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Title: Whats this
Post by: Andy H on May 11, 2008, 10:15:23
This has popped up from the depths but what is it?

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c180/beckyandy/gardenfishmay08001.jpg)
Title: Re: Whats this
Post by: ceres on May 11, 2008, 10:19:22
Some kind of arum lily?
Title: Re: Whats this
Post by: Georgie on May 11, 2008, 10:24:15
Yes I agree.  Might be Arum Italicum?

G x
Title: Re: Whats this
Post by: Andy H on May 11, 2008, 10:31:57
Think you may be right!  I googled and found pictures of leaves and berries which we have seen before but none showed the actual flower? But yes the berries we saw last year, keep pulling up but they return.

They seem to survive like bind weed!!!
Title: Re: Whats this
Post by: Robert_Brenchley on May 11, 2008, 13:13:55
They're very persistent but it's a good shade plant, and quite ornamental if left to develop. If you've got any deep shade that's the place for it. I've got arums round the garden, but the ones under a hedge where they never get any sunlight are the biggest.
Title: Re: Whats this
Post by: ceres on May 11, 2008, 13:21:10
Andy, if you're not pulling it out this time (!) could you save some seed when it berries again?  I've got lots of deep shade and anything new and interesting is always welcome. 
Title: Re: Whats this
Post by: nippie on May 11, 2008, 17:44:07
Is it Lords and Ladies?? A poisonous wild plant.
http://www.the-tree.org.uk/EnchantedForest/WoodlandFlowers/lordsandladies.htm
Title: Re: Whats this
Post by: Robert_Brenchley on May 11, 2008, 18:56:22
What I can see of the leaf is more like italicum.
Title: Re: Whats this
Post by: Andy H on May 11, 2008, 19:02:19
Ceres I pulled it up but it will be back and there may be another one somewhere

Email me you email and I will make a note.....

Andy
Title: Re: Whats this
Post by: Georgie on May 11, 2008, 19:46:43
As luck would have it my Arum Italicum came out today.  Here's a picture:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/georgie_girl15/Perennials/ArumItalicumMay08.jpg)

As Robert says it's a lovely plant for shade.   :)

G x
Title: Re: Whats this
Post by: Andy H on May 11, 2008, 20:21:15
The Lords and Ladies link above looks the same as yours Georgie

Probably got lots of names as do most things.
Title: Re: Whats this
Post by: star on May 11, 2008, 21:33:24
There are loads growing in the woods at the back of my house, I meant to collect berries last year and forgot. I will remember this year
Title: Re: Whats this
Post by: Andy H on May 11, 2008, 22:19:28
The berries are poisonous? what do you collect them for?
Title: Re: Whats this
Post by: star on May 11, 2008, 22:26:56
To grow some Arum, I have a very shady border that is hard to plant up ;)
Title: Re: Whats this
Post by: Andy H on May 11, 2008, 22:39:34
oh right ha! missed the obvious..... :-X
Title: Re: Whats this
Post by: star on May 11, 2008, 22:42:46
No probs Andy  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Whats this
Post by: Palustris on May 12, 2008, 08:56:19
The native Arum is Arum maculatum. The one normally grown with variegated leaves is a form of Arum italicum. Grown from berries the variegated one does not always produce well variegated leaves. Both however are very invasive. Whilst poisonous there are no records of anyone actually dying of eating them. From reports it would take a very very determined person to consume more than one taste of the berries. It supposedly is like chewing a mouthful of extremely sharp needles (their words, not mine)
Title: Re: Whats this
Post by: Rhubarb Thrasher on May 12, 2008, 09:26:45
though you can make flour out of the roots (shows how desperate people were in the past). Thomas Hardy said the berries and the spathe were like an apoplectic cardinal in a malachite niche (somewhere)
Title: Re: Whats this
Post by: star on May 12, 2008, 22:20:33
I would guess the invasive nature is down to berry drop? So if I removed the berries they would behave better  ???
Title: Re: Whats this
Post by: Andy H on May 12, 2008, 22:44:36
I doubt it ;D they just keep coming back
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