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Allotment Stuff => The Basics => Topic started by: woodybrown on October 30, 2008, 15:48:35
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HI WE'VE JUST TAKEN OVER A NEW ALLOTMENT WHICH HAS GOT ABOUT 1 YEARS LOT OF WEEDS ECT GROWING ON IT HAS ANYONE GOT A QUICK SOLOTION ON HOW TO GET RID OF, OR WOULD IT BE BETTER TO JUST DIG UP.
THANK YOU :)
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Thanks for the advice, free adverts are not allowed.
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Hello Woody Brown and welcome to A4A.
Congrats on getting your new lottie.
Now to answer your question.
If you have perennial weeds, it's always best to dig them out. (Docks, nettles, couch grass etc).
Dig a little at a time and cover with either thick black plastic or thick cardboard (weighted down).
Make a plot plan... i.e mark out for your beds and pathways...No point digging where your paths are going to go, keep them nice and firm.
Good luck with your lottie and don't forget to take lots of before and after pics. You'd be amazed how much progress you can make in a week/end.
Lauren :)
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THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE QUICK REPLY
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and will NOT poison the ground.
that's funny, when I googled "diquat" out of curiosity that's not what this (http://everything2.com/e2node/diquat) website said:
Diquat dibromide is unfortunately very well absorbed by both soil and clay, and has a half-life in the field of over 1,000 days. Tests indicate that it usually remains in the topmost inch of soil for long periods of time after application. In water, it quickly binds to suspended particles (especially silt) in the water, so it cannot be used to clear weeds in muddy areas. It is also rapidly absorbed into plants, but generally kills the parts of the plant it is absorbed into too rapidly to be carried through the plant.
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hiya, woodybrown and taylorschoice, welcome to the site ;D
another vote for digging out the nasties and covering as you go ;D
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Taylors Choice, are you connected with this product by any chance?
G x
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I work for a horticultural wholesaler that has sold this product for many years.
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I work for a horticultural wholesaler that has sold this product for many years.
I see. And is it in your interest to boost sales of this product? I ask because it is considered bad form to pose as a member simply to promote your wares.
G x
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Whilst i am a keen gardener i am also very fortunate to work for a company that has for over 40 years has been supplying allotments societies. And so it could be viewed that i am trying to promote the companies wares but only because i have an expertise in this area and these products are very hard to find. If this is deemed to be bad form then please advise and i will cease to provide my informative advice :)
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Hi woodybrown, welcome to the site,
i'm with the other who say stay with the organic approach and dig out the nasties weeds then cover the rest with black plastic, or weed membrane, or cardboard, or a tarpaulin,
you know that you can plant through all of these coverings, ;D
and as LS said, draw a plan for your growing areas, (take a look at her pictures) :o ;D (only the gardening one though ::) :o :o :o ;D ;) just joking )
take you time and enjoy it,
take pictures,
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Thanks for your honesty. It's not up to me but the Moderators. :)
G x
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I would dig it over removing all roots as you go if I were you. You have all winter to get the ground prepared & applying any kind of weedkiller at this time of year when the weeds will be dying back for the winter anyway seems pointless to me.
Based on the datasheet for "speedway 2" it is not an appropriate herbicide for an amateur gardener to use.
http://www.sherriff-amenity.com/userfiles/Scotts/Speedway%202.pdf
Intended Use: For use only by Local Authorities & Professional Spray Operators.
For use only as a Horticultural/Industrial herbicide
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HI WE'VE JUST TAKEN OVER A NEW ALLOTMENT WHICH HAS GOT ABOUT 1 YEARS LOT OF WEEDS ECT GROWING ON IT HAS ANYONE GOT A QUICK SOLOTION ON HOW TO GET RID OF, OR WOULD IT BE BETTER TO JUST DIG UP.
No quick solution but you have answered your own question..... Get digging matey ;D ;D Welcome to the site too. ;)
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Cover it and roll back and dig it as you go. Do not use weed killer and don't take anybodys advice that works for a company of products that he's recommending, any one thats been in the game for 40 years would know as Baccyman says its pointless applying the product this time of year, they are applied when the weeds are active. Three posts in no hello or introduction just SELL SELL SELL, by the way welcome WOODY. ;D ;D ;D
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hi woodybrown welcome to the site im a newbie lottie aswell woo hoo! i plan to atack my plot tomorow with a brush strimmer then dig over a few small plots the size of my raised beds(havent made them yet.) then going to cover the rest with plastic untill i can get round to them. load of help from the guys on this site and like lauren s said take loads of pictures. :)
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Yep, take loads of pics and don't forget, we all love to see your progress, so don't forget to post them on A4A....We are all very nosey ;D
Lauren :)
Oh P.S
If not already a member, create an account with photobucket (It's a free photo saving web site), upload your pics to PB. When you want to post your pics for the forum use the IMG code located at the bottom of each pic in PB. Copy and paste the code into your A4A reply.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa42/ElleEss_photos/PhotoBucket-2.jpg)
www.photobucket.com
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Hi woodybrown and yes welcome to the site. If you look at my gallery you'll see what I've been up against and how plot 1 (taken on in May 2007) has progressed. This was ac hived with hard work and no chemical help. As you wont be growing much over the next few months it's the ideal time to keep yourself fit with a lot of digging and weeding. Keep at it woodybrown this is definitely they way forward. I'm looking forward to working on my 2nd plot over the winter month.
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I had to do a bit of digging around in the Pesticides Register as there are no approved products with the name Speedway. I did find the revocation notice for it though. It's a formatted .pdf so it doesn't reproduce here very well but you can probably get the gist. I think taylors choice and his employer should check the lawfulness of advertising this stuff for sale.
FOOD AND ENVIRONMENT PROTECTION ACT 1985
CONTROL OF PESTICIDES REGULATIONS 1986:
Revocation Notice
Notice is hereby given that in exercise of the powers conferred by Regulation 5 of the Control of Pesticides Regulations 1986 (SI 1986/1510) (as amended) and of all other powers enabling them in that behalf, the Secretary of State, and the Scottish Ministers (as regards Scotland) and the Welsh Ministers and the Secretary of State (acting jointly as regards Wales) have:
(a) revoked approval for the advertisement, sale, supply, storage and use of the pesticide products listed in the Schedule.
(b) Given approval until 11 July 2008 for the advertisement, sale, supply and use by persons other than the approval holder for the pesticide products listed in the schedule.
(c) Given approval until 11 July 2008 for storage by any persons for the pesticide products listed in the schedule.
Date of issue: (a) 28 November 2007
Dates of expiry: (b) 11 July 2008
(c) 11 July 2008
ALL OTHER CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL REMAIN UNCHANGED
SCHEDULE
Product Name MAFF /MAPP Number Approval Holder Revoking Notice of Approval Number
ASAP M11485 Me2 Crop Protection Limited
3660 of 2007
Clayton Paradigm M12001 Clayton Plant Protection (UK) Limited
3661 of 2007
Fernpath Pronto M11988 AgriGuard Limited
3662 of 2007
PDQ M10532 Syngenta Crop Protection UK Limited
3663 of 2007
Speedway 2 M10790 Syngenta Crop Protection UK Limited
3664 of 2007
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How strange, a newbie who asks, nae shouts a question, the ultimate question asked by everyone who's ever been confronted with an allotment for the first time.
And then another newbie who, coincidentally? registerd within 15 minutes of the other, offers "Informative advise".
Informative advise my arse, Calculated con desinged to offload illegal stock they've been landed with.
Too many coincidences for them not to be either from the same company or one and the same person.
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How strange, a newbie who asks, nae shouts a question, the ultimate question asked by everyone who's ever been confronted with an allotment for the first time.
And then another newbie who, coincidentally? registerd within 15 minutes of the other, offers "Informative advise".
Informative advise my arse, Calculated con desinged to offload illegal stock they've been landed with.
Too many coincidences for them not to be either from the same company or one and the same person.
Which is why I alerted Dan to this thread about 17.00
G x
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How strange, a newbie who asks, nae shouts a question, the ultimate question asked by everyone who's ever been confronted with an allotment for the first time.
And then another newbie who, coincidentally? registerd within 15 minutes of the other, offers "Informative advise".
Informative advise my arse, Calculated con desinged to offload illegal stock they've been landed with.
Too many coincidences for them not to be either from the same company or one and the same person.
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if you're not the same person, welcome to the site ;D
I can understand about the stock but don't see how they are the same person ?
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if you're not the same person, welcome to the site ;D
I can understand about the stock but don't see how they are the same person ?
Manics I don't understand the technicalities either but I'm assured that it is possible for one person to have more than one log in on this site. Whether they are the same person or not I don't know but I do think it's odd that the original poster hasn't responded to any of the replies apart from the first one from Taylors Choice. In addition, Taylors Choice has been rather quiet since I started asking questions and others came in with concerns about the product.
G x
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okay, georgie, just don't want to upset someone :)
woodybrown was on this afternoon
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Definitely dodgy, I also reported to Dan but I think you got in first Georgie, I didn't think it was the same person at first but only two early posts and nothing since it makes you wonder. ??? ;D ;D ;D
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okay, georgie, just don't want to upset someone :)
I know Manics and neither do I. At the same time I don't want the good folk on here taken advantage of by the odd trickster. I was perfectly polite to Taylors Choice (I hope) but I thought Dan should be aware of the thread.
...I also reported to Dan but I think you got in first Georgie, I didn't think it was the same person at first but only two early posts and nothing since it makes you wonder. ??? ;D ;D ;D
I didn't realise it was a race, Kev. ;D
G x
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Sales of chemicals must be at rock bottom to have to go to such trouble?
Weeds? Dig them out. There that's it, simple but honest!
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If you've only got one year's growth of weeds, you're not doing badly. Some folk have had to cope with ten years' growth! Dig what you can between now and next spring. Cover the rest with black olastic, enjoy what you've dug, and deal with the rest as you have time. I'm not sure quite what's been going on here, as I've been offline, and one post has been edited out of existence. But ignore whatever you've been told about weedkiller. It doesn't work this time of year, as someone said already, so the advice was a definite con. You won't need it anyway if the plot was looked after before, as there hasn't been time for the nasties to get properly established yet.
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Open the ground up and hope for a hard winter, that will be yer best friend