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General => The Shed => Topic started by: simmo116 on May 15, 2009, 17:52:26
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got home today to find out that a teacher at school called my eldest son a d**k head in class and was witnessed by another member of staff. there's nobody at the school now so have to wait untill monday... i cant say how angry i am.....
he said that all he was doing was working out his sums out loud.and this so called teacher came over and called him a dick head right in his face.i knew we should have never of sent him to that school.every day there has been an incident of sorts. not involving my son thank god. some one was stabed the other month.!
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no wonder you're fuming, simmo..there's absolutely no excuse for anyone to call someone that, much less a teacher !!!
go get him >:(
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i want to take this as far as i can possibly go. id like nothing more than to go in an deck him! but im bigger than that. does anyone have any advise on what course of action i should take.?
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Take a breath simmo, you are rightly angry and it's understandable,
best thing--- is to go and see the head master / mistress and lodge a complaint
against that teacher, wouldn't mention it to your son or advertise your intentions -
could bring on bullying ? Once you have thier attention, ask for the teacher to
give your son a private appology in front of the head of school.
floss xxx
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I would ask for an apology in front of the class, thats where he made the comment and thats where he should apologise. >:(
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I would be looking for hard cash!! Local law centre?
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No excuse for using language like that. My advice Simmo would be to contact the head teacher to register your concern and at the same time ask for the contact address for the Chair of Goveners as you will be writing to them. That will focus their minds and I bet you'll be invited in for tea and bikkies and your lad will get his apology. Wonder what would be happening right now if your child called the teacher a D**k Head!!
They don't like it up em you know!!! ;) ;)
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If it was me I would go directly to the goveners.
You can get the contact details from the school secretary. Send them a letter explaining what happened and how strongly you feel about the situation, I would even mention that you are considering contacting local paper etc.
I think if you go to the school first they will have time to prepare excuses etc, when one of the goveners rings or visits the school wanting to know why a teacher has used such language there will be no time to prepare or cover anything up.
I wouldn't rest untill the teacher is sacked!
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As Flossy said go straight to the head teacher, we have issues with a teacher right now and the head is the only person that can deal with it.
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I wouldn't rest untill the teacher is sacked!
That's drastic! Whilst I agree that the teacher was wrong to say this, it's hardly a sacking offence. Are you absolutely sure it was said without humour?
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I know its dratic but if Simmo's son had called the teacher that then I am sure he would have been suspended from the shool.
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On a technicality the teacher works for the authority and a Head can't sack them, the Governors can. The GTC wouldn't strike you off for that, one teacher was caught doing drugs and wasn't sacked... :-X
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Don't you think you're overreacting. Just maybe he is a dick[/b][/b]head.
It's this modern mamby pamby reaction that is dumbing down education. Sit the kid down and help him learn to do his sums properly and tell him to have more respect for the teacher.
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My son was once asked by a teacher why his mother hadn't brought him up properly which although he was probably being a pain, could have been a very insensitive comment to make.
Anyway, my son replied that his mother was in hospital and watched the teacher's face fall......and then said.......'Yes Miss, she is a nurse'
And yes, he was a cocky little so and so, but it still makes me laugh.
Seriously though, I hope it made the teacher think that some off the cuff remarks are totally inappropriate.
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Don't you think you're overreacting. Just maybe he is a dick[/b][/b]head.
It's this modern mamby pamby reaction that is dumbing down education. Sit the kid down and help him learn to do his sums properly and tell him to have more respect for the teacher.
I just can't believe these comments!The teacher should lead by example.I would report this straight to the board of governors.Who in turn will discuss with the head teacher.
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No doubt a lot would find the phrase di*ckhead unacceptable under any circumstances but teaching has changed since the 'sit down, shut up and listen' days. Teachers are dealing with children who are a whole lot more opinionated, streetwise and confident in dealing with adults than any previous generation. Sometimes they may have to resort to using 'street vernacular' in order to garner any respect or understanding. Not ideal but realistic. But teachers are generally a lot nicer to pupils than they used to be. My Mum used to get a ruler across her knuckles for getting her sums wrong and our teachers threw board rubbers at us. I am also sure that they hear a lot worse every day from students and yet the students aren't suspended every time they say a word stronger than 'gosh'. To call for someone to actually lose their job over this would certainly seem extremely harsh to me.
I would certainly want to hear the other side of the story and a little more about the context - are you sure your son isn't playing his part/behaviour down? If he was messing around and the teacher said 'don't be such a d*ckhead', it is very different to a teacher calling him that when your son was just doing his best to work out the sums.
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With all due respect, I find Eristic & SkyBlu's comments outrageous! I don't care how much life has changed since we were at school, how dare a teacher think it's acceptable to call a pupil a d!ckhead!!! I've taught before and my best friend is a secondary school teacher so I know only too well how hard and frustrating it is these days but I'd still not resort to that behaviour.
Simmo, in your shoes I think I would write to the head and copy on to the governors at the same time so everybody is aware of the situation at the same time. Request a meeting between yourself, the head, the teacher in question and your son and explain just what you think of this. Incidentally, how is your son about this other than being embarrassed in front of fellow pupils?
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For crying out loud.
Get a life!
The little twerp is going to get called a lot worse than that before much longer, especially if he can't even add up.
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In my opinion Simmo - if you don't get a response you like from the head - I'd go to your local papers and expose the school and this teacher. Nobody deserves to be called anything derogatory in front of their peers by someone in authority just to cause humilation. The teacher should at least recieve a warning and make an apology to your satisfaction. Kids are horrible these days - but a teacher should never lose their composure - otherwise the kids have won and the teacher loses all credibilty. I'd make sure you have the full story from your son warts and all so you dont get any egg on your face though. Nothing like marching into school with a bee in your bonnet and your child embarrassing you!
Hope you get it all sorted. Try and have a good weekend - after all you can't do anything til monday.
Take care - Nik
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Insist on a appology Simmo.
Then DECK HIM ;D ;D
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I would get the facts, hear what the teacher has to say. Children have an amazing way of defusing the truth !! It may not of been said in a nasty way and to be honest there would be things that would bother me more.
For crying out loud.
Get a life!
The little twerp is going to get called a lot worse than that before much longer, especially if he can't even add up.
And as for this comment. Jeez. How rude. I wonder how you would feel if I came to you and said that about your family.
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yes, how outrageous of me to think that there might be 2 sides to the story and that it may not have been said in the way the child is portraying. If a child is messing around and hamming it up then the comment can have been made jokingly, even affectionately - but no! let's not bother to find out, let's just hang him first and ask questions later.
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If the boy was being a d**khead well done that teacher! To often these days our children literally get away with murder. If not an apology should suffice. Talk of violence is ill advised and as for sueing even in our ridiculous litigious society I think it would be laughed out of court. Take a deep breath and as others have advised check there isn't another side to this.
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One of my daughters teachers swore at her class in Polish!! My daughter knew what the Polish teacher had sworn and told a friend who told a friend etc etc until it was round the school that this teacher was a TERRIBLE teacher as she swore at the kids.
I demanded that my daughter was removed from that Class with immediate effect, without hearing the other side of the story. I was shocked to hear the truth when I went to the school. A small group of boys caused this teacher a lot of grief.
It turned out that this poor teacher was harassed and abused by 11 year olds because she was foreign and lost her patience and swore under her breath in Polish.
I agree, before getting mad and jumping to any conclusions, go and see the head and calmly ask what happened :)
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How things have changed at school, I would sooner be called a Dick Head by my teacher than have seven kinds of Crap knocked out of me by my woodwork teacher,
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well id just like to say thankx eristic for your lovely comments.
For crying out loud.
Get a life!
The little twerp is going to get called a lot worse than that before much longer, especially if he can't even add up.
Don't you think you're overreacting. Just maybe he is a dick[/b][/b]head.
It's this modern mamby pamby reaction that is dumbing down education. Sit the kid down and help him learn to do his sums properly and tell him to have more respect for the teacher.
how dare you.
you dont know my son! top of his year! house captain! football team captain!never had a detention!
just like you this teacher was out of order!
and if you think im over reacting see how you feel if i come and stick my pitch fork where the sun dont shine you insensitive TW*T!
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No excuse for using language like that. My advice Simmo would be to contact the head teacher to register your concern and at the same time ask for the contact address for the Chair of Goveners as you will be writing to them. That will focus their minds and I bet you'll be invited in for tea and bikkies and your lad will get his apology. Wonder what would be happening right now if your child called the teacher a D**k Head!!
They don't like it up em you know!!! ;) ;)
I think they'd be sent out the class and that'd be about it, with maybe some lines. Kids are allowed to be far more abusive to teachers than they used to. They have the power now, which I think is very wrong.
I know what he said was wrong but there's no way I'd be a teacher these days, perhaps your son was unlucky and got the teachers frustrations that had built up due to having to bow to all the troublemakers over the years.
I don't know if I'd want to destroy someones carrer because of one insult. Unless of course he's a notoriously awful teacher who regularly bullies certain kids.
Its easy to sit back and judge teachers but there's no way I could do it with teenage kids. I think I'd want to strangle them.
I think there are some extreme comments here.
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As a teacher myself, the comment was unacceptable, But, before you go in all guns blazing get the other side of the story. If the teacher has said this they will already be in alot of trouble. Even the nicest of kids can behave inappropriately at times. I am not saying your son did, but getting a balanced view is important. Some of the things that have been said to me in my job I could not post on here. Most of these were when I did a bit of odd day supply in inner city Manchester, but they are shocking. Saying this, I have worked at selective schools where the students have also, though in the minority, been very rude and difficult. I have never sworn at a student and I am known for keeping my cool, but I can tell you from experience that it is hard at times! The swearing is not excusable, but showing your son that investigating in a fair and pragmatic way is important too.
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No excuse for using language like that. My advice Simmo would be to contact the head teacher to register your concern and at the same time ask for the contact address for the Chair of Goveners as you will be writing to them. That will focus their minds and I bet you'll be invited in for tea and bikkies and your lad will get his apology. Wonder what would be happening right now if your child called the teacher a D**k Head!!
They don't like it up em you know!!! ;) ;)
I think they'd be sent out the class and that'd be about it, with maybe some lines. Kids are allowed to be far more abusive to teachers than they used to. They have the power now, which I think is very wrong.
I know what he said was wrong but there's no way I'd be a teacher these days, perhaps your son was unlucky and got the teachers frustrations that had built up due to having to bow to all the troublemakers over the years.
I don't know if I'd want to destroy someones carrer because of one insult. Unless of course he's a notoriously awful teacher who regularly bullies certain kids.
Its easy to sit back and judge teachers but there's no way I could do it with teenage kids. I think I'd want to strangle them.
I think there are some extreme comments here about sacking the teacher. I'd love to know how 'perfect' everyone in this forum is when they're at work.
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I'm generally a lurker but really had to reply to this. Some of the comments on this thread are outragious and very rude. I hope that new members aren't put off from posting on this forum as most members are very helpful and polite, apart from a selective few!
Now back on topic, on Monday morning i would go and see the headteacher and calmly put your complaint to him/her (don't give anybody the satisfaction of beging angry, you may say something you'll regret) and also write to the governors explaining what happened to your son.
Under no circumstances is it okay to swear at a child, he is just that a child!
Good luck and please keep us informed on future developments
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Is a teacher to be sacked for a comment like this, I think not. there are more things to think about than a silly comment. made by a teacher in the heat of the moment,
June
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All this reminds me of the story that Stan Boardman tells about when he was at school in Liverpool and he thought his name was TW-T because the teacher was always cracking him around the head and calling him a TW-T, ;D ;D
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The language the kids use today is different from that which was used when we were young.Dickhead today would probably have meant Duffer or similar when we were young. It's totally different these days. I remember when my kids were at school how outraged we were when the kids were encouraged to call the teacher by their christian name. This was the start of the slippery slope as far as I'm concerned. Lack of respect on both sides
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I thought this was going to get heated so will not add my opinion as you know your own child. Hope you get it sorted to your satisfaction on Monday. If you are not happy with the school generally, apart from this one incident, may be worth trying to change schools.
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I'm afraid I fell foul of my woodwork teacher when I told him to go away in two words and this was in 1962, no messing he marched me out the woodwork class in to the cloakroom, he had come from working in industry to be a woodwork teacher, he got hold of me by the lapels threatend to knock seven kinds of crap out of me with language that would make a sailor blush, lesson learnt, ;)
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I agree with Flunky, that it's really best to take a calm view of it, and wait to get to the bottom of the incident after hearing both sides of the story.
I used to help out in my oldest daughter's primary school class one morning a week, and it was quite amusing to hear her when she came from school full of tales of what had happened in class that day, and her version was entirely different from what I witnessed. I don't think they necessarily tell lies, but children are very egocentric, and can only see things from their own point of view. Not to mention that if they think they may be in the wrong, they will quickly convince themselves they weren't. So while your son may be well convinced he is being totally truthful, and full of injured innocence, things may not have occurred exactly as he says.
There are usually, as the saying goes, three sides to every story. His side, her side, and the truth. :)
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No excuse for using language like that. My advice Simmo would be to contact the head teacher to register your concern and at the same time ask for the contact address for the Chair of Goveners as you will be writing to them. That will focus their minds and I bet you'll be invited in for tea and bikkies and your lad will get his apology. Wonder what would be happening right now if your child called the teacher a D**k Head!!
They don't like it up em you know!!! ;) ;)
I think they'd be sent out the class and that'd be about it, with maybe some lines. Kids are allowed to be far more abusive to teachers than they used to. They have the power now, which I think is very wrong.
I know what he said was wrong but there's no way I'd be a teacher these days, perhaps your son was unlucky and got the teachers frustrations that had built up due to having to bow to all the troublemakers over the years.
I don't know if I'd want to destroy someones carrer because of one insult. Unless of course he's a notoriously awful teacher who regularly bullies certain kids.
Its easy to sit back and judge teachers but there's no way I could do it with teenage kids. I think I'd want to strangle them.
I think there are some extreme comments here.
I thought my comments were quite passive compared to some in this thread. Can't understand why you feel mine are extreme Sawfish! ???
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I would support the teacher. I have 3 sons[now adult], and believe me what they could get up to was beyond belief unless you have had boys. I might mention it to the teacher at Parents Evening, but I don,t think you should in anyway under mind his authority. I will wait for the replies.
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I had a similar thing happen with my daughter. She had her work screwed up in front of evryone and got told it was crap. I wrote to her form tutor who investegated what had happend. It turned out that this was just one of 4 substitute teachers in the maths class that term and whose teaching method did not suit my daughter. She was put into another teachers class whose style did suit her and whose class she had already been taken out of earlier in the year due to high class numbers. This was despite us fighting to have her put in that class originally. Go to the school and get it sorted out. Try not to get angry as that will just make it worse. My daughter did get an apology >:(
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No excuse for using language like that. My advice Simmo would be to contact the head teacher to register your concern and at the same time ask for the contact address for the Chair of Goveners as you will be writing to them. That will focus their minds and I bet you'll be invited in for tea and bikkies and your lad will get his apology. Wonder what would be happening right now if your child called the teacher a D**k Head!!
They don't like it up em you know!!! ;) ;)
I think they'd be sent out the class and that'd be about it, with maybe some lines. Kids are allowed to be far more abusive to teachers than they used to. They have the power now, which I think is very wrong.
I know what he said was wrong but there's no way I'd be a teacher these days, perhaps your son was unlucky and got the teachers frustrations that had built up due to having to bow to all the troublemakers over the years.
I don't know if I'd want to destroy someones carrer because of one insult. Unless of course he's a notoriously awful teacher who regularly bullies certain kids.
Its easy to sit back and judge teachers but there's no way I could do it with teenage kids. I think I'd want to strangle them.
I think there are some extreme comments here.
I thought my comments were quite passive compared to some in this thread. Can't understand why you feel mine are extreme Sawfish! ???
Sorry, yours are quite mild.
To be honest I dont think I'd have noticed if the teacher had called me something so silly as that. I may even have found it funny. I was always being called this and that by teachers, big deal. Kids must be pretty easily hurt nowadays.
Perhaps they know they'll get the teacher into trouble easily if they mention it to a parent, thereby gaining so called 'respect' points to impress their peers.
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Out of interest, I asked my almost 16 yr old daughter what her reaction would be if a teacher of hers did the same to a boy in her class (she is in yr 11). She said she would be shocked, and that she thought the headteacher should be informed straightaway. She had a similar situation back in year 7 when a teacher made a insensitive comment about her weight in class (she was a bit porky at the time!), I took it up with the head who phoned me back straightaway, discussed it with the teacher the next day, and the teacher apologised to her in the next class. That was it, dealt with, she did not have any further problems with this teacher in following years.
She also she remembers an occasion last year when her whole class did a sharp intake of breath and was shocked into silence because a teacher said he was starting to get 'p*ssed off' at the class that was getting overloud. Interesting eh?
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simmo,
you say that your son was working his sums out loud?, I thought all kids today at play school used a calculator, ;)
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I am totally and utterly stunned at what i just read.... "That a teacher of all people has used abusive language to a boy, i can't quiet believe it."..!!! God yes hasn't things changed. And for the worst.
The other day a group of kids were playing on a trampoline, so i made a friendly comment on whose it was and how lucky they are to have one of these. Then as i walked away I was called a four eyed freak.. (by the way i am a 37 year old ).I felt totally sick in my stomach.. I went to his mothers flat, as i thought she would be disappointed with her son, and guess where the boy gets it from " his mother". I got a load of effs and every other word under the son to get lost.. Charming..!!! OH AND I DO HAVE A LIFE thank god i have my allotment, as I hate this new modern world, it is totally Alien to me now ::)
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It does amuse me when an outraged parent makes a post.
Have you ever stood at the bus stop with these kids?Have you ever been on the bus with these kids.All well dressed and round here from fairly so called middle class families.There behaviour is outrageous.Woe betide you if you tick them off for swearing ,spitting,throwing things,the list goes on.
None of us likes to think our little treasure could possibly misbehave .They do.Live with it and get real modern parents.I think you are lucky to have people prepared to teach these brats.
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sorry but i had to laugh, every parent has a kid who is "top of the class" "top of the football team" its all bull. Go to the school without a opionion both ways. your kid might have lied, the school might have, a close investigation is needed on both sides. and i dont care if i insult the op, this is my opinion.
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well id just like to say thankx eristic for your lovely comments.For crying out loud.
Get a life!
The little twerp is going to get called a lot worse than that before much longer, especially if he can't even add up.
Don't you think you're overreacting. Just maybe he is a dick[/b][/b]head.
It's this modern mamby pamby reaction that is dumbing down education. Sit the kid down and help him learn to do his sums properly and tell him to have more respect for the teacher.
how dare you.
you dont know my son! top of his year! house captain! football team captain!never had a detention!
just like you this teacher was out of order!
and if you think im over reacting see how you feel if i come and stick my pitch fork where the sun dont shine you insensitive TW*T!
I was going to suggest that you forget about it.
But there is an alternative. Go to the staffroom at coffee time and hack all the teachers to death with a machete. Then set fire to the building. Finally, dust off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
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well id just like to say thankx eristic for your lovely comments.For crying out loud.
Get a life!
The little twerp is going to get called a lot worse than that before much longer, especially if he can't even add up.
Don't you think you're overreacting. Just maybe he is a dick[/b][/b]head.
It's this modern mamby pamby reaction that is dumbing down education. Sit the kid down and help him learn to do his sums properly and tell him to have more respect for the teacher.
how dare you.
you dont know my son! top of his year! house captain! football team captain!never had a detention!
just like you this teacher was out of order!
and if you think im over reacting see how you feel if i come and stick my pitch fork where the sun dont shine you insensitive TW*T!
I was going to suggest that you forget about it.
But there is an alternative. Go to the staffroom at coffee time and hack all the teachers to death with a machete. Then set fire to the building. Finally, dust off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
fantastic quote from aliens there.
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Betula,
Very correct when I walk past a bus stop or school kids in general and hear their language it makes me blush, :)
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Hi,
As MP's OH I'm rather shocked that so many adults seem to have forgotten what it's like as a child.
It's only last year before my dear old Ma died that I confessed to a multitude of terrible things.
The day that I had a tug of war with our alsation dog using a feather cushion to the expected results prior to doing my morning paper round. My Ma always thought it strange that the dog had "mauled" the cushion on her own. :)
Then there was the day our neighbours made a small pond in their garden. and filled it with goldfish. A friend and I threw a stone or two into the pond. It was quite exciting pitching stones into the air like mortars to drop into the pond. However we eventually used clods of earth too finally filling the pond up. :o Amazingly everyone believed our tales of "Some big lads doing the deed".
Then there was.....(too many to tell really)
As has been said before there is always more than one side to a story.
MP's OH.
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Son top of class and whizz kid, pushing his luck entertaining the class pretending to work out Maths?, but you should complain about d*ck head, dread to think what he calls the girls.
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As an inner city teacher myself (for two decades) I have lost count of the number of times angry parents have stormed up to the school accusing and demanding, only to find that their child had interpretted the 'incident' incorrectly or had taken it out of context.
Please be sure your son's allegations can be substantiated and that the situation is understood. As one fellow allotmenter said, it could have been in jest (this, of course is no excuse for the vocabulary). Also, should we be encouraging each other to 'deck him' (is this in jest? ;) or setting a better example to your son?
Furthermore, I come on to this website to relax...is it really the forum for venting anger on non-allotment related issues?
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Hi all... this is my first posting since returning from the US of A this morning - where they could teach us all a lesson or two in downright rudeness. I frequently had people pushing in front of me (me with the pushchair!) and then dropping doors on me, barging, all sorts... We had a lovely time too, but saw so much rudeness... anyhoo...
When I was 15 I was expelled from school. I had been "wrongly" accused of trashing the music room with a mate (rock n' roll), and my father was 100% behind me, as I denied everything. We were about half way to the headmaster's boss's office, 30 miles away from where we lived, when I had to tell him that I did really do it... He had been convinced of my innocence until then.
As a parent I know that my little treasures could never do anything wrong... and it would be lovely if the worst thing that ever happened to them was being called a name.
FWIW, I think you should let it go.
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I have to agree with trickydiggy on this one.
I work at a primary school and I must say that what some of the children say and do is an eyeopener. They constantly bend the truth and love to get adults into trouble.
In this case, the boy may not be to blame, but his dad should keep an open mind. Teaching your children that your answer to it would be violence is not a good idea. It was only a name and it was possibly said in error. Bad language is sadly the norm these days. Even teachers are capable of swearing in their outside life, just as the kids are. Personally I see no need for it but it could have been a slip of the tongue, they may have just wanted to say that he was being an idiot for what he was doing or saying at the time.
Think you should maybe chill out a bit, let it pass without too much fuss.
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Furthermore, I come on to this website to relax...is it really the forum for venting anger on non-allotment related issues?
Aha, but 'tis The Shed trickydicky, we can do this here. ;)
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As an inner city teacher myself (for two decades) I have lost count of the number of times angry parents have stormed up to the school accusing and demanding, only to find that their child had interpretted the 'incident' incorrectly or had taken it out of context.
Please be sure your son's allegations can be substantiated and that the situation is understood. As one fellow allotmenter said, it could have been in jest (this, of course is no excuse for the vocabulary). Also, should we be encouraging each other to 'deck him' (is this in jest? ;) or setting a better example to your son?
Furthermore, I come on to this website to relax...is it really the forum for venting anger on non-allotment related issues?
Firstly you have my utmost admiration for doing your job, i for one could not and would not want to.
Secondly this is the shed for non allotment talk so the op has every right to vent and fume on this part of the forum. All allotment talk is done outside of this particular board :)
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I was going to suggest that you forget about it.
But there is an alternative. Go to the staffroom at coffee time and hack all the teachers to death with a machete. Then set fire to the building. Finally, dust off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
fantastic quote from aliens there.
GEEK !!!! ;D ;D ;D LOL.
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We are all waiting to hear how you got on talking to the teacher.
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Hopefully you will have calmed down!
If that is the worst that your child will come accross during his lifetime then you will be blessed. I find your outrage - amazing.
Protect your kids - by all means. But what really has happened to him - the teacher called him a name!
Bloody Hell I would hate to be within range of you when something serious has happened to one of your family.
Stop being so namby pamby and pathetic - what are you teaching your child - flying into total outrage and threatening violence!!!
I should think that an "anger management" course might help you. Hopefully your son doesn't copy you!
There have to be "authority" figures - at school it is teachers - at work it is the boss - would you really lamp your son's boss because the boss called him a name. Grow up. Testosterone has a lot to answer for!!
Life is easier, simpler, better, less stressful and friendly if you don't adopt the Mr Angry approach to it!
Old Bird
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I have one question for the people that are saying grow up. Would you let your boss call you a d*ckhead or any other derogatory name in front of your colleagues?
How did you get on today simmo116?
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Im disgusted
How do you expect children to grow up the way most of us would like
When teachers talk like that ,
And the derogatory comments on here belong to people who obviosly havent been brought up correctly
Im ashamed to be a part of this forum
mrf94
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What people have advised about finding out both sides of the story is true & necessary but it still doesn't excuse a teacher calling a pupil a d!ckhead whether it was said in jest or not. Teachers are there to try and set standards and teach children for the better but by making such a comment, the teacher has pretty much now made it acceptable for every person in that class to use the same word both in that room and elsewhere. How is that ok?
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Would you let your boss call you a d*ckhead or any other derogatory name in front of your colleagues?
If the person wants to keep the job then yes. The simple answer is if you do not like being called a dickhead then stop being a dickhead. The boss is the boss. Take it or quit. Are you a quitter?
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I quit.... ;D
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I'm a generous boss and that entitles you to your bus fare home. >:(
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Would you let your boss call you a d*ckhead or any other derogatory name in front of your colleagues?
If the person wants to keep the job then yes. The simple answer is if you do not like being called a dickhead then stop being a dickhead. The boss is the boss. Take it or quit. Are you a quitter?
No i'm not a quitter but i also don't put up with idiots who think they are being clever and big by calling other people names! case in point one of my previous employers had me escorted out of the building because he didn't like me standing up for myself ;)
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If your boss was in the wrong, I hope you took it further.
I know it is wrong for a teacher to call a pupil by this name he could have used the correct term for how the pupil was behaving.
Sometimes teachers get things wrong but not always, just like in any other walk of life. It should not be teachers who have the biggest infuluence on how children are formed and how they behave. I ought to be parents that teach children right from wrong.
Only too often do I see the blame for childrens upbringing being blames on schools. the basics shgould be there from home. Teachers have to hit targets and high standards for academic work and get very stressed at times having to deal with behavioural problems. Maybe it was not that particular lad who created the problem, but, believe you me, it is hard to work out who is to blame at times.
I do feel that people who work in schools are unable to show a pupil the 'bottom line'. Parents have so much power over schools but schools have hardly any over parents behaviour.
A number of parents seem to coach their kids into challenging authority when the controlling of their child would be in everyones best interest.
I am not judging this particular incident as non of us can do that. We were not there, but neither was the Dad.
Try to look at situations from every angle and be open minded.
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calm down
how you deal with this will have a dramitic effect on your child!
there needs to be a sense of scale here
have you verified the facts!
even if the teacher said it - i think he/she has been inappropriate at best
the youngster may be perfect but I will bet you £100 that you have called him worse than that - the principle - "in loco parentis" still applies.
you said that there has been a stabbing at the school - i think that teachers have a tough job and they are entitled to support and the active pariticipation.
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I was working in one of the teaching laboratories in college which was kind of L shaped. I was at the corner of the L with doors at either end. A group of 6th formers (and their parents :o) came in one of the doors (it was open day), and a technician came in the other door. He shouted out at the top of his voice WHAT ARE YOU ******* DOING IN HERE YOU **** (he'd been getting bladdered in the bar). I was tempted to say MIND YOUR ******** LANGUAGE, JULIAN, YOU ****, WE'VE GOT ******** VISITORS! but I thought we'd had enough swearing for one day
don't suppose we saw any of them again
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Does this all come back to the modern kids obsession with "respeck"? We didn't lose much, if any respect for classmates when teachers clipped them round the ear or called them 'thicko' - mainly because we knew that sooner or later the teacher would get round to each of us (captain of form or not) since nobody's perfect.
Incidentally, while finding the swearing unacceptable, I find it hard to believe any pupil over the age of 8 can consider working a maths problem out aloud in class is acceptable behaviour (unless so instructed) and it would certainly require some reaction from the teacher. What if the teacher had used the word 'thickhead' (perhaps he did) - is that unacceptable? Just has to kowtow to a teenager instead of resigning?
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Young people now know all of their rights and none of the responsibilities that go with them.
All this fuss over kids now sickens me.Most of us had happy childhoods and we did as we were told.
God help them when they get into the work place. :(
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Is there any word from Simmo. He might have seen someone by now while others are getting hot under the collar it could be sorted ;).
Janet
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Maybe the teacher hit him back?!
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I'm not surprised Simmo hasn't been back on here, some of your remarks are nothing short of disgraceful, plenty of dickheads on here. :( :( :(
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I asked my two grandsons one aged 14 and the other 15 what they would do if the teacher called them a dickhead and they both said that they will call him the same cos if he can say it then they can. I couldn't argue with them
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A lot of children these days are not modelled the correct behaviours by their parents. The poor teachers are often driven to distraction by these kids, you know the sort they're the same ones down the allotments sites causing mindless acts of vandalism because they think it's funny. If my child came home with such a recount I would be as equally interested in what they had done to create such a response as to the alleged behaviour of the teacher. Talk of decking the teacher or sticking a pitchfork where the sun don't shine seem hypocritical IMHO.
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When our girls were young we always said we would not be the sort of parents who if someone came knocking at the door complaining about one of them we would not say "Our child wouldn't do/say something like that" & we stuck to it. Luckily it didn't happen but one of them could be easily led & paid the price. I had a teacher phone me at work making accusations against her & discussing it with his wife but failed to tell his wife when it turned out she was not involved. The ones involved owned up when they saw the trouble she was in.
Janet
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I'm not surprised Simmo hasn't been back on here, some of your remarks are nothing short of disgraceful, plenty of dickheads on here. :( :( :(
Just about says it all.
Couldn't agree more!
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i've spoke to head, apparently said teacher was on his final warning and has been suspended pending an investigation.
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Can you imagine having a career that can be destroyed on the whim of a child. ???
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I thought that was thunder outside, no it can't be , it must be the sound of all them jaws hitting the floor. :o ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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My jaw is not dropping.I expected it.the kids are in charge of the mad house now.
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and there's me about to embark on teacher training!! better watch my P's and Q's !! ;) ;D ;D ;D
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If you do not mind walking the tight rope Tony I am sure you will be fine :)
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i've spoke to head, apparently said teacher was on his final warning and has been suspended pending an investigation.
So allegedly more than one questionable event, I still think you did the right thing :)
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At one stage the powers that be were talking about recruiting ex army into schools to reinforce discipline. Fat lot of good that would be when so many just seem to enjoy taking pot shots at the teachers anyhow and no one backing them up. Disrupt lessons,prevent others from learning drive your teacher to a nervous breakdown then enlist parents in getting them suspended. Sad thing is even the perps lose out with noone setting boundaries for them.
Convenient that the teacher was allegedly on a final warning.
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Well done Simmo,
You talked to the head, and the school did what they saw fit to do.....
The rudeness and arrogance of the people who have seen fit to comment on in such a disgusting way on a subject that they are not involved in and do not have the full facts on, maybe has shown the way society has changed.
Teachers do have a hard job, no question about that, but I bet the teachers on here wouldn't call their pupils that in earshot, not if they had the modicom of proffessionalism.
Simmo you have done what any self repecting parent should do.... when there is a problem go to the school and address the issue with them.
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Maybe some of the remarks were a bit OTTbut many tongue in cheek.
If the poster did not want it discussed then he should not have posted.
Why is he on a final warning?Did he say boo to a goose?
I support the teachers all the way.They deserve better than this.
In my circle of friends I know several teachers and some of the stories are an eye opener.Some have spent nearly a working lifetime in the profession and can not wait to get out.
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Nothing wrong with addressing the issue in a calm way, without resorting to violence. If this teacher is on their last warning there is obviously a problem with their conduct, which I assume, will now be dealt with.
I think comments made on here were to try to point out that you should go to the school with an open mind, not to go to the school 'fuming'. Anger is dangerous for everyone concerned. I think the trouble is, when things happen on Friday and can't be dealt with straight away, you feel frustrated.
I am sure you must be feeling better about things now.
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I agree with Betula once the topic was posted on an open forum it became a legitimate issue for all to discuss. The only comments I found disgusting or offensive were the threats of violence.
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i think everyone has a right to voice their opinion on the subject but i for one don't know the boy neither do i know the teacher so what give's me or anyone else the right to draw conclusions about either????.
been watching this topic without answering and some of the childish remarks (on both sides might i add) are ridiculous and dare i say very hypocritical on certain peoples part.
i used to really enjoy a4a but a few posts and their responses lately are starting to make me wonder if i should just stick my inexperienced gardening brain back into a magazine to get my advice and yes i know i am in the shed and this is not a "gardening" topic but that doesn't give us all an excuse to climb on our soapbox and start slagging each other off because our outtake on life is different to other peoples.
right i'm off to try and find a friendly growing forum or am i searching for the holy grail?
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Mike77 you are IMHO searching for the holy grail. This one can at times be a bit outspoken and dare I say a bit anarchic in it's collection of individuals ( but I rather like that ) I find the other magazine one rather snippy at times and the other allotment one very preachy. However as always it is each to his or her own. Are things getting heated out of the chat area ?
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Well done Simmo imo you did the right thing and hopefully it will now be resolved with both parties coming out of this okay (i'm sure none of us want the teacher sacked, just some more training on how to handle kids etc).
Yes forums can get heated at times but that is part of life and to be honest i've been on plenty of forums and this one has to be one of the nicest around. I know that i've got heated on this debate but bullying at any level is something close to my heart and i will defend everyone's right to be spoken to with respect and dignity. When i close down at the end of the day i'm still on friendly terms with everyone and i hope others are the same :)
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ps i'm sure some members are just a bit mean to get a response ;)
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We do all come from different backgrounds and we are all entitled to our own opinion. We really cannot expect everyone to feel the same as we do about certain situations. I think the problem is that sometimes as was said we get a bit overheated and try to force our opinion onto others.
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great
teacher loses job
we need more teachers!
we also need parents that take their responsibilities seriously and get a sense of proportion
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if hes top of his year etc why was he working his sums out loud, maybe it was to be annoying or cocky in front of his mates, maybe you could teach him to work his sums out quietly ? i was going to say the teacher could help him, but hes not there to help anyone now ::) ::)
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I've been reading this thread with interest and in some ways trying not to laugh, at peoples remarks and mock horror.
The originator of the post shows how shocked he is at the teachers remarks but then calls another member a T**T for basically disagreeing with him. IMO if you dont want people to disagree with you keep it off the forum. In fact, and this is my opinion only, why is it on here in the first place - this is about gardening and allotments its a shame the longest thread for a while is about something completely unreleated.
No one, not even the originator should comment because there is one thing missing from this post and that is hard facts ie evidence
and as for the person that suggested suing for large sums of cash, now I know why the country is in such a state
oh well back to my weeding
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I have a friend who was a teacher for many years ,she was teaching forteen year olds, she retired early.
She said many of the children were rude ,and did not want to learn anything ,
Lose one fine teacher. who would be a teacher today.
June.
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Well that is just a perfect outcome!
One teacher on paid suspension - however many children without one teacher missing out on their education - because one kid didn't like being called dickhead and went home to tell his daddy!
Bloody marvelous - should be proud of yourself Simmo! Done the whole area and school and a load of kids a wonderful service!
Grow up - get a life - let your kids also grow up in a "normal" world! As has been said many times he will face a lot more worries than being called a "nasty name"!!!!!
Old Bird
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Me... having just left the profession on ill health, after 25 years service... the last 14 in a "challenging" school. I'd be right back in there, if I was well enough. I've been called lots worse, at least ten times a day and the little darlings rarely got so much as a telling off... ???
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I've been reading this thread with interest and in some ways trying not to laugh, at peoples remarks and mock horror.
The originator of the post shows how shocked he is at the teachers remarks but then calls another member a T**T for basically disagreeing with him. IMO if you dont want people to disagree with you keep it off the forum. In fact, and this is my opinion only, why is it on here in the first place - this is about gardening and allotments its a shame the longest thread for a while is about something completely unreleated.
No one, not even the originator should comment because there is one thing missing from this post and that is hard facts ie evidence
and as for the person that suggested suing for large sums of cash, now I know why the country is in such a state
oh well back to my weeding
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This post has got everyone going. I just don't know, he/she may be a rubbish teacher, it does happen sometimes. We don't know how long they have been teaching, any trouble in the past etc. etc. I agree that teachers have a hard time nowadays, when I was at school, secondary school at 11 years a boy was made to stand in the rubbish basket in the corner all lesson. My father did go up to the school and complain as I had been to a church school previously and when the teacher swore at the class and called me rubbish because I was nervous at reading in front of the class and started stuttering (which I had never done before) asked what school I had come from and as we hadn't learnt French said I was rubbish and couldn't read (which was untrue). He didn't tell me he had gone to the school but said the 'Headmaster was a complete idiot'. He wanted to send me to private school, but I had made many friends by then and wanted to stay. My friend and me (both from the same church school, where everyone was so nice, and we weren't allowed to say shut up, spent our first break crying in the toilets. When my granddaughter first went to school at 5 asked her want she learnt on her first day, and she said 'how to spit' and gave a demonstration. (I did try not to laugh). It is a hard world out there and think one has to learn to mix with all types and take a bit of telling off without taking it personally. We can't protect children all the time, although would love to, and find they usually find their own way. If course if it is bullying or violence or stabbing or drugs, sexual abuse would take it very seriously but as my mother used to say 'sticks and stones will hurt my bones but words will never hurt me'. I wasn't going to get drawn into this discussion as it really between the parent, child and the school
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We have to learn to live with authority figures, to respect them, to countenance them, and sometimes even when they are in the wrong, to 'put up with them'. This goes for Teachers, Doctors, Police etc.
Being called a dickhead in class is humiliating, it is wrong. But in life people get humiliated and people get it wrong sometimes. I think thats better than creating a situation where Teachers, Police etc are too scared to do anything to exercise control or enforce respect because little Timothys mum will come down the school and sort the teacher out or even sue!!
Teachers, Police etc are increasingly powerless in todays Britain, there is a breakdown of respect amongst many youths, witness how often you see youths dumping their take away wrappers on the streets because they know everyone is too scared to challenge them now.
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Well that is just a perfect outcome!
One teacher on paid suspension - however many children without one teacher missing out on their education - because one kid didn't like being called dickhead and went home to tell his daddy!
Bloody marvelous - should be proud of yourself Simmo! Done the whole area and school and a load of kids a wonderful service!
Grow up - get a life - let your kids also grow up in a "normal" world! As has been said many times he will face a lot more worries than being called a "nasty name"!!!!!
Old Bird
Yes he should be! If the teacher was a rubbish one and was verbally abusing children then they are better off without him! Are you telling me you would rather the children have a bad teacher then a good supply one? I think we as a society deserve better for our children, if only others did too!!
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Sparklebug
Where are you picking up that he was a bad teacher?
He said the pupil was a "dickhead"
Does he deserve to lose his job, possibly his home, his wife and children are to suffer for calling a kid "dickhead".
Overreaction by parents. You state that Well that is just a perfect outcome!
One teacher on paid suspension - however many children without one teacher missing out on their education - because one kid didn't like being called dickhead and went home to tell his daddy!
Bloody marvelous - should be proud of yourself Simmo! Done the whole area and school and a load of kids a wonderful service!
Grow up - get a life - let your kids also grow up in a "normal" world! As has been said many times he will face a lot more worries than being called a "nasty name"!!!!!
Yes he should be! If the teacher was a rubbish one and was verbally abusing children then they are better off without him! Are you telling me you would rather the children have a bad teacher then a good supply one? I think we as a society deserve better for our children, if only others did too!!
I think todays children are pandered to and pampered and will become a waste of space if they cannot accept discipline.
The school already had a stabbing (probably this teachers fault eh Sparklebug) was it because a teacher called a pupil a name. And with superhero dads going in to thump the teachers wow that really is teaching the kids how to behave. I don't consider calling a kid "dickhead" verbal abuse - for crying out loud where do you live if you think that this is verbal abuse? Cuckoo land probably!
Old Bird :o
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I agree with you Old Bird.
I think some people expect our teachers to act like machines. >:(
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well Ive listened and been Reading this thread from the beginning
will only say this the teacher was wrong for swearing he probably understands this giving the opportunity will have said sorry for his behavior as for him being suspended very harsh ill agree with the most you haven't the guts to reply this world we are living in has become a complete nanny state due to people ,parents being overly protected what once was considered to be the right thing has been completely taken from context .
ill repeat i don't condone violence nor abusive behaviour to others treat everyone with respect then will be treated with respect in return and as for the juveniles of today i have had them in the back of my prison van and taken to court pampered there needs as that's what i was being paid to do ,
let me tell you the majority think the legal system a joke and they laugh at the face of court as there rights are so great .
when are we all going to sit up and realise the actions we take as parents and adults are spoiling our youth today with mamby pamby principles where we walk behind them and give them chocolate bars evertime they come from school we pick up the crap and put up withere crap because if we dared to to say what is right and what isn't they will quote some section from law that says they do not need to comply .
we having children divorcing parents because they didn't get the pair of trainers they wanted after having temper tantrums
COME ON PEOPLE what are we doing here and where are we all going with this again will say shorly this could have been settled like adults that we are supposed to be .
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Hahaha if only i did live in cloud cuckoo land ;)
Yes i agree with you that we live in a namby pamby state and i also agree discipline is missing from our schools and home but and i reiterate it is not okay to call anyone a degrotory name - adult or child. Discipline works wonders when it's done correctly and humilating a person isn't the way to go.
If you had bothered to read one of my previous posts i state that i wouldn't want him to lose his job but get further training but if he is on his last warning then obviously his teaching style isn't working.
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What a mess this all is. and I to think children have to much say today .
June
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Lets put this one to bed now hey :-X :-X :-X.
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Very sensible suggestion. Enough, is enough.
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Yes thats right.
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Good Lord !
To think what 'childern ' call teachers and the amount of teachers that are hit and spat on by the brats of today !
Ok if the child was behaving and did nothing to prompt the teacher to call him a name then he was in the wrong !
Im afraid im of the opinion of bring back the slipper ect as in all animal life the younger members are kept in their place, i have dogs and when the pups get above themselves mum turns on them she does not try to reason with them ;D apes do the same the adults will put a yongster quickly in there place !
We as humans used to do this and i lost count of how many slaps i got as a kid and i can not remember
one single one it was fast and over with !
I live in an area with loads of kids and they are out of hand and running riot, one kicked his mother because she did not have money for sweets !!Lets get real and treat kids as kids not mini adults !
How teachers keep there cool is nothing short of a miracal !
Ask yourself was your child disrupting the whole class by doing his sums out loud ?
Its time children where given their childhood back and where put under less stress to become adults at 10 years old !
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Don't want to reopen this post if it is not acceptable to, have been away
for a week and the replies have got me remembering my school days and
upbringing during the late forties and fifties. Very different !
Just a social view on the subject -- :)
floss xxx