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General => The Shed => Topic started by: flossy on April 22, 2009, 18:59:35
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My son is researching our family tree, my Grt Grandfather had 8 children--
today he found another 3 ! 11 in all ! - we think ! We know where he lived in
Saffron Walden, so we are having a day out to find the house - hoping it will still
be there. The occupations are fascinating ;- Riding School Proprietor, Billiard Marker'
amongst them, would love to here what you have discovered about your history.
floss xxx
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Done Loads on My tree Finding out Loads Have got back to 1766 on one line
Found A suicide In Local river .
War Deaths
Now have 774 People In my Tree !!
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Bloomin eck !!
Have you ventured out to find where they were living yet, UK or where ?
It is so fascinating, always enjoyed history and when it is about your own family --
even more so !
Tell me more GRACELAND, not prying , just interested -- especialy with occupations , ::)
floss xxx
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I have Found Nearly all there address jobs The Census 1841/1851/1861/1871/1881/1891/1900/and now 1911 all help great detail giving jobs and places of address of them and of coarse their names
then there is getting birth and death certs marriage certs all theses cost though ???
Most of my lot were ag labs 95 percent anyway a few carpenters and one had a Pub ;D
... But it all is very interesting Even found my Great grandfather was 69 when he became a father with my Nan who ended up in an orphanage at the age of 3 with her sister !! :o Due to his death and the mother died a year before but before he died he remarried !! ::) ::)
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Have a go here
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.
or
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Home/Welcome/welcome.asp
:) :)
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The Suicide Was my great grandmother She drowned her self in The river Severn at Gloucester 1944 ... I visited the Records office where i found the courners report and the Note she left ???
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A sad Tale ,,
A Young girl born in Essex Works as a nurse ,Before meeting a man some how from the little village of Leintwardine in Herefordshire .
They Marry and move to Gloucester and settle down in the poor westend of the city a very poor slum type area then late 1870s ,
Well they settled down and had a family of five children then another but he dies after just five days .
Well a few years passes by then the husband gets ill
He dies in 1895 of enteric fever ,,
So a a little while passes by and she remarries and settles
down again a stones throw from where she lived before still in same bad conditions but she take on four more children another on of these dies a bit latter !
The sons from firs husband go to war another one dies !
Then later she becomes ill and is in bed for a while when the Dr is called to see her an appointment is made to see a Dr at the hosp ,
She is told of a growth in her stomach ,And would need an operation . This put her in a panic thinking i suppose of her first husband !
So she went home ,,
Then on the 17 night of October She Wrote a short note
And put it on the mantle piece and walked down the garden into
the river ......
She was found next morning !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That lady was my Great Granmother ,,,,,,,,
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Worried by need for operation,
The city coroner Mr G Trevor Wellington held an inquest at the Royal infirmary on Friday on Elizabeth Jane Jones Age 56 The wife of Charles James Jones ,
Of 1 Foresters yard Westgate Glos
Deceased husband a gen laborer said he and his wife had always lived on happy terms .
During the past month she had been attended by Dr Graham For a growth in the stomach she had also been seen by Dr Terry at THE hospital.
Who advised an Op !
This greatly worried the deceased but she had never made any threat too take her life .
On the eve of Oct 17th He went to bed at 9pm,
Leaving deceased down stairs to wait for their son ,at midnight he missed her from the bed room .
So went to look for her but could not find her .
So went to police station .
At 6.30 the following morning he found her in the river Severn near to Westgate bridge ..
The police recovered the body the family were badly off as witness had been out of work for soom time Stanley Jones (son 18) corroborated his fathers story .
Dr G ,Stated the deceased had been in his care for a month .
She had signs of abdominal tumour probably of malignant nature .
He last seen her on 25 th Sept
She was evidently worried and depressed and generally in a low state of health .
The coroner recorded a verdict of Found drowned .............
The Gloucester Citizen Oct 21 1922 .............................
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The note she left read,
don't get any black for me,
bury me in a paupers grave ...
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:) well u asked ;)
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I'm glad someone did Graceland, I love all this kind of stuff. A sad sad story.
Found tracing me ancestors totally fascinating.
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Never got very far on my search, got my own birth certificate and found out the father named on the record was not the one I used to know. :o
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Ohhhhhhh, so why did you stop there then Ace?
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Graceland, thank you so much for sharing your history,
- going to read it all again in the morning , so much life going on before.
Sad story you've told here - what a lady, took courage .
floss xxx
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I've just read of the life - and death - of your great grandmother, Graceland and I was really touched. And at the end in her note she was still thinking of her family and the financial impact her death might make on them, and trying to ease it, wasn't she...bless her :'(
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yep a sad story and great lady
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What a very sad story Graceland. :'(
I am also researching my family tree and have two suicides to report in the same canal!!
My grandfather was found drowned in the Surrey canal at Deptford. The inquest returned an open verdict but the family thought he probably committed suicide as his wife (my grandmother) died a few months before. During my research into the family tree I found out that his grandmother had also committed suicide in the same canal but 14 years before my grandfather was born! I was gobsmacked by this revelation and often wonder now whether my grandfather had ever been told of his grandmother's fate or if it had just come into his head when he took his own life.
I find family tree research fascinating. It is very addictive though. ;D
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:) :)
It is very addictive though. VERY :)
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My mother's side of my family are the Pecks (Sheffield) and in the 50's they had a book compiled of the family tree. Went all the way back to the battle of Hastings - were a distant ancestor was killed.
Turns out Gregory Peck was a relative too and for several generations up to the 50's many were famous concert pianists/musicians.
Apart from me playing in a brass band in my youth, no-one alive is now showing any signs of musical or acting talent :(
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My Uncle researched our family in Sheffield a few years ago. We were trying to trace family that were possibly RICH!
He found a not-so-distant branch of ancestors that owned a sweet shop in Attercliffe (now a run-down area of Sheffield that was formerly lovely) That's why I probably love pear-drops so much!
And even MORE way back .... in the 18th Century our family were shoemakers/menders.
Which is entirely typical! We go in search of monied ancestors and what do we find????
A LOAD OF OLD COBBLERS ;D
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I have gone back to 1700's on one branch (maternal) and I have gone back to great great grandfather on my dad's paternal side and discovered he was a parish orphan so it will be tricky to go any further. I keep promising myself a trip up to the records office in Derby to try and get further back. It is such an interesting pastime and a great way to spend the winter when I can't get to the lottie!
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Most Derbyshire records are in Matlock... although the local studies library in Irongate have some information... :-\
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iscovered he was a parish orphan so it will be tricky to go any further.
what was his name place of birth age ??
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I hope you don't mind me coming back to you Ace, feel sorry that you had a shock like that,
wonder , if you carried on the search you may find out why and if maybe it was the best for
you at the time?. There are a few '' ooagh misses '' in my history -- a lot a weddings
very near ' births ' , ;D Hope it stops here ! ::)
floss xxx
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I've got back to 1024 in Cornwall with my family. As luck would have it, I bought an old book about Cornwall from a car boot and it had the story of one of my ancestors in it. He was a complete nutter (in the 19th C) who claimed, amongst other things) to be the King of Jerusalem. He led about 100 followers across the county giving them land randomly. When confronted he shot a police constable and an army lietenant before being shot himself. The authorities guarded his tomb so that his followers couldn't claim he had risen. My wife suggests that the seeds of his madness have been passed down to me, but what does she know, she's a mere commoner.
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djbrenton, that is something else ! What a story, hope I find something as
exciting as that -- dare you tell us his name ? we may relatives ? ;D
floss xxx
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Ray's dad is related to the earl of anglesey, (younger son), he can use the crest but no money ??? ::) ;D
my brother does our research, went back a long way and foun he'd followed the rong one, my g g grandad left his wife and set up home with another woman and they gave her children his surname ;D
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One of my ancestors was Henry Durs Egg... gunmaker to the king. Another was Leopold Egg an artist one of his pics below
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sorry, forgot my claim to fame, my ggg? grandad invented the galvanic battery(lots of galvanis and rosarios in my dad's family) ;D
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wow Shirlton, one of Eggs paintings was in the Tate. victorian morality paintings were something dreadful has happened. Just looked - the one I knew was "Past and Present No 1". Think they've just listened to today's budget
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One of my 2nd cousins has researched way back on one branch of my family (not easy when you are looking for Evans in Wales). He discovered that one of my great greats worked on the Holyhead ferry and was commended several times for rescuing people who had fallen overboard. It turned out later that he was pushing them over then jumping in to rescue them coz he got a cash reward each time too!! :o
Another one was really really wealthy and owned loads of land in North Wales and was friendly with Earl of Anglesey but then gambled it all away. :(
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Yes - its very interesting and exciting - and adictive. Through tracing my family history, I discovered about 10 years ago that my next door neighbour since 1972 is a fourth cousin, and also that four plot holders on my allotment site are my distant cousins. One, whose a second cousin, I'd originally met once before when we were children - our great grand-dad would be very proud that she's got chickens on her plot as he loved his chickens which he kept on his allotment. With two of the others, I share several time gt grandparents who married in the village of Worlingworth, Suffolk in 1802, and with the other distant cousin, our connection is around 1750.
We too have a very sad suicide - my husband's grandmother drowned herself in a well (in 1915) - she was 49 years old and about to have another child - the youngest of her other eight children was 15 years old and I think the prospect of having to cope with another baby at that age was just too much fo her to take.
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what amazing stories.
I've had a poke around, but get stuck every now and then with welsh surnames, and of course the 1st son having the same name as the father, but have enjoyed a few bits of it, like the Welsh census always contained what language was spoken (welsh and english recorded) and the older names, such as Moses (never knew I was related ;D).
The other thing I've had a look at is the street I live in now, having a look at who was living there, how many people in a house, who was lodging, what the occupations were etc - I think in someways I enjoyed that more as it gives me a sense of local history and how the area has changed over time.
1066
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We have a genealogist in the family, and so have the family tree on my father's side going back to the 1790s. My great great great grandfather joined the New South Wales Corps and he and his wife (both from Ireland) went to Australia on the Neptune and eventually bought a couple of plots of land in Concorde (where the olympics were held). At one time he was mayor of Concorde.
Ten years ago one of my oz cousins arranged a family get-together - all the descendents from the original John and Mary Bray - there were over 300 people. The party was held on the original plot of land, now a nature reserve/park, which was closed for the occasion and a plaque unveiled by the current mayor. There were seven of us from Europe, and we travelled all over the place in a large group.
We have loads of documentation and pictures of this side of the family, unfortunately nothing of my mother's side.
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One of my 2nd cousins has researched way back on one branch of my family (not easy when you are looking for Evans in Wales). He discovered that one of my great greats worked on the Holyhead ferry and was commended several times for rescuing people who had fallen overboard. It turned out later that he was pushing them over then jumping in to rescue them coz he got a cash reward each time too!! :o
Another one was really really wealthy and owned loads of land in North Wales and was friendly with Earl of Anglesey but then gambled it all away. :(
OH I LIKE THAT ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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My sister traced our ancestry and found that my Dad's great grandparents were German and moved to England just before the first world war, and ran a chemist shop in London under their name of Kehl. I wonder how much hassle they got from people in those days, it must have been really hard.
On my mothers side their were several generations of professional gardeners, one was head gardener at Sherborne Castle in Victorian times, and my mother still has his fork, which is needle sharp.
My sis also found out we were related to a wannabee mass murderer who went on the rampage in a suburban town in the 1980s, and managed to kill one or two people before the police got him. She googled him and found an article about how he was looking for parole. Yikes!
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I decided to give it a go after a run of funerals in the family and found the following:
Paternal grandfather had a half sister (previously unknown about!!!!!)
One of grandpa's cousins sailed on the Titanic, unfortunately I've not managed to find out his name to see if he survived.
From a common g.g.g.grandfather I've traced relatives to Oz & from a g.g.grandfather traced relatives to the USA.
On the maternal side I am related to the aviatrix Amy Johnson (which partly explains my wanderlust)
It was only supposed to be a quick thing, but the more I found the more I wanted to keep digging (forgive the pun).
I'm now looking for the long-lost relative with a lot of money & no heirs ;D
CC
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:) :)
All very interesting
As you may have guessed i,m addicted to it ;D
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found my dad's grandad changed his name on the way over from italy to miller (previously Rosario) as he was one ;D
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A friend of mine has just started looking into her family history and when I was staying with her a few weeks back she said that her grandfather Harry didn't have a birth certificate yet he was born in the 1880's. She knew his exact date of birth though. I said that everyone had to be registered at that time and soon found him for her. His mother wasn't married and Harry was given the first names of his father. The mother did not marry the father but Harry took on the step father's surname. We don't know whether he was legally adopted or not. Does anyone know if adoption records were held in the 1880's and if so if they can be viewed?
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Hi Paulines7,
I'm afraid adoption didn't legally start until 1927. Before that children just took the new surname with no written record of it happening. Makes it quite hard. I had a relative who had two new surnames and I was just lucky that late in life to get his pension he changed his name by deed-poll and I have the original of it. otherwise I wouldn't have known and would never have found him. But I have never found his original father named on his birth certificate and wonder if he ever existed!
Sorry that wasn't the news you wanted. :(
T. x
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Researched every branch and twig of my family, my husbands and many others. This started in 1987 and still find it fascinating and very addictive.
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Hi Paulines7,
I'm afraid adoption didn't legally start until 1927. Before that children just took the new surname with no written record of it happening. Makes it quite hard. I had a relative who had two new surnames and I was just lucky that late in life to get his pension he changed his name by deed-poll and I have the original of it. otherwise I wouldn't have known and would never have found him. But I have never found his original father named on his birth certificate and wonder if he ever existed!
Sorry that wasn't the news you wanted. :(
T. x
Tulipa, thank you for your reply regarding adoptions. Having found out who was probably Harry's father, through having his father's first name and surname as his first names (hope that makes sense), I then traced relatives of Harry's father through Genes Reunited. They sent me some photos and I was amazed by the likeness to my friend. She has a dilemma now as to whether or not she should tell her two old straight-laced aunties that their father was born out of wedlock and that the man they knew as their grandfather really wasn't any relation. :-\
It would seem that I have opened up a whole can of worms in helping my friend. ::)