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General => The Shed => Topic started by: kt. on November 03, 2008, 13:33:47
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5 Months through a 6 month tour of Iraq, and the men and women of 7th Armoured Brigade have seen a change in Iraq we have been working toward for 5 years. As peace has returned to Basra, our men and women, tired but proud are now looking forward to coming home for Christmas.
A British brewery run by Tony Hadley of Spandau Ballet and ex Royal Anglian soldier, Kevin McHenry, has created a special beer called the Red Rat beer for the soldiers of 7th Armoured Brigade – the famous Desert Rats. The Red Rat beer will be presented to the soldiers when they return later this year to their home base in Germany & UK from demanding operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The Red Rat craft brewery is behind this original campaign to thank Germany based Desert Rats for their sterling work on operations this year. ‘Beer for the Boys’ aims to let the public know they can show their support for the Army by going onto the brewery’s website and buying bottles of beer to donate to soldiers in 7th Armoured Brigade.
In a recent interview with BFBS Radio, Hadley, who is a long term supporter of the British forces and has supported troops around the world, said: “the soldiers of 7th Armoured Brigade have been doing a brilliant job this year on operations on Iraq and Afghanistan in incredibly difficult conditions. As many will not be returning to their home towns in the UK for celebrations, this campaign will be an opportunity for the public to show that although they are out of sight, they are certainly not out of mind”.
The idea is that members of the pubic, family and friends can go onto the brewery’s website at www.redratcraftbrewery.co.uk/campaigns.html and donate a bottle or bottles of beer. Each bottle costs £2 and 50p from each bottle will go to charities supporting the soldiers and families of the Desert Rats. However, some 4000 bottles are needed to present each soldier with one bottle of this uniquely produced Red Rat beer so they can toast medals parades and homecoming events in early December taken place at their home base in Germany.
Each bottle will display a specially designed Red Rat beer label (as attached) and supporters can also include a short message of thanks which will be printed on the back of the bottle and read by the recipient of that bottle..
This is a voluntary cause if you wish to participate.
Find out what they’ve done to secure Basra at the following link: http://basrablog.blogspot.com/
Many thanks
kt
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I know it might upset some but i will not be buying any, all our soldier are soldiers as a carer choice. Police officers, Fire fighters and office workers do not get a special beer brought out for them so money can be raised and thanks shown for them doing their job.
So why should soldiers?
Neil
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I know it might upset some but i will not be buying any, all our soldier are soldiers as a carer choice. Police officers, Fire fighters and office workers do not get a special beer brought out for them so money can be raised and thanks shown for them doing their job.
So why should soldiers?
Neil
Tell me about it when the Taliban is knocking on your front door.
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I agree Davyw1 :)
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I didn't say i don't appritiate the job they do, same way i appritiate all the people that work to keep the country clean, so we don't have crap coming to our door.
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Yes everybody deserves a treat now and then.
It is like contributing to a charity,you could say I won't give to that charity because I can't give every charity something. :)
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I feel sorry for them as they believe in a lie and are labouring under the deluded impression that they are doing some good, but they're not doing me any favours... They shouldn't have gone there, they shouldn't be there and they have only made the world a less stable place. It's not the soldiers fault, but it's how things are.
Nobody should get a pat on the back for being part of such a balls-up.
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I know it might upset some but i will not be buying any, all our soldier are soldiers as a carer choice. Police officers, Fire fighters and office workers do not get a special beer brought out for them so money can be raised and thanks shown for them doing their job.
So why should soldiers?
Neil
Sorry Neil, but that is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard. i would be more than happy to donate to look after a police officer or fireman or paramedic, nurse, etc etc. i would not however expect (i work in an office) people to give me a donation. i do however tip the binmen at xmas.
I dont really care about the politics behind the war i just would not want them to believe that i dont give a rats bum about them. I would want our armed forces to feel supported and something to be honered. They do a fantastic job. Leave the politics to the idiots that run this asylum. They are the ones to blame.
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Then let the idiots buy them a drink >:(
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I took a box to the firemen, picketing, last time they were on strike... everybody deserves a good turn now and then... :-X
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I took a box to the firemen, picketing, last time they were on strike... everybody deserves a good turn now and then... :-X
And while they were on strike who was doing their best to put fires out
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Then let the idiots buy them a drink >:(
As i said its not their fault they are following orders, if you dont think they are worth a couple of quid then dont but them one.
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another thread goes tits-up ???
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another thread goes tits-up ???
Has it? I hope not - and I hope if it has then I haven't contributed to the tits-upness... didn't we used to be able to disagree without falling out?
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another thread goes tits-up ???
didn't we used to be able to disagree without falling out?
no we ******** didn't, you ******* ********n ********! ;D
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another thread goes tits-up ???
didn't we used to be able to disagree without falling out?
no we ******** didn't, you ******* ********n ********! ;D
Come here and have a man-hug, RT, tomorrow the world is gonna be a better place... :)
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certainly not! I'm off to cause trouble in the "Tattoo" thread
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certainly not! I'm off to cause trouble in the "Tattoo" thread
Do you want to borrow a white poppy to take with you?!?! :P
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Then let the idiots buy them a drink >:(
As i said its not their fault they are following orders
But are they not getting paid for following orders.
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Then let the idiots buy them a drink >:(
As i said its not their fault they are following orders
But are they not getting paid for following orders.
Yes, I presume they are. Still, my £2.00 is on its way. I hope they enjoy the beer.
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cheers, lads ;D
enjoy the pint
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If people don't want to buy a Vet a drink, so be it. BUt please don't come out with pathetic 'polital reasons' for not supporting the British Army abroad. A squaddie does as his government gaffers decree, Britain and many other countries have been thankful for the presence of British Forces on many occassions.
WELL DONE and THANK YOU LADS (and lasses).
(Wish I'd had a bottle for every one of my return trips!)
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I will shake the hand of any serving soldier and tell him i am proud to have done so and thank him for serving my country.
For anyone who thinks our lads should not be serving in Afghanistan find out just what the aim of the Taliban is and why they must be defeated.
If ever they succeed the only difference between you, a Christian and a good Muslim is you will be dead and he will be told to shut up or be dead.
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You have to look at how the Taliban came to power - America put them there whilst trying to get Russia embroiled in their own version of Vietnam. The only way to achieve peace is by behaving peacefully. You never beat someone into being peaceful.
Don't think they are helping you - they are pawns in someone else's game. So my reasons are not political - I genuinely think that the troops there are in the wrong. We are all accountable for our actions, "just taking orders" is complete nonsense. I want them to come home, alive, and I regard every death as a tragedy, but am not sure the death of a British soldier who chose their job, is worse than the death of a civilian who never had a choice even if the civilian has a turban on his head...
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My reasons are not polital,to be a soldier is a carer choice, i don't put my hand in my pocket for my postman because they have to get up at stupid o'clock in all weathers so why should i for soldier. If anybody should get them a drink its the government for sending them into pointless wars in the first place.
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EVIL WILL SUCCSEAD WHILE GOOD MEN STAND BY AND DO NOTHING
I'm glad that MEN like my father can't read this nonsense that's been put on this site. And I'll be donating as much as I can afford to welcome our lads home. GOD bless them all.
Taurus
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My appoligies to KT if my first post started of the debate on your thread, it was only my opinion and i did not mean for the thread to be taken away from what you were originaly trying to achieve.
Neil
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For as long as I've been around on here, we've nearly always been able to disagree without falling out... It's a shame when people reply with things like "you're all wrong and this is nonsense" without saying anything that supports their statement. That's not a discussion and it's not very helpful.
Personally I always try to see things from the other point of view - I don't think taurus has done this. Nobody I'm aware of is advocating "doing nothing". I think we could do things differently - that is not the same as doing nothing.
As an example, Flunky & I disagree completely on this - it makes no difference - he can send them a pint & I won't... see, we haven't fallen out! (Big Hug for you, Mr Flunk!)...
From the point of view of a pacifist, violence is (almost) always wrong, therefore no matter how patriotic I am or how sorry I feel for the crap "our boys" have to put up with, or even how much respect I have for their commitment, I am unable to congratulate them for doing something with which I am fundamentally opposed.
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For as long as I've been around on here, we've nearly always been able to disagree without falling out... It's a shame when people reply with things like "you're all wrong and this is nonsense" without saying anything that supports their statement. That's not a discussion and it's not very helpful.
Personally I always try to see things from the other point of view - I don't think taurus has done this. Nobody I'm aware of is advocating "doing nothing". I think we could do things differently - that is not the same as doing nothing.
As an example, Flunky & I disagree completely on this - it makes no difference - he can send them a pint & I won't... see, we haven't fallen out! (Big Hug for you, Mr Flunk!)...
From the point of view of a pacifist, violence is (almost) always wrong, therefore no matter how patriotic I am or how sorry I feel for the crap "our boys" have to put up with, or even how much respect I have for their commitment, I am unable to congratulate them for doing something with which I am fundamentally opposed.
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No offence taken Mr C. We are all entitled to our opions. i just think you are wrong LOL ;D Seriously though, its a good point you make.
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I agree, less falling out and more disagreeing. ;D
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Cheers lads.....enjoy your beer :)
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I agree, If you cant voice one of this countries greatest rights, which is your opinion without falling out yhen there is some thing sadly wrong.
It is the soldier, not the reporter, Who has given us freedom of the press.
It is the soldier, not the poet, Who has given us freedom of speech.
It is the soldier, not the organizer, Who has given us the freedom to demonstrate.
It is the soldier, Who salutes the flag, Who serves beneath the flag,
And whose coffin is draped by the flag, Who allows the protestor to burn the flag.
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I agree, If you cant voice one of this countries greatest rights, which is your opinion without falling out yhen there is some thing sadly wrong.
It is the soldier, not the reporter, Who has given us freedom of the press.
It is the soldier, not the poet, Who has given us freedom of speech.
It is the soldier, not the organizer, Who has given us the freedom to demonstrate.
It is the soldier, Who salutes the flag, Who serves beneath the flag,
And whose coffin is draped by the flag, Who allows the protestor to burn the flag.
I agree with your first comment, but disagree with the second part (gosh!)... we had and would have all these freedoms without war. Civilisation began when we started to talk instead of fight... but I don't think we're going to agree on this one... so may even shut up now.
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Civilisation began when we started to talk instead of fight... but I don't think we're going to agree on this one... so may even shut up now.
Can't resist asking, when and where has this ever been the case?
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Civilisation began when we started to talk instead of fight... but I don't think we're going to agree on this one... so may even shut up now.
Can't resist asking, when and where has this ever been the case?
Me shutting up, or people talking instead of fighting? Both are rare, but can happen with a bit of effort! ::)
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I agree, If you cant voice one of this countries greatest rights, which is your opinion without falling out yhen there is some thing sadly wrong.
It is the soldier, not the reporter, Who has given us freedom of the press.
It is the soldier, not the poet, Who has given us freedom of speech.
It is the soldier, not the organizer, Who has given us the freedom to demonstrate.
It is the soldier, Who salutes the flag, Who serves beneath the flag,
And whose coffin is draped by the flag, Who allows the protestor to burn the flag.
You forgot ....it is the soldier, that is costing the tax payer to keep them in pointless wars, or it is the soldier, i dip in me free range egg i like the best. ;D
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You forgot ....it is the soldier, that is costing the tax payer to keep them in pointless wars, or it is the soldier, i dip in me free range egg i like the best. ;D
The soldier is not costing the taxpayer at all. All serving personell pay full tax and national insurance the same as everybody else who is paid by the government....... the police, fire fighters, NHS staff, binmen.
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You forgot ....it is the soldier, that is costing the tax payer to keep them in pointless wars, or it is the soldier, i dip in me free range egg i like the best. ;D
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Funnily enough during my many many years service I used to dip civilians in my eggs ;D
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You forgot ....it is the soldier, that is costing the tax payer to keep them in pointless wars, or it is the soldier, i dip in me free range egg i like the best. ;D
The soldier is not costing the taxpayer at all.
Well I was going to keep quiet, but I can't shut up with such an absurd comment...
So you're seriously saying that it doesn't cost the country to keep an army, and that cost doesn't increase when we go off to kill people ??? You better tell the government, 'cos they've budgeted for a huge amount...
This might help you work out the financial cost of war:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7304300.stm
You forgot ....it is the soldier, that is costing the tax payer to keep them in pointless wars, or it is the soldier, i dip in me free range egg i like the best. ;D
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Funnily enough during my many many years service I used to dip civilians in my eggs ;D
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We dip pacifists in ours... :P
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no - they're Her Majesty's Armed Forces! The Queen pays for them all herself out of her own pocket!
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no - they're Her Majesty's Armed Forces! The Queen pays for them all herself out of her own pocket!
Your round then Liz!
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no - they're Her Majesty's Armed Forces! The Queen pays for them all herself out of her own pocket!
Before or after she pays tax ??? ??? ???
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Ok we are missing the point here!!!!!!!!
The brewery is making the beer and selling it for £2.00 a bottle ok, 50p goes to charity and they pocket £1.50 and look like heros ????? why ?>
They are just making money out of this >:(
If they had donated the beer it would have been a great gesture but to make profit and believe me they will be making approx £1.00 a bottle !!! i think is awful !
I would rather give the £2.00 to a charity that will use it all on the cause !!!
What a great con !!!
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Ok we are missing the point here!!!!!!!!
The brewery is making the beer and selling it for £2.00 a bottle ok, 50p goes to charity and they pocket £1.50 and look like heros ????? why ?>
They are just making money out of this >:(
If they had donated the beer it would have been a great gesture but to make profit and believe me they will be making approx £1.00 a bottle !!! i think is awful !
I would rather give the £2.00 to a charity that will use it all on the cause !!!
What a great con !!!
My understanding is that you are buying them a beer. Would rather do this and 50p goes to charity as well.
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So you're seriously saying that it doesn't cost the country to keep an army, and that cost doesn't increase when we go off to kill people ??? You better tell the government, 'cos they've budgeted for a huge amount...
Absolutely. It does not cost the country to do all of the following then eh.....
The same way it does not cost the country to keep the fire brigade for the arsonists, The same way it does not cost the country to keep the prison officers to work in prisons.
The same way it does not cost the country to keep the police because of all the illegal activities on the streets.
The same way it does not cost the country to keep the benefit scroungers (not the legitimate people who need the benefit)
The same way it does not cost the country to fund A&E departments to aid injuries from alcohol related incidents.
You better tell the government about the above, 'cos they've budgeted for a huge amount for all the above too.
The original thread was for a voluntary contribution for those who wished to participate, not a political debate that could be a thread all of its own. ::) ::)
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You're right kt - sorry for contributing to the detraction from your thread. And I genuinely hope they enjoy the pints sent to them. It must be hell out there.
I don't think I need to say much more on this.
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I don't think I need to say much more on this.
;D Corrr! Spot the weasel-word in that, then ;) ;D
KT, I've not clicked on your link and only because my puter's so dodgy atm it needs a flush-out :-\ Beer for the Boys/Gals (can't remember any Gals to be honest, but if there were...) We've been buying it since these damned wars have begun..we're in the flight path to Smelly Oak Hospital and it's heart-rending to see the 'copters stacked overhead to land. So, at the adjacent cricket club & pub, there's been beer - and crisps 8)
For yourself....hope to God you're back safely with your family for Christmas and that I'm NOT buying you a pint.
Cheers, Lishka
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I an going to leave you with this
If you can read the text of this website thank a Teacher.
If you can read it in English thank a Soldier, Sailor or Airman.
How does a soldier feel fighting a war?
Does he always know what he is fighting for?
Maybe he knows but doesn't understand,
why he is alone in a faraway land.
Like so many others he is there for a cause,
And like the rest he doesn't pause.
He has a job that he does well,
even as his best friend beside him fell.
How does he feel when he hears the news,
of violent protests from the ignorant few?
His shame is great, the pain goes deep
he feels compassion for the dead at his feet.
Rioters can boast and carry signs,
about the war that has shook our time.
But when the call comes for them to go,
they burn their draft cards and make a show.
How can a soldier be proud of his land,
when this type of people make a stand?
How can we show him we are glad he is there,
fighting for freedom and the ones who care?
War is unfair in any way of life,
and all involved must pay the price.
But the soldier is proud to keep us free,
stop and think..........
Shouldn't you be?
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A beer is a small price to pay. Don't expect too much 'high-up' support. Many of us are still waiting for the government to allow the wearing of the PJM covering 1957-1966.
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IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT FROM THE MALAYSIAN HIGH COMMISSION IN LONDON
Malaysia High Commission is pleased to announce that the closing date to apply for Pingat Jasa Malaysia (PJM) will now remain indefinite until further notice. However, all applicants are advised to submit their applications (to Mr Fred Burden) as soon as possible to avoid delay in receiving the medal. Should you have any further enquiries pertaining to this matter, please contact the Defence Adviser for Malaysia"
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Link... http://www.nmbva.co.uk/
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Right, I tried but I can't (shut up)...
Okay, getting off the fact that I don't agree in general with war.... what on earth do you expect, ken? You think the people who send others off to spill their blood and that of others really care? Are you honestly surprised that these medals can't be worn?
My opinion is formed partly by my grandmother's side (the pacifists), but also by two other important aspects - one was my grandad who was a commander in the navy. We were very close, and in his own words he "never changed anything for long" (he was the one given an OBE for his military efforts). The other important event was the death of one of my school mates in Iraq 1. I still don't see what his death gained, and we used to shoot toy guns at each other... I still miss him.
The government will never respect the lives, rights or families of the people they send off to fight, and people who go in for all this bravado are still being played by the propaganda.
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As I said in my first post, Ollie; Governments do what governments do and we have an armed force to back their judgement be it right or wrong and I'm not going to go deeper than that here, this subject is well enough off topic as it is, (but a thread in this direction I most certainly will subscribe to.)
Suffice to say that those pointing the bad finger at the squaddies either need new glasses or a history lesson. (Better than that might be to have a louder voice than a certain president in at least one direction? :D )
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alright Ken, you know I have the utmost respect for you, and I think you have a pretty good idea of where I'm coming from... Lets start a new thread... and I would suggest that any views are welcome, as long as they are supported by fact, experience or judgement. "You're wrong you pacifist/aggressor, you're a bully/coward" etc, won't be appreciated...
link for anyone interested in discussing the morality of war (such a small topic!)
http://www.allotments4all.co.uk/smf/index.php/topic,46866.0.html
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Sensible words from a respected member. Looking forward to a lengthy, hopefully sensible (as requested) input.
Good one, Ollie.
Ken.
Go to Watershed, Peeps.
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The beer duty alone for 500ml of 4.5% ABV is 21pence. The bottles cost 20p, lids 2p. The front foil labels cost 17p each and we put back ones (5p) on for the 408 messages on the bottles that were donated by the public. We sent over 5000 bottles to the troops and the delivery cost £1200. that's about 4p per bottle. That's 69p already and then we add the ingedients, gas, power and water. A short run beer made at our small brewery costs over £1 to make without any labour factored in. I normally work on my own but paid for help to get the bottling finished in time. Larger breweries like Badger spend approx 80p on each bottle of beer they produce. They are obviously far more efficient than I. 50p a bottle would be nice, if you'd like to show me how I'd be your friend for life.
By the way I am an ex serviceman and I was asked to provide this service by the 7 Bde, I did not solicit sending over 4000 bottles of free beer in any way. Having said that I am glad I did and think that they deserve every bit of recognition they get.
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Ditto: Mc.
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Good job well done :)