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Produce => Edible Plants => Topic started by: manicscousers on July 08, 2008, 15:57:35
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these are some of our squash/ pumpkins from saved seed last year, don't know what they'll be like but they're growing well ;D
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looks like a kabocha squash to me but there i could be wrong
ask suzanne she has more knowlege than i on this subject
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They do look good, but isn't saving squash seed taking a bit of a chance? As I understand it, they cross-pollinate. My only experience of it has given results varying from the so-so to the downright foul.
Do let us know what they taste like! If it works, I might try again.
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the only way round this is to manually pollinate and secure the female floweres with cotton till your ready to do it
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Looks like a round courgette to me. :-\
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Looks like a "De Nice" to me
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I have several squash plants which are self-seeded. They are fantastic plants and each have one or more fruit on them. One of them looks like the one in your photo manics. One is almost certainly a marrow (we are going to use the largest for supper tomorrow) and the others could be butternuts, but I'm not certain.
I can only surmise that the seeds were from butternut squash from last year. I used to put all peelings and seeds in the compost, but not any more. This year I had hundreds of self-seeded tomatoes too. I make sure that all seeds get put in the waste bin - they are just too robust and do not decompose.
Tricia
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yep, we kept the seeds from our last butternut , ate most but tried to grow the last few, these are the result, don't know what they'll taste like but thought it worth a go ;D
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It's not Kaboucha, i grow those.
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Sweet Dumpling?
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If it's saved seed...missed that bit last time....it could be a cross between two varieties. I grow my kaboucha squash from collected seed and most of them come true some look like a cross between Kaboucha and crown prince sort of dark green crown prince instead of pale grey.
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the answer is so very simple. what you have is green colour mutation in a pumpkin.
this very common and can be seen sometimes with a plant producing both green and orange colour fruits. You all are so very funny with your guesses.
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Well, even if you get a crossed one, would it be edible?? ???
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the answer is so very simple. what you have is green colour mutation in a pumpkin.
this very common and can be seen sometimes with a plant producing both green and orange colour fruits. You all are so very funny with your guesses.
So glad you find us all so amusing. :)
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I grow these every year
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Have to say they look just like my "de Nice" summer squash as Squashman has already said. I grow these every year as I think they have a slightly nuttier flavour than courgettes. They are lovely when stuffed with peppers, tomatoes and basil pesto and cooked slowly.
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betula don't blame me if you all don't have the experience or knowledge to answer a simple veg identification question.
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My Kaboucha squash are dark green, they are not a colour mutation! This one could easily have been a cross between two varieties one of them green so we are not silly with our guesses GG!
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betula don't blame me if you all don't have the experience or knowledge to answer a simple veg identification question.
Bu***r off!!!
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the answer is so very simple. what you have is green colour mutation in a pumpkin.
this very common and can be seen sometimes with a plant producing both green and orange colour fruits. You all are so very funny with your guesses.
Very funny! You're talking kaka, and you know it! Nobody can say for sure until it matures...
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OllieC i am not talking rubbish. But after 20 years of experience in olericulture and plant breeding. I know what the results will most likely be. But if want I will make you a wager as to the result. 5oz 99.99% silver bullion or 5 oz of silver coins a fair enough stake for a wager on the subject.
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It's a deal - especially since I don't know what olericulture is. But a public apology for being so patronising will suffice when I win!
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Olericulture is the science of vegetable growing, dealing with the culture of non-woody (herbaceous) plants for food.
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Yes, I read that on Wikipedia too. And it will make my smugness all the more smug!
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so what will you give me when i win since I am certain my answer is a fata comple .
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Er, since you know so much, you'll be aware that pumpkins are nearly always green when they're growing, and turn orange as they ripen. My point is that you have insufficient information to make your identification so I'm already right, even if you get lucky later on (which is highly unlikely).
And what's a "fata comple"? Some kind of dish made complete by the addition of greek cheese?
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Don't worry Ollie this guy usually gets kicked off boards, he won't be around to collect.
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sorry ollie wrong again pumpkins can start out both orange and green. And the green can turn orange later but the ones that start out orange.never turn green.
"Fait accompli is Latin
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Kea I only get kicked off board for retaliating against those who make personal attacks against me when they are proven wrong, when they are to to stubborn to admit they are wrong.
As for the wager 5 oz of silver is the bet. If you unwilling to take the bet and then admit you are wrong that will be end of it.
It only a simple bet of about £50.
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kea OllieC betula abusive language and actions like you are directing toward me is what has pretty much killed the bbc gardening boards. And is clearly against the rules here.
so try to behave.
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I'm not using abusive language. I was stating a fact.
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no but action are abusive. You really to learn what the word "and" means.
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First ever time I've used the "ignore" button.
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Somehow I'm reminded of "gridgardener" who was posting in a similar vein last year regarding San Marzano tomatoes. Could be one and the same ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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Hi all. just to put in my two penneth, the picture could be anyone of a number of squash, therfore it would be impossible to accurately identify this one at this stage,however you can cut down the options a bit by deciding which family of squash it belongs to and comparing that to the seeds you may have had.
The foliage is slightly different on the four families and is helpful in identifying the unknowns.
If anyone is interested I can post the differences for you.
Happy squashing!!
XX Jeannine
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Welcome back Jeannine - obviously your computer is better now. At last we've got someone who knows what they're talking about....
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Suzanne, you mention "de Nice" and I presume they are spherical "Ronde de Nice"
I am in Nice at the moment and cannot wait to get back next week to my "Longue de Nice" which, last year cropped earlier and then later than traditional varieties such as Black Prince.
They also were not affected by mildew.
http://www.allaboutliverpool.com/allaboutallotments_Vegetables_courgettes.html
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Thanks Trevor, I have finally got the blooming thing going, I hate new computers.
It would appear I have missed a few choice postings!!!
I think one of ther things I enjoy about squash is the potential for mystery, it can be quite interesting to find something new and watching it mature.
So many things could change between now and harvesting, size, colour, surface texture,shape etc, we should run a guess the squash competition one year.
I have some new seeds from Oz this year that are only known in a very small area and am quite excited about those.
XX Jeannine
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Woohoo !!!!!! Don't have any pumpkins and my only squash are courgettes but never mind!!! Jeannine is here! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
How are you gal?
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Hiya yourself!! I am just great, finally got my fingers on a pooter, it has been a nightmare but finally I am back letting my fingers do the talking. It is amazing how useless we feel without one.
Counting the days to school hols, bet you are too.
I feel so out of date, so many new names too. It will take me till Christmas to catch up.
Hope you are well, nice to chat with you Anne.
XX Jeannine
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Somehow I'm reminded of "gridgardener" who was posting in a similar vein last year regarding San Marzano tomatoes. Could be one and the same ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Thegreatgardener=Gridgardener=Towerlightning=Rolet
Probably numerous other usernames too they are from the USA & they regularly try to make a nuisance of themselves on numerous gardening forums but luckily we always have ignore buttons we can use so we don't have to bother reading the rubbish they come out with.
BTW thegreatergardener fata comple means fates compass & fait accompli means a fact accomplished, your post would of made more sense if you had used the latter phrase initially. If you choose to use Latin whilst trolling gardening forums you really should learn to use it correctly e.g. Quo usque tandem abutere, thegreatgardener, patientia nostra?
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Furthermore, 'fait accompli ', as I'm sure Baccyman knows but kindly forebore to point out, is French not Latin.
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Not exactly Barnowl, I had misread tgg's post & thought that he had answered OllieC's question "what's a "fata comple"?" with another smartarse response which I misread as "Fait accompli, it's Latin" I assumed he was answering in French to continue to attempt to sound more intelligent than he is so I was pointing out he had translated it incorrectly as much as anything.
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... so just to clarify, you had misunderstood the full extent to which he was making a fool of himself? :P
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Yes.
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Somehow I'm reminded of "gridgardener" who was posting in a similar vein last year regarding San Marzano tomatoes. Could be one and the same ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Thegreatgardener=Gridgardener=Towerlightning=Rolet
It's the same smart-arse attitude combined with really bad grammar and spelling.....which is why I referred to him as GG which is what we called him on the BBC boards for short even when he changed his name to try and hide. He doesn't contribute much, he upsets people, pushes you into fighting back then tells the moderator that you're being abusive to him. I felt sorry for him at first as he's obviously got some kind of problem but I soon got over that when people I liked were driven off the boards. I myself hardly visit the BBC boards anymore because of him. Fortunately here we do have the ignore button!
He's already accused me of abusive actions....well here (above) is a big one for him! it should get his knickers in a twist.
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ignore him ;D
back to the subject, if it's a crossed squash/pumpkin, can I take it off or do I need to let it mature on the plant
last year, we grew butternuts (this is from a seed from one), small sugar, some of which went orange, others stayed mainly green, plus tondo and green bush courgettes..
it's growing by the minute, I'll take some more pics tomorrow
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Sounds like your butternut just crossed with one of your other varieties. All the others on the same bush would be similar you could leave it to see it it gets bigger/changes colour it's probably immature anyway. You sure you didn't get your seed/plants muddled up that could explain it as well.
I am taking your advice it's the only thing to do here.
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don't think I can have got the plants or seeds mixed,I've only grown tondo and yellow corgettes, jack be little, baby boo and our own saved seed in squash/pumpkins ???
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Did your neighbours grow a different squash. I was looking at the female only flowers on my squash and courgettes today and wistfully thinking it would have been great if there was a male flower then I realised there was...over the fence, so hopefully the bees noticed too.
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possibly, lots of new people on this year so I can't remember who grew what ;D
anyway, I'll leave them and see what happens
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don't think I can have got the plants or seeds mixed,I've only grown tondo and yellow corgettes, jack be little, baby boo and our own saved seed in squash/pumpkins ???
Isn't Tondo a round type courgette, similar to but normally darker than Ronda de Nice? I did think that summer squash were curcubita pepo and butternuts from curcubita moschata? We really need to ask Jeannine but I didn't think these would cross. However Jack be Little is a pepo so could it be that the seeds were mixed up and this is a Tondo/Jack cross? Not sure about Baby Boo - but I think that could be a pepo as well. :-\
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this is the first year growing the jbl and baby boo so it can't have crossed last year, only with the small sugar, I've had a think and the only other squash that were grown last year were butternuts, there were only 2 of us growing any kind of squash, the rest grew courgettes, :)
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Small Sugar is a pepo as well it that helps at all.
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Picture it it helps for comparison
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Which now comparing the two - your original picture is much lighter and rounder. When you eventually harvest this you are going to have to let us know what it is like - you could have developed a new variety - could call it manics munchkin pumpkin! ;D
Ps I am going to copywrite the name just in case. 8)
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Hi Manics.
Your small sugar,green bush and tondo would cross together, but they would not cross with the butternut. someone suggested it was a little gem, but this would not cross with either the butternut OR the first three.
I would just leave it on, the only thing you would need to know is if it was a summer or winter for storage purposes.
XX Jeannine
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Manics, just an afterthought try putting ity into a family.
Pepo. leaves and stems are prickly. fruit stem is hard and has 5 sharply angular sides,can be bush or long vines.Seeds are white. ( Small sugar is one)
Maxima. Very long vines, huge leaves, leaves and stems are hairy. stem is round.soft. Seeds are thick and brown with cellophane coatings.
Moschata. Large leaves, spreading vines leaves and stems are hairy but fruit stem is hard and only slightly angular,fruit stem flares out where it attaches to the fruit, leaves are darker green than Mixta and have a pounted leaf tip,small oblong seeds with a dark margin.( Butternut is one) The sepals at the base of the flower are arrow headed.
Mixta. Large leaves, spreading vines, leaves and stems are hairy fruit stem is hard and slightly angular, fruit stem fllares out but much less that Moschata , the leaves are paler green than Moschata and they have a rounded leaf tip .seeds are white with a cellophane coating.(Little Gem is one)..not Gem by the way . Thwe sepals at the base of the flower are generalt straight.
XX Jeannine
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thanks, everyone, sounds like a pepo, Jeannine, the leaves and stem are very prickly..here are some more pics, got 2 now, against fibre pots for comparison
I hope it tastes nice, ;D
;D ;D @ suzanne
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You guys know too damned much! You're bamboozling me!!! :o :o
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Me too!
Just tell us what it tastes like.
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Me too :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ The sex life of these plants is far too complicated for me.
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update, must be a 'small' sugar cross ;D