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Allotment Stuff => The Basics => Topic started by: timf on October 24, 2008, 14:14:16
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hope this is useful for some one
plant plant spacing row spacing
artichoke, globe 30in 3ft
artichoke, jerusalem 12in 12in
articoke, chinese 6-12in 18in
asparagus 6in 12in
aubergine 24-30in 30-36in
beetroot, early 4in 9in
broadbeans 9in 18in
beetroot, maincrop 3in 12in
broccoli, sproutin 24in 24in
brussels sprouts 24in 18in
cabbage spring 10in 12in
cabbage summer 15in 15in
cabbage autumn & winter 18in 18in
cabbage red 12in 18in
calabrese 12in 18in
cardoon 15in 18in
carrots early 3in 6in
carrots maincrop 1 1/2in 6in
cauliflower summer 18in 24in
cauliflower autumn 24in 24in
cauliflower winter 28in 28in
celeriac 12in 18in
celery 12-18in 12in
celtuce 4in 12in
chicory 12in 12in
chilli 15-18in 24-30in
chinese broccoli 12in 12in
courgette 3ft 3ft
cucumber 24in 12in
endive 9in 12in
florence fennel 12in 12in
french bean dwarf 2-3in 18-24in
garlic 7in 12in
kale 12-18in 18in
kohlrabi 9in 12in
komatsuna 1in 18in
leek 6-8in 12-15in
lettuce 14in 15in
marrow 3ft 3ft
okra 16-24in 24-30in
onions bulb 2-4in 12in
onions bunching 3in 12in
onions globe 2-4in 12in
onions pickling 1/4 in 12in
onions spring 1/2 in 12in
pak choi 4in 18in
parsnip 6in 12in
peas 3in 12-24in
peppers 15-18in 24-30in
potato early 12-15in 15-20in
potato second early 14-18in 25-30in
potato maincrop 14-18in 25-30in
pumpkin 3ft 3ft
radish 1/2 in 6in
rhubarb 9in 12in
rocket 6in 6in
runner beans 8in 24in
salsify 4in 6-12in
scorzonera 4in 6-12in
seakale 15in 15in
shallot 6-8in 12in
squash 3ft 3ft
spinach 6in 12in
strawberry 12in 12in
swede 9in 15in
sweetcorn 14-18in 18-24in
swiss chard 8in 18in
sweet potato 10-12in 30in
tomatillo 18in 3ft
tomato 1-3ft 3ft
turnip 6in 12in
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Oh this is very useful. Thanks for posting
Lauren :)
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Aren't the row spacings a bit generous for raised beds?
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thanks tim
I also think some of the spacings are a bit on the generous side, but no doubt it depends on varieties, types of beds etc but it does give me a general idea as to how much space will be needed and could therefore help me plan my plot better ;D
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you guys are very funny the reason for the row space has to do with need for farmer to weed,turn plow, and other reason.
For the small scale grower you should use either the square foot spacing or offset spacing aka biodynamic spacing.
I will post chart common small scale gardener spacing.
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Please do TGG, looking forward to seeing it sounds useful.
I saw cabbages planted on TV and they seemed much closer than suggested on the packet. It would be nice to know how close you can get them and still get a decent crop.
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Thanks Tim
The french beens sound a bit close "french bean dwarf 2-3in 18-24in"
I have not taken much notice of distances needed as i was resricted for space so all my brussels, greens, savoy, premo, white/puple sb, cailiflower and curly kale are in rows stagared, so it is roughly 12" all round between plants.
They look like they are doing really well, but as this is my first time growing i will have to wait and see.
Neil
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this is interesting,ive always felt the spacings on seed packets were too generous.with next year being our second,ill be putting stuff closer together
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Are you still going to post that spacing chart TGG?
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Yes but it will be next week before i finish it. I have other projects that I am working on.
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Aren't the row spacings a bit generous for raised beds?
Don't need to plant in rows in raised beds, as the beds themselves form the rows. Plant in blocks instead.
I think some of the distances are a bit over-generous, especially the sweetcorn and broad beans
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My sweetcorn were about 10 inches each way (blocked ) most of the other stuff is about right, but everyone will have their own ideas, what other projects are you working on TGG, anything we should know about. ;D ;D ;D
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cornykev nothing you should know about but several you might want to know about.
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cornykev nothing you should know about but several you might want to know about.
Go on then, give us a clue you little minx you!
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sorry olliec you have to wait like everyone else.
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Still working on it TGG? You mean you haven't even got yourself a spacing plan yet? Thought you'd have done that years ago. You must be really new to this.
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I think he's wrapping up our pressies, most of you have been orrid so that must mean a bigger :o one for me, I can't wait. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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the chart I am going to post has to be converted to chart formatting.
Which has be done hand since the format of the spacing requirement chart
for veg very different the the current format the chart is in.
As for my other projects there are two.
But since you asked and I am good mood.
I will tell you.
1. Is 70,000+ vegetable variety database
2. Is vegetable garden design software application.
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You mean you didn't get the formatting right first time? So the spacing chart you've been using up till now is no good? That's a bit of a disaster isn't it? You must be gutted.
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amzin no the chart is currently in another chart format which is not viewable in this forum by cut and paste and I have not had time to convert to to html chart.
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You could always post a link to it ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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I wish I hadn't asked now but I did want to know. Give him a chance please!
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Only trying to be helpful, there's no point in reinventing the wheel ;) ;) ;)
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Please don't take this the wrong way... Do you keep the growing chart in the same place as your notes on maximising tomato yields?
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OllieC i did not post that info due the fact I was not going to post 150 page book.
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OllieC, stop it - your killing me ;D
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My pressie's getting bigger by the minute. ;D ;D ;D
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ollec go back under your rock
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ollec go back under your rock
Is that where you hide your sense of humour? Or perhaps it's where you keep all the broken hearts from your hollow promises?
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Just use your common sense. Plant things 'willy nilly', some grow well, some don't. Some plants like to be close to each other. That is the fun of allotments, plants come up in the most unexpected places. I think you will find that plants find where they like to grow best and just 'go with the flow'.
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olliec better to no sense of humor then the no brains like you continue demonstrate.
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Oh, Meow.
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Ditto :-\
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Can someone please fetch a saucer of milk?! I'm off to grow a brain!
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olliec the wizard might help you.
Also you might try selling adverbs.
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Now I know there is previous but is there any reason to actually bait TGG? It seems to me that he has mostly been civil in this thread and that the sarcastic remarks are meant to goad.
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Hi redclanger,
I am with you on this one - though I have been guilty of putting my '2 penoth ' in at some point,
can't we all just try a bit harder with TGG, know he doesn't always ' lend himself ' but somewhere
in there , I think he ' she ' has something to offer in the way of experience / knowledge -- I really
need to ask the odd question - but then it all gets b...... up !
floss x
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Come on red, if you always promise to post something helpful but never quite get round to it, you'd get a bit of a ribbing & take it the ways it's intended - as a joke! If you then got arsey with aforementioned ribbers, you'd expect far worse than this...
We make far more allowances for tgg than for anyone else - just because he loves winding people up. TGG - pull your head in & stop fibbing to us. If you want to help, do so. If you want to wind people up, do it somewhere else.
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TGG,
Hope you are taking all this in, cos think it may be ' the last chance saloon ' ,
' You gotta give a little ' and you may find that we all will too x
flss xxx
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I give on my schedule not that of the those who have no patience .
Now wait like every one else and keep you snide comments to yourself.
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Thats it !!!! ::) :-* ;D :-* :'( ;) :D 8) ??? :) :-X
floss xxx
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Except for, ::)
Still think you are someone already known on this site , who is a wind up merchant - :P
and not worth the space for your activities in this vein -- mind you , we have been given a run for our
money and , I for one shall not bother with you any more. :-*
Have a nice day, 8)
Floss xxx :P
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your give it me now is why you are considered trouble makers and fools.
Your not being wound up. Ps you really need learn to use the proper spelling in phrases.
Since doing otherwise makes you look foolish.
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Don't think so !,
' proper spelling in phrases ' you're having a laugh ;D
over and out !
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OllieC the more nasty and improper comments you make the longer I will withhold any info. Just to see how impatient and stupid you are.
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OllieC the more nasty and improper comments you make the longer I will withhold any info. Just to see how impatient and stupid you are.
There once
Was a man
And
This man was very odd, dont know why he just was. ;D
TGG, You're doing it again, stop being odd. Just crack on, You make your self look silly.
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Sorry Ollie, you are neither -- I think you're very nice :-*
My pc wont let me reply --- but thank you for your message. x
floss xxx
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One actually needs to think beyond just plant spacing, which is only a part of the exercise. You also have to consider how much top growth there is, is a a root veg, does it need support, etc etc. Also culturally there are differences in the way of growing stuff - in Italy they grow broad beans in tight groups of 5, the plants hold each other up, and I'm always being told mine are TOO FAR APART - WHEN WILL YOU EVER LEARN! OK, next year ... ... :-\ :-\ :-\
This site is excellent for giving all the info anyone would want - just click on the letter and then the plant and bob's your uncle.
http://www.thegardenersalmanac.co.uk/Indexes/index.htm (http://www.thegardenersalmanac.co.uk/Indexes/index.htm)
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The Gardeners Almanac is some of the best info we have on site.............thank you Tee Gee :D
And you are also so quick to answer queries too ;).
Top man :D
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Here is a copy of original chart that was made clearer to read.
I will posting my copy of a spacing chart that lists several different spacing methods Sunday.
| plant | plant spacing | row spacing |
| artichoke,globe | 30in | 36in |
| artichoke,jerusalem | 12in | 12in |
| articoke,chinese | 6-12in | 18in |
| asparagus | 6in | 12in |
| aubergine | 24-30in | 30-36in |
| beetroot,early | 4in | 9in |
| beetroot,main crop | 3in | 12in |
| broadbeans | 9in | 18in |
| broccoli,sproutin | 24in | 24in |
| brussels sprouts | 24in | 18in |
| cabbage spring | 10in | 12in |
| cabbage summer | 15in | 15in |
| cabbage autumn | 18in | 18in |
| cabbage winter | 18in | 18in |
| cabbage red | 12in | 18in |
| calabrese | 12in | 18in |
| cardoon | 15in | 18in |
| carrots, early | 3in | 6in |
| carrots maincrop | 1in | 1/2in |
| cauliflower summer | 18in | 24in |
| cauliflower autumn | 24in | 24in |
| cauliflower winter | 28in | 28in |
| celeriac | 12in | 18in |
| celery | 12-18in | 12in |
| celtuce | 4in | 12in |
| chicory | 12in | 12in |
| chilli | 15-18in | 24-30in |
| chinese broccoli | 12in | 12in |
| courgette | 36in | 36in |
| cucumber | 24in | 12in |
| endive | 9in | 12in |
| florence fennel | 12in | 12in |
| french bean dwarf | 2-3in | 18-24in |
| garlic | 7in | 12in |
| kale | 12-18in | 18in |
| kohlrabi | 9in | 12in |
| komatsuna | 1in | 18in |
| leek | 6-8in | 12-15in |
| Lettuce | 14in | 15in |
| marrow | 36in | 36in |
| okra | 16-24in | 24-30in |
| onions bulb | 2-4in | 12in |
| onions bunching | 3in | 12in |
| onions globe | 2-4in | 12in |
| onions pickling | 1/4in | 12in |
| onions spring | 1/2in | 12in |
| pak choi | 4in | 18in |
| parsnip | 6in | 12in |
| peas | 3in | 12-24in |
| peppers | 15-18in | 24-30in |
| potato early | 12-15in | 15-20in |
| potato second early | 14-18in | 25-30in |
| potato maincrop | 14-18in | 25-30in |
| pumpkin | 36in | 36in |
| radish | 1/2in | 6in |
| rhubarb | 9in | 12in |
| rocket | 6in | 6in |
| runner beans | 8in | 24in |
| salsify | 4in | 6-12in |
| scorzonera | 4in | 6-12in |
| seakale | 15in | 15in |
| shallot | 6-8in | 12in |
| squash | 36in | 36in |
| spinach | 6in | 12in |
| strawberry | 12in | 12in |
| swede | 9in | 15in |
| sweetcorn | 14-18in | 18-24in |
| swiss chard | 8in | 18in |
| sweet potato | 10-12in | 30in |
| tomatillo | 18in | 36in |
| tomato | 12-36in | 36in |
| turnip | 6in | 12in |
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Why the
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Why the ???
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It seemed that tgg was struggling to get his plant spacing chart into a format suitable for publication on the forum, but still managed to format the original post, which must have taken up a fair bit of time,
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Thanks Tim for the chart and thanks TGG for the helpful alignment.
I do block planting rather than rows, so I add together the plant and row spacings and block plant at those spacings. As I get more experienced I vary the spacings based on that and what happened last time. So, for example, I plant sweetcorn closer to encourage pollination and underplant with beans and squash. I just make sure that the soil is enriched accordingly. It works some of the time!
We all know how much these things vary from variety to variety, from plot to plot, from season to season. It could get boring otherwise! ;)
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asbean and olliec exactly what have you contributed to these forums.
Because I can not find any contributions that contain intelligent comments or valuable information. Oh forgot you are just trolls.
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Why the ???
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It seemed that tgg was struggling to get his plant spacing chart into a format suitable for publication on the forum, but still managed to format the original post, which must have taken up a fair bit of time,
Nah - that won't take long - cut and paste into Word and then use tabs to format (these won't work on an internet forum as it will tab from box to box as in table. Then cut and paste back into the reply box (the tab spaces will remain) and voila - an easier to read, formatted list. No time at all!
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redclanger that might be true but chart was not in word or other common format.
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Why the ???
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It seemed that tgg was struggling to get his plant spacing chart into a format suitable for publication on the forum, but still managed to format the original post, which must have taken up a fair bit of time,
Nah - that won't take long - cut and paste into Word and then use tabs to format (these won't work on an internet forum as it will tab from box to box as in table. Then cut and paste back into the reply box (the tab spaces will remain) and voila - an easier to read, formatted list. No time at all!
RC - I bow (or rather curtsey) to your superior knowledge of word processing. :)
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redclanger that might be true but chart was not in word or other common format.
I was talking about the original post TGG!
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asbean and olliec exactly what have you contributed to these forums.
These forums or this thread?
On this thread, the same amount of useful information as you! ;D
But let's try to stay on topic, eh?
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olliec both
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oh PLANT spacing! I thought it was PLANET spacing. That's Bode's Law
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bodes ill... :o :o
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Other than when I post a question (very often quite simple ones) direct to the forums I also refer to TeeGees Gardeners Almanac, in my humble opinion everything is explained that even a gardening dope like me can understand.
Whatever subject is being discussed there will always be different ideas. Who is to say who is right or wrong. Whatever suits.
Nothing to do with gardening but years ago when we first started keeping/breeding pigs my late husband bought several books. One expert would say wean the young at so many weeks, next expert would differ by as much as 4 weeks. So again through experimenting you find what best works for you.
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lorna only a gardening dope would depend on teegee website. Do to fact it very it is uninformative.
Only those who don't know any better say there is no right and wrongs in gardening.
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I'm a 'garden dope' then and proud to be one.
I find Tee Gee's website useful though I wouldn't use it exclusively. You'd have to be a bit blinkered not take every bit of info you find and see if you works for you before saying it's rubbish.
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Another vote for TG. ;D ;D ;D
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lorna only a garden dope would depend teegee website do to fact it very uninformative.
Only those who don't know any better say there is no right and wrongs in gardening.
i ran this through Babel fish to see if it made any sense in spanish. NOPE, then ran the translation through again back to English :
lorna only one drug of the garden would depend Web site on teegee does to the fact uninformative very. Only those that don' t knows the any best one says that correct and the evils in working an orchard.
I find it reads better this way. I wonder if thats what TGG does ?!?!? hope so, no one could be that obnoxious, could they ?
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flunky" a garden dope" is a gardening idiot. Lorna's description of her self not mine.
Flunky if you really want see me in bad mood wait till I get over my cold.
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Here is a copy of original chart that was made clearer to read.
I will posting my copy of a spacing chart that lists several different spacing methods Sunday.
Is the cold why this is not here ? I bet it is. I came on here Sunday specifically for this and felt very let down. I do hope you get better soon. :-*
I know what a garden dope is you crazy guy you. Just thought a child had typed it. Sorry. I just find it so incredible hard to make any sense of anything you post as it is just soooooo hard to read. i thought an online translator would help. It didnt :(
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TGG, dont attack lorna, that is not very ladylike -- >:(
floss x
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Come on -- I've got me 'dukes ' up >:(
floss
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;D ;D to Flossy, sorry I can't join you I am too old ;D
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as they say in kung fu movies want to fight, fight me me wahhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!
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And the winner gets...............A first edition of The best ever guide to plant spacing ::)
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lorna only a gardening dope would depend on teegee website. Do to fact it very it is uninformative.
Only those who don't know any better say there is no right and wrongs in gardening.
I totally disagree to every comment in this quote. I have used Teegee's site on several occasions and it has been very helpful to someone like me starting out. It may not suit everyone's circumstances or plots but it's freely and willingly offered and lets face it if it doesn't work for you, you learn from the mistake anyway. Could you please just stick to offering advice, it's far more constructive.
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Nobody's infallible, but TG does a great job. TGG offers nothing.
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Other than when I post a question (very often quite simple ones) direct to the forums I also refer to TeeGees Gardeners Almanac, in my humble opinion everything is explained that even a gardening dope like me can understand.
Whatever subject is being discussed there will always be different ideas. Who is to say who is right or wrong. Whatever suits.
Nothing to do with gardening but years ago when we first started keeping/breeding pigs my late husband bought several books. One expert would say wean the young at so many weeks, next expert would differ by as much as 4 weeks. So again through experimenting you find what best works for you.
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I'm a 'garden dope' then and proud to be one.
I find Tee Gee's website useful though I wouldn't use it exclusively. You'd have to be a bit blinkered not take every bit of info you find and see if you works for you before saying it's rubbish.
flunky" a garden dope" is a gardening idiot. Lorna's description of her self not mine.
Flunky if you really want see me in bad mood wait till I get over my cold.
Okay TGG read that sequence very carefully.....then tell us where Lorna described herself as a dope? Because I can't see it.
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I've had to be reminded recently (by a respected poster on here)... There's an ignore button for a reason. Some people will always feel that because they can hide behind a keyboard it's okay to be rude to everyone. We came in peace, we tried, we've failed & it's time to quit when you end up justifying yourself to a moron.
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Other than when I post a question (very often quite simple ones) direct to the forums I also refer to TeeGees Gardeners Almanac, in my humble opinion everything is explained that even a gardening dope like me can understand.
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Sorry TGG, getting bored now ::)
floss
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FLOSSY i was bored with the stupidity of most of posters in this thread awhile ago.
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that's 2 threads ruined ::)
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well you're right again TGG. Stupidity and boredom seem to have taken over somehow. Seems such a long time ago since ti mf posted his helpful and useful list for us
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Hi folk would just like to say sorry to timf. I found your chart very useful.
Would also like to say thanks for mail and PM's I have received.
I can assure you that any remarks made by TGG just went over my head, couldn't be bothered to reply.
I shall continue to visit TeeGees Almanac for advice.
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Good advise, thanks will do x ;)
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Hi folk would just like to say sorry to timf. I found your chart very useful.
Would also like to say thanks for mail and PM's I have received.
I can assure you that any remarks made by TGG just went over my head, couldn't be bothered to reply.
I shall continue to visit TeeGees Almanac for advice.
Lorna absolutely no need to apologise to me, You haven't done anything wrong or been impolite to anyone.
the chart i posted was to be used as a basis as one of the most commonly asked question on our site from beginners is how far apart should they go? As with most things the spacings can be tweaked for personal preference eg plant the caulis closer together to get smaller heads etc.
I find that in all things some people will freely offer advice based on what works for them eg tee gee and others will always try to shout them down but never offer there own work for examination. I feel that TGG should either put up or shut up as he has had nearly 1 month to reformat his chart so it can be shared with everyone.
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TGG, why don`t you just shut your stupid mouth & clear off EVERYONE on here is sick of you & your pig ignorant remarks, why stay on this site just to be ignorant to everyone you sure have a problem matey .
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calm down rosebud!! go and have a cuppa and a slice of cake, he's best ignored!! ;)
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rosebud I am only responding in kind to personal attacks. So I suggest you and your trouble making friends stop posting off topic junk or clear off.
Because if the want to start a forum war I can promise one thing.
I will make sure the lot of you get banned.
Now go away and se taire.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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se taire.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
translation in English, is? :-\
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It is french for "to keep one's mouth" in other words shut up.
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rosebud I came this site to discuss gardening not to be insulted by a bunch ignorant people.
Just for the record the words themselves were printed correctly but the particular sentiments encoded therein were judged to be
1 highly personal
2 casting doubt on the parentage and breeding of the recipients
3 advising anatomically impossible acts
4 otherwise offensive and not suitable for public exposure
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may be you and you idiot friends should clear off since you are empty barrels.
I suggest the following.
Just for the record the words themselves were printed correctly but the particular sentiments encoded therein were judged to be
1 highly personal
2 casting doubt on the parentage and breeding of the recipient (with possible species issues)
3 advising anatomically impossible acts
4 otherwise offensive and not suitable for public exposure
Recieved this from TGG, how very nice i have reported you to the Moderator.
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rose I reported you earlier.
You have no basis to complain since you started by insulting me.
Now go back under the rock you crawled out from under.
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Get lost you MORON, you are on ignore now so say what you like you pig ignorant specimin.
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As My niece would say" I know you are but what am I".
psttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Oh my.
Why is it that every so often people get so worked up about each other, must be the weather.
All I can say is use the ignore button, don't start a flame war, don't try to get each other banned - it will not end well.
Dan
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dan don't blame me I am only acting in self defense.
I suggest you delete this thread. I started a new one to replace it.