister troll you will not missed.
Eleventh fights and disagreement from other message boards should stay there and not be brought to this board.
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does it say anywhere that the closure was because his address has been given?
Ceres did not give a specific reason for locking the thread & has chosen not to comment on her reasons for doing so. That seems to be the way she is choosing to moderate the forum, there are 2 threads in the 'Allotment Movement' section which have been locked & moved due to a "temporary glitch" other threads have been locked & moved with similarly obscure reasons given. Only Ceres can say why she chooses to lock and/or move threads if she chooses not to then we can only speculate.
Several people participating in this thread have commented about a name & address being given which is why I addressed those points.
Im a mod on 2 other boards and it is possible to block and IP address as we have done it, all we have to do is check it every now and then to ensure it has not changed, works fine on a board twice the size of this one.
It is indeed possible to block an IP address & as I have already said it takes seconds to obtain a new IP. In fact it is possible for one person to simultaneously log on to multiple accounts each with their own IP address from the same computer. Clearly you haven't had to deal with anyone awkward on the boards you moderate, I have on several occasions.
Second and person in Uk should be aware that giving out the personal info another even if it is available internet is illegal in UK.
You may want to read the data protection act before making such a sweeping statement, nothing that was posted breached it.
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In view of several remarks made about her here, and elsewhere, which I consider to have been somewhat offensive I would be rather surprised if Ceres comments anywhere on this forum again.
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In view of several remarks made about her here, and elsewhere, which I consider to have been somewhat offensive I would be rather surprised if Ceres comments anywhere on this forum again.
I hope not. I'm friends with her on fb as well as here, and would would always stick up for her, but I would also (as would she!) say when I disagree...
I thought this conversation was about modding in general (and how much of it is needed), not Ceres ???
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Ollie what is fb?
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face book
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Ollie what is fb?
Facebook I think Flighty :)
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Tony and Wilko thanks, as you may have guessed I'm not a member there!
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I say a thread has run its course when no one posts anymore.
A forum has run its course when mods start deleting or closing threads willy nilly.
Absolutely.
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Maybe is was a good thing that everyone had a bit of time to reflect. It was quite possible to start a slightly different thread.
The thread should have been stopped when someones name and address appeared. I think that there has been a lack of understand towards several people.
I fully believe that both Plainleaf2 and Ceres have been the subject of unnecessary posts. Please folks be a little more understanding.
Ceres has only just taken on being a Moderator. Yes she should have given a reason, but perhaps she just had a gut feeling. After all referees do not necessarily have to explain themselves and they do not always have to be right.
Hunting with hounds is illegal and the quarry appears to have gone to ground. I hope if it breaks cover again in the future everyone can be a little more welcoming.
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Tell me if I'm missing something, but wasn't the original thread locked because it's sole purpose was to snide about another poster? That's not healthy, OK.
I think some of you owe Ceres an apology.
And next time, please just flounce, don't announce.
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Actually the thread was closed after I was explaining why I felt that other poster should be given a bit more space. But I agree with her the whole thing had got out of hand.
Please so not think that my post above is saying that I think Ceres was wrong, but that any referree may be allowed to be wrong.
She made a decision and I felt a bit frustrated at the time but in hindsight it gave a bit of space for reflection.
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Cornykev summed it up perfectly for me
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I agree with Mike77. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D