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General => The Shed => Topic started by: keef on June 30, 2007, 20:38:51
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Will be savouring a last f*g in the pub tonight - i only ever smoke the odd f*g when out drinking, so thats that then...whats next on the list i wonder?
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Lokks like fags are banned on here too.
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Not where I`m sitting they aren`t. Anyway, being rather a cynical type I`m convinced the whole fiasco is a money-raising stunt that backfired.
Remember when our Tony and his gang decided to ban cigarette advertising on F1 racing cars? Bernie Ecclestone subbed up a thumping big donation to Labour party funds and the ban quietly went away, but when the newspapers found out the donation had to be returned.
Then they discovered that they could no longer raise donations by flogging peerages.
No doubt the announcement of the present ban was expected to provide similar donations from the tobacco manufacturers, but it didn`t, and now we`re stuck with the ban.
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I have sat in my castle between building beds; drinking bitter and smoking. Life is grand and no one tell me to do otherwise. Jack
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Smoke free pubs, bookies and clubs sounds like bloody heaven. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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It's interesting that the first political regime to ban smoking on health grounds was the Nazi party. Just a thought.
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The Hitler Youth Regiments got a sweet ration instead of Cigs....
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I don't like loud music or TV's in pubs...very, very anti-social, and where I see it I don't go in.
Leave the landlord to control how he runs his pub and keep the government out of it. A smoking ban in eating places I agree with, same as work places, but if I want a pint and a f*g after work in my local, then I should be allowed to continue doing so, as has been the case since tobbacco came to Britain.
If the anti-smoking lobby want a smoke free environment, don't change what there is already in place, go build one. That way we all have a choice. Smoke free or smoky...take your pick.
...and ban lager, mobile phones, people who don't know how to drink from a glass and bring back spitoons!
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i only ever smoke the odd f*g when out drinking,
Mine, usually. ::)
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As my local has been smoke free for years I'd much rather that they had banned children from pubs instead ;D
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I like the sound of banning mobiles. ;D ;D ;D
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stopped smoking 3 years ago come August.....I smoked for almost 30 yearsand to tell you the truth, I can't stand the smell of them now, but I believe every one should have the choice...............it should be down to the landlord to make that decision about his business, that goes for the restaurant and cafe owner too...................talk about nanny state !!!!!!!!!!
smokers put an awful lot of money in to the government coffers.more than enough to pay for their healthcare I would have thought.........
If they want to do it properly ....ban fags altogether
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i hate to put a spoke in here, ignore me if you want, my son works in a bar and is a non-smoker, i welcome the ban for the kids who work there but 'smoke' in spite of never having a f*g...also, there's cancer genes all over our family..some from smoking related...anyway, rant over, folks...do as you want but, leave kids like my son out of it :)
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Synposis
No children (my four are too old to be classified as tiddlers)
No mobiles
To loud music (unless it is something we like)
No Oiks, Nazi's, Lager drinkers or footballers, itinerant peddalrs, fakirs or ne'er do wells
See ya down the library then!
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Its all a bit daft, the pub i go to quite often everyone in there will be smoking or is a smoker (including the staff), so what happens now then - we all have to go outside, its just silly.
It will save on the washing though, your clothes do reek after a night in a smoky pub. However now all you'll smell in the pub will be stale beer and the gents lavvy wafting in everytime the door opens..loads of flies and midges too (from outside not the gents..)
Well of course i live in the sticks - and the opening hours were flouted for years before they were extended, i suspect this one will be flouted too.
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I agree with Marilyn. The people that work in pubs shouldn't be subjected to the smoke of others. Personally I stopped going to pubs a few years ago because of the smoke. I hated the smell on my clothes and hair when I got home. And the irony is that although smoking in public places has been banned in Scotland for some time, I haven't returned to the pub.
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Perhaps they should ban loud music in night clubs because the long term hearing damage suffered by the staff..
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Radio 2 were reviewing papers this morning and covered the no-smoking ban and then said that apparently the government are considering whether smoking in front of your children could be considered abuse. I was really shocked and can't help but think of 1984.
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As a barmaid in my student days, I smoked but by the end of the night would absolutely stink of smoke - it was putrid seeing the air stuffed with smoke. I think the problem with this country is companies are too tight to invest in decent air conditioners/extracters... I have been in many restaurants/bars in the past and you couldnt smell smoke at all - the smoke was instantly sucked up and taken away.
My mum's place is like a July pub since she stopped smoking. Cant say i enjoy going round now and having to stand outside.
Smoking is bad... I will give up one day! I just wish it were easier!
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Absolutely unbelievably the Italians accepted the smoking ban (mostly) without question :( :(
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They didn't tell us it was bad for us way back did they though? Hubby's grandma gave up when she was in her 80's and we said goodbye to her at 107! Hubby's ma is in her 80's and still partaking. We don't smoke in restuarants or around non-smokers, but how do we stand at work? Just the two of us - we could hold any meeting after a 24 hour smoke free zone, not allow anyone to cross the threshold uninvited. Having said that, if we all gave up everyone's tax would rise considerably!
Sir Walter Raleigh got it right with potatoes........................
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I think that smokers need to realise that no one is trying to stop them smoking. It is just that the 4 out of 5 people who don't want to breath their smoke have said enough is enough and if smokers want to smoke they can do so away from others who do not want to breath it. Want to put your life at risk? Go ahead, it's entirely your choice but don't try and take mine with you.
In introducing this ban, smoking is only being brought into line with drinking and sex. In both activities you are free to enjoy yourself until you start to harm others ( forced sex, under age sex, drunk and disorderly, drink driving etc.) at that point we legislate to prevent the harm. The legislation regarding smoking is not pointing the way ahead to some dark orwellian world but simply bringing smoking in line with the way our other activities are regulated.
Being drunk and sick in public is illegal. Littering the street and other people's property is also illegal. Drinkers defend their freedom to drink but accept the legislation which makes any resulting activity which adversely affects others illegal. All we are now doing is expecting smokers to accept the same resrictions. Many city centres have passed by laws banning public drinking. We do not hear of drinkers bleating about the infringement of their rights to drink when and where they want, we just accept the law and get on with our lives - smokers would do well to follow this example.
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Its just about acceptable that people should not be subjected to others smoke - i can understand the reasoning, however if everyone in a pub, club, cafe wants to smoke or dont mind others smoking then why cant we ? thats what annoys me.. I would say that the vast majority of people that regualry drink in pubs have no issue with it...
Today everyone knows the dangers of smoking - if you dont then quite frankly your ignorant, so why cant the government let us make out own minds up?
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although smoking in public places has been banned in Scotland for some time, I haven't returned to the pub.
Hmmm. The (non-smoking) landlord of one of our locals has been saying for some time that non-pubgoers will flock to his pub in droves once the smoking ban comes in. I think he is wrong.
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I would rather see the amount of alcohol in alcoholic drinks reduced, if going to the pub is a "social thing" why do you need 5% in beer,13% in wine and up to or over 50% in spirits?
When was the last time somebody had a f*g or two too many got in the car and killed a person or went home and kicked the sxxx out of their family.
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I gave up 3 years ago cos I developed COPD. I had smoked heavily for 40 years. Not only that but I had retired and couldn't really afford to finance my habit. Tony has never smoked since I met him. To be honest I don''t know how he put up with it for so long cos the smell alone gets to me now. Don't get me wrong I still fancy one sometimes but I now have the strength to resist. I don't know how I feel about the ban if I was well and wealthy. I would probably say s*d it and carry on
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On the tv (i forget which side) it was said the government collects BILLIONS in tobacco revenue, if everybody stops smoking you watch your taxes go up.
there is no way the NHS is going to save that amount of money, most smokers probably pay NI anyway.
P.S
I stopped smoking in april this year because i was fed up with giving this hypocritical (smoking allowed in houses of parliment) government some of my hard earned pension. Its a struggle but i`m winning thanks to my wife.;
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As a really heavy smoker, I will be giving up drinking in pubs. I know it is easy to give up smoking, (I've done it hundreds of times) but I like a smoke and now I would not benefit if I stopped. I would get fatter, rattier and I suppose I would live longer as a useless old man.
I still reckon it s part of Tesco's scheme to take over the world. We will all be buying our booze in their stores to consume at home. Then every other advert on the telly will be 'Get booze and ciggies here and we will donate an iron lung to the NHS.
I still need convincing that second hand smoke is harmful. My wife has been a passive smoker all her life, with no ill effects. She reacts badly to cats, but she would be reported if she refused to go into somebodies house that owns one. But she could refuse to go to a smokers house and nothing would happen.
Todays national health service is in dire straits, just imagine what it would have been like in the sixties, when the tax on tobacco kept it going.
Baked beans and and other wind producing food will be banned next and fat bar stewards will have to stay at home after eating.
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Am I one of the few on A4A who is genuinely really pleased about the smoking ban? ;D
Couldn't wait for it. At last we can eat in restaurants without having smoke blown into our food and faces by the nice, thoughtful smokers at the next table. People talk about smoker's rights, but there are responsibilities that come with rights -- sadly, people behave with such inconsideration these days that one has no choice but to hope for a legislative ban as the only way to stop them. :(
vw
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Most restaurants have had a no smoking policy for a few years now. So why did you go to ones that don't. I thought that should have been enough for the non smokers.
Ask any smoker on this forum if they smoke in restaurants. The answer will be no, and as for blowing smoke in peoples faces, you must have been eating at some low life dives.
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Well said Ace.
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Good grief!!!
Low life dives?? Try most restaurants in London.
If you want to go to somewhere non-smoking in London, chances are it'll be a Pizza Hut or KFC!!
You may not smoke in restaurants but there are plenty of people who do, and will even blow smoke in your direction when your OH brings out an inhaler because it has given them asthma problems. It is unfortunate that it requires legislation and government interference but obviously there are plenty of people out there who need to be forced to behave considerately.
vw
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Give up driving and I'll give up fags. I have absolutely no say in most of the country being given up to motor cars/roads/car parks and out of town shopping malls. When I mention it, people look at me as if i am insane.
Rant over - it's probably because i need a f*g - sorry.
Jack
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Personally I'm over the moon!
The boozer now smells a bit sweaty/musty, but that won't damage the health of my lungs. I'd say about 95% of the folk that frequent our boozer have took the ban fairly well, all be it with much grumbling up until last Saturday. As a result, everyone is smoking less, spending less money, and most agree that it's not that much of an inconvenience popping outside for a 'cigarette break'. Some have even decided to quit, claiming that the hardest hurdle for giving up previously was smoking in the pub.
Our boozer is no busier or quieter as of yet, so I can't see there being a problem. It 'is' a nicer place to be in now, and no more worries over 2nd hand smoke for punters and staff, which can only be a good thing.
It's one of the best laws brought in during my lifetime. If you want to smoke, don't do it near me.
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There is a website which describes itself as a haven for smokers and non-smokers who believe in freedom of choice which may be of some interest.
http://www.forestonline.org
The smoking ban has been in effect since the 2nd April in Wales I haven't been to the pub (which was always smoke free anyway as they have high quality extractor fans) for a drink since it came in. I used to be there virtually every night, now I sit at home drinking homebrew & smoking instead.
I have no intention of giving up smoking. I don't have a financial incentive as I grow my own tobacco at a cost of £0.02 per ounce so there would be no significant saving. Anyone who knows me agrees that the health benefits are are not an incentive in my case and I can't think of any other reason why I should give up one of the few pleasures I do have.
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We have the same "high quality" extractor fans, and while they do "a job", they certainly don't make the place smoke free. I do feel sympathy for fellahs who've been in the boozer for all their life having a smoke and a beer, as it is a big change. But, it is a necesary one, and one that in the future will be thought nothing of. I can't see what the problem with nipping outside for a smoke is that would prevent so many from not enjoying the social aspect of the pub.
When I used to smoke, I used to go the pub for a beer and the company. When I gave up, admittedly I had to stay away for a month, as I'd have failed. But, I still go there for the beer and people, maybe the other way around if I'm totally honest.
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I'm with you on this one Tim and Womble, a few of my mates are grumbling about going outside, but they are in and out of the pub all night on them poxy mobiles so have a f*g while on the mobile, (double dose.) ???
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Once upon a time pubs had 'Tap-rooms.' A male only environment...that went under the hammer with the intro of the sex discrimination act and pool tables, and along with it went the social side of what a pub is really all about.
I don't want to sit in my local at a table next to another one with a load of screaming kids spilling 'pop' and crisps all over the place and running around as though it were a playground, thank you very much. (OK, not all of them do it but just one is one too many).
If it's a 'smoking pub' and people don't want that, then go somewhere else, if it's a teen pub with high decibel 'music' and you don't want that, then go somewhere else, if it's a non-smoking pub and you want to smoke, then go some-where else. But for goodness sake, shouldn't pubs be run according to Landlord not government rules? Doesn't the Landlord know his local clientel best, and what they prefere and what is best to keep him in business and the pub running?
Why not a smoking room if the pub is big enough? (Once upon a time we had a kids area...these days you have to dodge around them to get to the bar.)
People talk about smoking infront of kids as a bad example and could even be called abuse. I say taking kids into pubs has a far more long term bad effect.
And people who don't relize that you don't have to shout into a mobile phone should be made to stand outside in the rain to use it.
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Our boozer is no busier or quieter as of yet, so I can't see there being a problem. It 'is' a nicer place to be in now, and no more worries over 2nd hand smoke for punters and staff, which can only be a good thing.
After only one night of the ban - probably a little too early to tell dont you think..
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I know that in a restaurant if I had the choice of sitting opposite a smoker or a breastfeeding mother I know which I would choose. I have never had smoke "blown into my face" by neighbouring diners - or anyone else at any other time for that matter, but I have been poked in the ribs by a child who wandered over from the other side of the restaurant, and on another occasion a child sneezed on my leg. No wonder I avoid "family friendly" eateries.
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I can't see what the problem with nipping outside for a smoke is that would prevent so many from not enjoying the social aspect of the pub.
I can - now that legal opening hours have been extended. Saturday night - 1am a quite little village pub surrounded by houses, loads of punters on the street smirting, chatting, laughing, shouting, arguing etc...whatever the level of noise, its really going to p*ss some folk off! What about pubs with B&B faclilities ? One of our locals has his designated smoking area in the courtyard - which is surrounded by B&B rooms.
What about disabled people, having to push their way through the crowd every time they want to go out for a f*g? And then only to come back in 10 minutes later to find someone has nicked there seat?
What If your a landlord / bar person running a pub on your own during the week, and you fancy a f*g - well sorry you cant, unless you dont mind leaving the bar unattended.
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The majority of people don't want smoking in restaurants. As a smoker I go along with that. Guess what tho', restaurant owners don't like it! We've been 'smoke free here in Belgium for a few months now and the restaurant/cafe takings are down!
After a meal comes the coffee and drinks....and fags! Without the fags a hugh amount of money walks out of the door. Myself and 9 others did exactly that last Friday, last year we visited the same place for the same celebration and sat around for about 3 hours after the meal, drinking a heck of a lot of beer and brandy, this year we legged it right after the meal to a cafe where we were allowed to smoke. We spent all our money there on drinks.
The answer has to be a bar/room set aside for people to drink, chat and smoke after a meal.
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At the end of the day, smokers will adjust, just like they (and others) adjust to each and every other change in life :) and if this new ban deters just one more person from lighting up then surely it's been worth it? :)
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if this new ban deters just one more person from lighting up then surely it's been worth it? :)
No. At some point, sooner or later, we will hear of a fatal accident involving a car ploughing into a group of people standing outside a pub, who would have been inside were it not for the ban.
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I'm pleased about the ban, as neither I nor my OH smoke. I'm meeting some friends next week in one of the bars in town to celebrate the end of term and am looking forward to not smelling of smoke when I leave.
In my teens I worked in a really smoky bar and I swear my clothes could have carried me home if I'd been too tired to walk. My nan, granddad, mum & dad all smoked very heavily when I was a child - me and my brother used to sit on the floor to watch tv - underneath the blue haze that was always present in nan's front room.
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It's no exaggeration, many restaurants are so tightly packed that whenever people smoke next to you, the smoke gets into your face, your eyes, etc. and there is usually NO consideration shown whatsoever. >:(
Like OH said, the smoking ban is merely the enforcement of responsibility, rather than the denial of liberty.
vw
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I don't know of a restaurant that allows smoking. Most of the people I know who smoke wouldn't dream of lighting up in a restaurant.
There are three pubs on my street; one shut last week, another was sold. They will both become gastro-pubs so no real people will go in there any more. The only busy days will be on Sundays when the 4x4 comes out with Mother.
A poll of the locals/regulars in my pub found that there was no support for a smoking ban. Two dissenters were out-of-towners who have bought houses we can't afford any more, who appear about twice a year in the pub, spend £5 and sneer at us as we are not fashionable, support hunting and don't read the Guardian. Westminster dictats to us rural types really drive me to distraction. No one understands me - I demand a therapist and a Pylates course!
Angry Jack
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I don't know of a restaurant that allows smoking. Most of the people I know who smoke wouldn't dream of lighting up in a restaurant.
Come to London and find a restaurant that banned smoking before the official ban went up. You'll most likely be eating either Angus steaks or American pizzas. ::)
vw
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Let me fill everybody in on the situation in Ireland since the smoking ban came into effect in 2004. I was a 15 a day man until the ban came into force. We made all the same arguments ( and more ) against the ban that I am reading here today. Now, in 2007 the vast majority of people( smokers included) agree that it was a good idea and couldn't envisage returning to the days of smelly pubs, restaurants,clothes, hair,etc, etc.
I now only smoke the very odd cigarette and only when I go to the pub. YES, only when I go to the pub. We have learned that those who continue to smoke despite the ban are the very sociable among us. There is a new subculture where the smoking areas outside the pubs and restaurants are buzzing with laughter and banter. Even the non-smokers come out to join in. There have been a lot of novel 'Smoking' areas set up complete with heaters, ramps for disabled etc.
And if you don't like smoke in your eyes, then stay away, you have no right to complain.For the first time in years smokers are no longer subjected to the abuse over their habit because the opposers are no longer amongst them.
Smokers can still smoke, but it will be in a different way to what they are used to.
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I would want to go to London just to be lectured by someone who doesn't like what they don't do themselves - I think they are called Fascists.
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Its too late discussing it now we've let let it happen. Last night local pub had 4 in at 10 o clock normally around 15. Landlord says his takings are down 70% over weekend. I reckon its another nail in the coffin for your local pub and working mens clubs. I bet Tescos are loving it {again}
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Couldn't agree more. Working men and women are out of fashion, ordinary people don't count. When my wife says that she is a housewife you should see the looks of disgust she gets.
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I give up. From the attitudes shown here, you people are obviously the reason the ban was needed in the first place!
Touchy!
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Touchy!
So would you be if you were forced to give up a nicoteen addiction.
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My shed seems to be extremely popular since Sat night. Several pub ashtrays have appeared and the quantity of beer bottles is reassuring. Consequently I have rounded up a couple more spades and the progress on raised bed building immensely satifying.
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Its too late discussing it now we've let let it happen. Last night local pub had 4 in at 10 o clock normally around 15. Landlord says his takings are down 70% over weekend. I reckon its another nail in the coffin for your local pub and working mens clubs. I bet Tescos are loving it {again}
When none smokers realize that at the end of a night out they will no longer smell like an old ashtray,then the landlord will see is takings go up!
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At least we can argue the pros and cons of the smoking ban on this forum without any abuse, that in it`s self is a good thing isn`t it. ???
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The 'closed environment anti-smoking' policy with regard to work places, shops, restaurants, and transport is one I go along with.
With regard to pubs and clubs, it should have been introduced as advice to Landlords with them making the decision rather than law.
After being at work or travelling for ages or after shopping or going for a meal, am I to then walk the park in the dark for a ciggy before that becomes an out-of-bounds area too or go home or just say 'OK, you win, I'll stop smoking?'
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Like OH said, the smoking ban is merely the enforcement of responsibility, rather than the denial of liberty.
vw
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Great thread, I've really enjoyed reading through this!
As ex smoker, ex barmaid I can say that if smoke really bothered the staff they wouldn't do the job as it gets pretty disgusting if you do an all dayer and if I still smoked I would be bloody livid at being told I can't!!
The whole issue is moot anyway. My mates local in Dublin has built an extension where the only difference to the bar outside is tht the roof is raised slightly and there is a 2 foot gap in between it and the walls. There is still music, a bar, heating. Ha. So there's always a loophole. I bet wetherspoons build them first.
Oh and no music in pubs???...hell on a stick. ;D Love music in pubs, obviously not at screaming levels but a good live band you cannot beat IMHO!
Banning tv in pubs would make more sense - although watching people spend money to sit on a less comfy sofa than their own gawking at Corro is quite entertaining.
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Like OH said, the smoking ban is merely the enforcement of responsibility, rather than the denial of liberty.
I thought that in Britain we always used to allow people to do pretty much what they like to themselves (volentis non fit inuria?). Health'n'safety have pretty much put an end to most of that, but name me anyone who voted for all the other petty restrictions on our lives e.g. hanging baskets a risk to the public and licences for events at village halls, bands with more than one player(?!) in a bistro or pub, etc etc.
The smoking restriction is a particularly noticeable example of curtailment of individual freedom, but even if you agree with it, don't forget to protest against all the others whenever possible.
From a financial standpoint tobacco raises more than is spent on smoking related illnesses, bit like petrol tax raises more than is spent on the roads, although that's not really a moral argument, you could say that it means smokers aren't actually a burden on the state.
Ho hum, I'm off for a cough and a drag....
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There you go Oldman you've already gained from the ban, more raised beds, so no more moaning OK. ;D ;D ;D
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I thought that in Britain we always used to allow people to do pretty much what they like to themselves (volentis non fit inuria?).
But that is the point,you are not just doing it to yourself when you smoke in public. :'(
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Several folk have said that taxes on tobacco raise more than is spent on dealing with smoking induced illness. I'd really like to have the stats on this since, if true, it gainsays a whole lot of government propaganda. Anyone got a link?
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Sorry peeps
It is being told what to do all the time that drives me to distraction. I see to visit the Eastern bloc before the wall came down and beleive me, being told what to do makes you lose yer spirit.
Nuff said.
Jack
PS Viva raised beds!
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Several folk have said that taxes on tobacco raise more than is spent on dealing with smoking induced illness. I'd really like to have the stats on this since, if true, it gainsays a whole lot of government propaganda. Anyone got a link?
Tax currently accounts for about 89% of the cost of a packet of 20 cigarettes bought in the UK I would of thought that covers the costs generated by smokers.
http://www.forestonline.org/output/page22.asp
This site has done a lot of research on most aspects of smoking I would suggest people read through the info on passive smoking as well as the tax vs healthcare info then they will find out that according to the Health and Safety Commission (in its draft Approved Code of Practice on Smoking at Work, July 1999), there remains absolutely no convincing scientific evidence that second-hand smoke can do lasting damage to the health of innocent bystanders
Here is a quote taken from the page linked to above relating specifically to their research on taxation & healthcare.
"In the UK, for example, tobacco tax revenue currently stands at £7 billion a year compared with the £1.5 billion it allegedly costs to tackle 'smoking-related' diseases. (Taxation revenue should of course be even higher - over £10 billion - but the Government has cleverly 'lost' £3 billion by over taxing tobacco and therefore encouraging smugglers and cross-Channel shoppers to buy the product abroad.)"
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and Don't forget the Pensions savings... if smokers like my parents could pay in for decades and not live long enough to claim any back...
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Forestonline.org is just one point of view though, and a fairly biased one at that. Plus, who cares about tax, government revenue and healthcare costs? Smoking kills, it's spawned a nation/world of addicts, it stinks and it does not send a good message to young people.
I can't believe folk argue for smoking in public as if it's a right, a right to be addicted. OK, "I enjoy a smoke", well smack heads quite often enjoy the feeling of a "fix", but they are still addicted, is it thier right? So the severity of either example is at each end of the scale, but if it's just because you enjoy it, why don't you give up for lent while I stay off the pies?...Didn't think you would. I'm not aiming that at anyone in particular, just smokers in general.
Statistically, and on average smoking will reduce your life. It's a little selfish to your family and dependents to willingly deny them of your presence, even if you don't care. Sure, just about everything will kill you these days and everyone has thier vices, but smoking really is up there as number 1. I can honestly predict in the future (100 years say), that smoking will be looked at as a fairly gruesome thing. Maybe they'll have fags that don't contain nicotine/tar/carconagenics (sp?).
Anyway, no smoking in public, its a good thing. But, street pollution needs addressing (hybrids all around anyone / LPG) as much as smoking has been, as well as millions of other problems. This one is a step in the right direction though.
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If it is as bad as they say it is why don't they ban the sale of tobacco completely.
I know it would go underground and Baccyman would make his fortune, but at least I might believe some of the hype they have been putting about.
Perhaps there are too many tobacco shareholders in high places for that to happen.
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Ace I wouldn't make my fortune if smoking went underground my wife would just go shopping a lot more often leaving me just as poor as I am now.
Timiano I realise forestonline is a very biased pro smokers site however I am yet to discover an impartial site on the subject of smoking most are anti smoking & are therefore also biased forestonline do however offer evidence to back up what they say unlike a lot of anti smoking sites who come up with a load of propoganda & very little if anything to back it up with.
One thing I think should be looked at is the way tobacco is produced commercially. There are unfair farming practices for example the people who grow it are paid a pittance whilst the big tobacco companies make millions. The approved additives list should be rethought currently there are around 600 approved additives 47 are proven carcinogenics & should be banned most of the others are completely unnescessary, if it was a food product the additives would be put under much more scrutiny I think the same should apply to tobacco.
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I can't believe folk argue for smoking in public as if it's a right, a right to be addicted. OK, "I enjoy a smoke", well smack heads quite often enjoy the feeling of a "fix", but they are still addicted, is it thier right?
No it's not their right but if the same rules applied to smokers we would be given free childcare, housing, more benefit to feed our nicotene addiction, if we committed a crime the penalties would be less severe than on a non smoker and we'd all be able to apply to the dole to pay our bills when we'd spent all our money on cigs. ;D ;D ;D
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Went out for a drink tonight it was bloody loverly to sit and have a pint in a smoke free pub. Had to laugh at all the smokers out in the car park under umbrella's in the rain ......a fire at one end and a fool the other sprung to mind. ::) ;D
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How many fools were outside and how many fools were inside?.....and which fools were sitting with their mouths shut either staring at the ceiling or at each other with half a warm lager and a boring look on their faces?...The fools inside or the fools outside?.....and which fools were laughing and chatting and joking to each other?....The fools inside, or the fools outside?...and which fools were having the best time?...The fools inside or the fools outside?
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Steady now KK we don't want everyone outside :)
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Tonight is the first time I've read this thread because I just knew it would be contentious.
I used to be a smoker, and smoked around my daughter who would cough and have ear infections and chest infections all brought on by my (and OH's) smoking. When I look back it was soooooo selfish what I was doing and I knew it at the time but cared more for my own happiness than that of my 3 year old.
Fortunately for me I had an epiphany one day when I realised that I had sparked up for no other reason than that was what I always did, and soon after managed to quit. It took OH 4 years longer to reach the same decision but we have now both been non smokers for years.
My parents smoked around me. And theirs around them. Dispite them waking up every day, hacking up phlegm, coughing, unable to walk up a flight of stairs they always maintained that smoking never did them any harm. Smokers always say that. A guy I work with smokes, and if he comes near you can smell it from around 10 feet away. It's like a bubble around him that never goes away.
Anyhoo, the reason I'm posting is to say that this ban has had to come into place because for years we have left it up to smokers to choose not to smoke in public places and to choose not to make non smokers gag but each and every one of you/them has chosen to waive that right and make everyone else suffer.
BTW - I did hear that the government were now thinking of looking at the level of noise in pubs and clubs! I'm out of here now in case someone chucks an ashtray at me!!
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How many fools were outside and how many fools were inside?.....and which fools were sitting with their mouths shut either staring at the ceiling or at each other with half a warm lager and a boring look on their faces?...The fools inside or the fools outside?.....and which fools were laughing and chatting and joking to each other?....The fools inside, or the fools outside?...and which fools were having the best time?...The fools inside or the fools outside?
15 in 7 out, :) the 7 outside all trying to get under the 1 brolly :P,definitely the 15 in all laughing and chatting and joking(bet ya cannot guess who the jokes where aimed at...no ....ill give you a clue there was 7 of them and they were getting wet)to each other ;D ;D. mmmm the last one is a bit tricky. :-\ it all depends if your idea of a good night out(no pun intended)is?. ;D
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Well, there you go, you didn't have to sit there looking bored after all, and it was obviously more entertaining than what usually goes on there for the whole pub to find staring out of the window so entertaining. Might turn into a regular turn and attract even more people.
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Just been down to the pub. Three chaps in there smoking, one of which was me! Onl;y muttered comments like "Good for you", "About friggin time someone stood up...." etc. Proud to be Brit and English
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And what would you all have done if the Landlord had told you all to put 'em out?
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Well, there you go, you didn't have to sit there looking bored after all, and it was obviously more entertaining than what usually goes on there for the whole pub to find staring out of the window so entertaining. Might turn into a regular turn and attract even more people.
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It could become a new pub game.....how many smokers can your pub get under a brolly. ;D ;D
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It's certainly going to be interesting to see reports from the anti-smoking spies who are going round pubs checking.
A friend of mine here in Belgium opened a new restaurant last February. The smoking ban was about to start here so he added a 'Bar-Room' to the building. No eating in there but smoking and drinking are legally allowed because it's a dedicated and sign-posted a smoking room.
If that's allowed here, then under EU law shouldn't it be allowed for UK pubs to state with a sign on the door, 'This is - is not - a Smoking allowed pub?'
This law will be tested in a hundred ways....like I said, will be intereting to see what happens.
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In Edinburgh landlords who have allowed smoking have been prosecuted and warned and/or fined. They can also lose their licence.
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....and if earnings go down, can they sue?
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Somewhere in the Kingdom of Wessex.. ;)
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Kingdom of Wessex we are! Staggering amount of pubs still allowing the weed but we had to through out a couple of non-smokers who grizzled!
Thank God we are sane down 'ere!
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Did you not 'THROW' them out then. ;D ;D ;D
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I confess i ended up smokig in pub friday. I'd only gone out in a t-shirt and by 10 o clock it was freezing so myself and 3or 4 mates sparked up. 2 couples nearby reported us to bouncers who came over threatened to thruogh us out so we put em out. Pubs round our way are'nt geared up for a ban. No shelters or heating.
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You put the bouncers out? Well done. ;D
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No they were big lads. I'm planning on York races on Friday i'm dreading it if thats no smoking. if it is i'm moving to Spain.
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Not all of them are prepared Northener because they all think its summer time, only us lotties know the the seasons are changing, it does make my laugh though watching them freeze. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Two more grizzlers thrown out of the pub last night too. These two are going to "report us to the council"! Since I have never heard of a council doing any work we are not actually quaking in our boots. However, I am thinking that the council spies will come out in the evening on overtime so I am thinking that the sanctimonious *fatherless children* might come!
Anyone spotted any of the parasitical layabouts yet?
Jack
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I lurv fresh air!!!!!!!!
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Anyone spotted any of the parasitical layabouts yet?
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Well they're hardly going to come in dressed in suits and bowler hats are they!? As soon as one of your fellow drinkers reports to them that you are still smoking in the pub they will send plain clothed people out with backup.
Did you challenge authority like this when seatbelt laws came in I wonder? That was hardly a decision made just to p*ss people off - it was just as legitimate as this smoking ban.
A lot of pubs lose trade when people give up smoking because the customers don't want to be surrounded by smokers, so saying that they will lose trade by stopping people is horse cr*p.
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Anyone spotted any of the parasitical layabouts yet?
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Well they're hardly going to come in dressed in suits and bowler hats are they!? As soon as one of your fellow drinkers reports to them that you are still smoking in the pub they will send plain clothed people out with backup.
Did you challenge authority like this when seatbelt laws came in I wonder? That was hardly a decision made just to p*ss people off - it was just as legitimate as this smoking ban.
A lot of pubs lose trade when people give up smoking because the customers don't want to be surrounded by smokers, so saying that they will lose trade by stopping people is horse cr*p.
They will be spotted in my local easily. No, I didn't challenge the seat belt laws, I don't have a car and your comment was a complete non-sequiter.
You have no idea about the trade in my local, nor about the people in it - so mind your own business.
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Oooooooooh! It'll be pistols at dawn next ;D ;D ;D
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"Grass for breakfast" is unfortunately, like smoking in public places illegal. I would have moaned about that law too.
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You have no idea about the trade in my local, nor about the people in it - so mind your own business.
MIND MY OWN BUSINESS!!!!?? >:(
Hang on a minute, you have openly and smugly told everyone that you intend to break a law which has only been implimented to protect vulnerable people from ignorant, irresponsible individuals like you and you tell me to mind my own business!!
You are acting like a spoilt kid who'se been told he can't have something so you're going to stamp your feet and beligerantly defy the law until you get what you want. Good luck with that! ::)
I don't care what your local is like, or the people that go there; I'm sure that many of the people who frequent the pubs in my village would have the same opinion as you do about the ban, but the point is that by smoking in an enclosed public area you are breaking the law. If you were any kind of a man you'd have some respect for the people around you and do the decent thing!
I suppose that EVERYONE who goes into your pub smokes? Well in that case why not lock yourselves in there and sit and stink and grow your cancers but don't do it where other people are around who just want to have a pint without smelling like an ashtray.
As I have said in a previous post, this law has ony come into place because smokers have always had the choice to not smoke around other people but have chosen to waive that right. I used to be a smoker (I know, there's nothing worse than an ex-smoker) so I know what I'm talking about. I also have come out the other end and have been 'clean' for several years and I used to smoke everywhere and anywhere without any regard for children, adults or anyone else around me - I can't believe how selfish I used to be because I just didn't care about them!
So go and smoke in your pub, in a doorway or anywhere else where it is now illegal to do so and I hope you are caught and fined over and over and over and over again.
Mind my own business indeed!
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Yes, mind your own business.
Just because you have acted, and continue to act in a selfish, insensitive way it doesn't mean that the rest of us do. Don't bracket others with your own self-centered irresponsibility. I am talking to you, not to everyone. You however wish to bracket everyone into one convenient slot so you can make ridiculous comments about people whose views you obviously don't care about.
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I don't see why we couldn't have had smoking and non-smoking rooms - providing smokers collect their drinks from the non-smoking area so that bar staff are not imperilled.
As one who has always been extremely conscientious about where and when I smoke, I do feel rather hard done by.
With regard to obeying the law.....
Over the course of the last decade, each year has seen an average of 2,685 new laws - the equivalent of almost seven and a half a day or one every three-and-a-quarter hours - said legal information providers Sweet & Maxwell.
...perhaps we have rather too many?
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Um, doesn't your response look like what I was saying to you? (OMOTW)
OK, I was going to retaliate with a comment to put you down but I'm rising above it.
This whole topic is one which is bound to cause vastly divided opinions, as it obviously has ( ;)) so perhaps we should just leave it at that otherwise we'll go round in circles!
People like me will continue to lament smoking in public places and smokers will continue to lament the loss of these places. It's not as if the government can stop you from smoking in non-enclosed public places, or indeed places which are not public.
Rant Off!
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The following lawbreakers need sorting out:
Mahatna Ghandi
Emily Pankhurst
Nelson Mandela
Michael Martin
Oscar Wild
Poll Tax rioters
Friends of the Earth
Greenpeace
The two grads who spread stories that MacDonalds was awful
That 75 year old pensioner who refused to pay the Council tax as her stret was full of junkies
They should have all been shot for breaking laws!
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SS (Lovely acroynym) you don't care about:
My local
The people who go in there
Children
Adults
Everybody around you
Quotes
"You want us to grow our own cancers"
"There is nothiong worse than an ex-smoker (as you are one)
"You can't beleive how selfish........."
You think that you are going to rise above "it"? I think that a little soul searching is required.
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Lots of petty laws like this one get broken all the time - it maybe breaking the law to smoke in the pub, but so is drinking in the pub when your 17, for a landlord to serve someone who is drunk, to serve after hours... hopefully this law will be flouted just as much...
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I predict a riot. I shall be fighting in the non smoking corner, seconds out. ;D
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Oldman, are you seriously comparing having a f*g down the local to the actions of Gandhi, Mandela and Greenpeace? :o >:( >:( >:(
And I thought ex-smokers were self-righteous.
I know, I know - mind my own business, right? :-X
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the non smoking corner,
Now why didn't the govenment think of that.
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With regard to obeying the law.....
Over the course of the last decade, each year has seen an average of 2,685 new laws - the equivalent of almost seven and a half a day or one every three-and-a-quarter hours - said legal information providers Sweet & Maxwell.
...perhaps we have rather too many?
With so many more things having been criminalised, it's a wonder the police have time for catching burglars, vandals, muggers .....
oh, wait .... ::)
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Oldman, are you seriously comparing having a f*g down the local to the actions of Gandhi, Mandela and Greenpeace? :o >:( >:( >:(
And I thought ex-smokers were self-righteous.
I know, I know - mind my own business, right? :-X
I dont think he is - but going on some of the comments of the non-smoking lot - you'd think smoking in a pub was as bad as being a murderer...
wait for it...
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I dont think he is - but going on some of the comments of the non-smoking lot - you'd think smoking in a pub was as bad as being a murderer...
wait for it...
LOL! No! We don't!
I don't think you quite have understood what everyone on the 'non-smoking' side is saying!
We don't want to stop you from smoking - that's your own choice to do so, but it's not an activity that you can do without affecting someone else.
If it were possible for you to smoke without actually having the smoke in the air then I'm sure this would never have come about - after all, we all know that the carbon monoxide from car exhausts can kill you and is causing the ozone to thin out, but because we aren't in smog continuously people aren't campaigning to have anything done about it... but that's a topic for another thread! ::)
That's all.
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But as i said about 5 pages ago - if everyone in the pub wants to smoke or does'nt mind people smoking, then why cant we? again as has been said before - if you dont like screaming kids you dont go to a Hungry Horse, if you dont like naked ladies dancing in your face - then you dont go to Spearmint rhino's...
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But as i said about 5 pages ago - if everyone in the pub wants to smoke or does'nt mind people smoking, then why cant we? again as has been said before - if you dont like screaming kids you dont go to a Hungry Horse, if you dont like naked ladies dancing in your face - then you dont go to Spearmint rhino's...
Now no-one said we don't want naked ladies :o
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SnooziSuzi ditto-ditto-ditto to all you said!
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but going on some of the comments of the non-smoking lot - you'd think smoking in a pub was as bad as being a murderer...
wait for it...
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If ya take ya nicotine goggles off and Read the warning on the packet that should give you clue as to why. :P ::)
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I dont think he is - but going on some of the comments of the non-smoking lot - you'd think smoking in a pub was as bad as being a murderer...
wait for it...
If ya take ya nicotine goggles off and Read the warning on the packet that should give you clue as to why. :P ::)
My cigarette packet has 2 health warnings on it one says "Use only berore, during & after sex" the other says "f**k off. Buy Your own" (without the aterisks).
Neither indicates that smoking makes me as bad as a murderer .
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Where was the referendum on this smoking ban?..
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Part of living in a democratic country seems to mean you get no say in anything. If there had been a referendum then perhaps the smoking ban would not of come into effect.
There are a few enclosed places which are exempt from the ban such as The Houses of Parliament, prison cells, hospices, care homes and mental health units in which patients are held in secure conditions for more than six months. If you don't happen to be in one of those places & you want to smoke it's tough you have to put up with the ban you didn't & wouldn't of voted for or risk being fined.
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Inhale....exhale...inhale...exhale...and calm.... ;D
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alls I want to know is...how come Baccyman manged to get the F word in his post? He da' man !
Emmy you know they can't do that without a coughing fit.
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No, I am not comparing having a smoke to the actions of a few illustrious people. My point is that SS was banging on a breaking a law, not smiking; breaking a law. My point was that just because a law is there, it doesn't mean it's right.
The population of Stoke-on-Trent can continue to smoke in public places because the council cocked-up. I am staggered that every other council managed to get it right. Has anyone ever heard of a council getting something right?
Via Stoke!
Who say's we can't have naked ladies? What is a spearmint rhino, a knocking shop?
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Lap dance club Old Man! ;)
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Oh I see. Can't see the point in paying for something that you get for free at home. My Doris can't lap dance but her method of locomotion is a glory to behold!
Afterwards I never have a f*g, just an over-inflated sense of acheivement!
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For you eyes only. ;) ;D ;D ;D
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"Use only berore, during & after sex"
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The best reason yet to ban smoking in public. :o
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It would be interesting to have a poll on this subject to see truely how divided the lines are on this subject... anyone care to start one?
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Going on most of the regulars in my local - a poll on this site wont be a true representation of the general feelings about this...
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I agree with Keef. A poll on this site would be non-representative sample as we are discussing smoking in pubs.
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Why's that then ???
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This is'nt meant to be rude, but going on the many of the comments in this and other posts by users on this site, i dont think a poll would be representative of professional pub go'ers ;D
Incedentally, this is the first Thursday night i hav'nt been to the pub for ages - its been dead all week..so i could'nt be ar*sed.
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What a load BS >:(believe it or not but none smokers are as you put it "pub go'ers". And makes not a jot of difference if you go out every night or one night a week. It would be nice to hear from a publican if there is one out there, and get there opinion on the subject. :)
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Whilst I am not a publican I can tell you what has changed at my local since the ban came into effect on the 2nd April.
I live in a rural area my local is 400 yards up the road the next pubs would be 5 miles in one direction or 12 miles in the other. Before the ban the pub was always full of people both for the beer & the food it is one of very few pubs in the area to have a 24 hour license & was typically open 22 hours a day people travelled from as far as Machynlleth 12 miles away, Newtown 18 miles away & Aberystwyth 30 miles away to get here despite the fact that all of those towns have plenty of pubs to choose from. The pub operates a taxi/minibus service exclusively for their customers to get there & back. When the ban first came in the number of customers halved overnight people stopped coming from the surrounding towns & villages except at weekends. By mid May it was down to just people from the village. By June staff had to be laid off & the opening hours were reduced to 12:00-14:00 + 19:00-00:00. Now the landlady is talking about reducing the opening hours even more as she only gets 6-10 people in on a good night the rest of the staff will have to be laid off the taxi license will not be renewed unless things change & she has decided she can afford to give it a year for people to adjust but if things haven't picked up by next April she will sell up.
She is a smoker herself & doesn't like the fact she has to go outside everytime she wants a cigar because she is not allowed to smoke in her own home as it counts as business premises. I could tell you what she thinks of the ban but most of what she says would be filtered out & I expect you can work it out for yourself.
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Baccy Man - I find it so hard to believe that so many people have stopped going to this pub just because there is a smoking ban. Just goes to show how addictive it is. It is obviously life changing in more ways than one. That's sad.
Keef - your liver should improve if not your lungs....LOL!!!
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The landlord and landlady of my local allowed us to continue to smoke until a letter from the council saying that there have been complaints from people (who don't hapopen to go in the pub, and all newcomers.) S and C have watched takings dwindle; Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Sundays, are now empty. The girl who worked there is laid off.
The pub was sold yesterday to Enterprise.
The End.
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It is unfortunate that as a result of the ban that takings are suffering - I heard on our local radio station this morning that takings are down 6.2% but I don't rekon this will last long.
Even when I smoked I only craved a ciggy in places that I was allowed to smoke. I was a nanny at the time and dispite being on 15 a day I didn't want one at any time that I was in the families house. People will get used to it.
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You have no idea about the trade in my local, nor about the people in it - so mind your own business.
MIND MY OWN BUSINESS!!!!?? >:(
Hang on a minute, you have openly and smugly told everyone that you intend to break a law which has only been implimented to protect vulnerable people from ignorant, irresponsible individuals like you and you tell me to mind my own business!!
You are acting like a spoilt kid who'se been told he can't have something so you're going to stamp your feet and beligerantly defy the law until you get what you want. Good luck with that! ::)
I don't care what your local is like, or the people that go there; I'm sure that many of the people who frequent the pubs in my village would have the same opinion as you do about the ban, but the point is that by smoking in an enclosed public area you are breaking the law. If you were any kind of a man you'd have some respect for the people around you and do the decent thing!
I suppose that EVERYONE who goes into your pub smokes? Well in that case why not lock yourselves in there and sit and stink and grow your cancers but don't do it where other people are around who just want to have a pint without smelling like an ashtray.
As I have said in a previous post, this law has ony come into place because smokers have always had the choice to not smoke around other people but have chosen to waive that right. I used to be a smoker (I know, there's nothing worse than an ex-smoker) so I know what I'm talking about. I also have come out the other end and have been 'clean' for several years and I used to smoke everywhere and anywhere without any regard for children, adults or anyone else around me - I can't believe how selfish I used to be because I just didn't care about them!
So go and smoke in your pub, in a doorway or anywhere else where it is now illegal to do so and I hope you are caught and fined over and over and over and over again.
Mind my own business indeed!
Read what you said previously, the paragraph beginning "As I have said in a previous post......"
You don't get it do you? The damage is already done, the old style pubs have lost out to the Slug and Fat Bast***D. Old style drinkers like me have stopped bothering.
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What a load BS >:(believe it or not but none smokers are as you put it "pub go'ers". And makes not a jot of difference if you go out every night or one night a week. It would be nice to hear from a publican if there is one out there, and get there opinion on the subject. :)
I quite agree plenty of non-smokers are pub go-ers - read my post, thats not what i said..
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This is'nt meant to be rude, but going on the many of the comments in this and other posts by users on this site, i dont think a poll would be representative of professional pub go'ers ;D
Incedentally, this is the first Thursday night i hav'nt been to the pub for ages - its been dead all week..so i could'nt be ar*sed.
Explain it to me then. ???
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OK peeps. I am ex publican so here is my opinion. I would have accepted the smoking ban and looked forward to a better food trade which brings in about a squillion times more profit than the beer. Sorry, but that's the cold truth business wise.
I would have spoken to the brewery about a smoking area, covered, maybe patio heaters to try and accomodate my smoking customers as much as possible.
The problem is that not all the pubs I've run have been in areas where a really good food trade is always possible. It took me a year once to build up a steady lunch trade and I had to literally pay people to come in at first.
Some pubs are in very poor or rural areas - these pubs will probably carry on as they always have once the fuss has died down, they have no choice really, their customer base is very limited and unless their whole area regenerates won't change.
I do sympathise with landlords at the moment - it's bad enough when the tax goes up on beer - the constant moaning from the customers over a penny on a pint. This must be hell!
Now all of you stop fighting or I'm coming over there to sort you out!
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*sigh* OldMan, I think it's you who doesn't get it!
Yes, I used to smoke
Yes, when I was a smoker I openly smoked where I felt I wanted to in public places
Yes, I was selfish
However, I did not smoke in places where it was not permissable to do so, and it was (and still is) not permissable to smoke in the home of someone who didn't allow it.
It may surprise you that I'm not a complete moron and I do have a sense of decency and I knew that if an employer / friend / family member didn't allow smoking in their premises that I wouldn't do it, and this will be something that I'm sure you abide by too.
Clearly you don't like me, you don't like what I'm saying and I can respect that. If everyone had the same opinion about everything it would be a pretty boring place and this thread wouldn't have gone on for as long as it has.
The fact is that smoking is being seen even more as socially unacceptable and the government have decided to impliment this law without consulting people. I didn't vote for this government I voted for another party so you can't even blame me for this government being in power.
I DO think it is unfortunate that landlords are losing out, but this won't be forever. Things will pick up and when they do people will look back on this whole thing and say that it wasn't so bad after all.
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This is'nt meant to be rude, but going on the many of the comments in this and other posts by users on this site, i dont think a poll would be representative of professional pub go'ers ;D
Incedentally, this is the first Thursday night i hav'nt been to the pub for ages - its been dead all week..so i could'nt be ar*sed.
Explain it to me then. ???
ok then ::) take a deep breath - nice and slowly
A poll on an allotment forum is not the same as a poll of people who frequent pubs up and down the country..
I'm not saying that allotmenteers never go to the pub - but the opinions of allotmenteers in general maybe one-sided as we're all fit and healthy outdoors'y types..are'nt we?
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Hehehe! I bet you wish you had never started this one Keef! ;D
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I bet you wish you had never started this one Keef!
I think you'd be wrong there! ;D
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Right you lot, I said stop fighting or I'd be sortin' ya. Any more and you're barred. ;D
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I love when women get all feisty!
Isn't she terrifying!
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I am 5 foot of scary Old man. ;D
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tee hee @ Emmy ;D ;D
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Quaking in me wellies :o
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Did anyone wonder why most professional pub goers smoke, because the rest of us get fed up with the smoke and stop at home :o Things might start to even up a bit now!
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Smokers stay at home, off license & supermarket alcohol sales go up, pub profits go down, pubs close, non smokers stay at home.
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Tescos win again.
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Tescos win again.
We'll you've always got your sloe gin ? ah - Tescos victory gin :(
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This is'nt meant to be rude, but going on the many of the comments in this and other posts by users on this site, i dont think a poll would be representative of professional pub go'ers ;D
Incedentally, this is the first Thursday night i hav'nt been to the pub for ages - its been dead all week..so i could'nt be ar*sed.
Explain it to me then. ???
ok then ::) take a deep breath - nice and slowly
A poll on an allotment forum is not the same as a poll of people who frequent pubs up and down the country..
I'm not saying that allotmenteers never go to the pub - but the opinions of allotmenteers in general maybe one-sided as we're all fit and healthy outdoors'y types..are'nt we?
But Keef ma duck,thats like saying just because i don't very often go swimming and don't look like i go swimming very often , :-[ i should not be asked my opinion as to weather people should be allowed to p*ss in my local pool or not. ;)
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Tescos win again.
Not around here the concil won't give them planning permission as there are too many objections the same council won't let starbucks in as it would lower the tone of the area so they should be stubborn enough to keep Tesco out for a while yet.
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But Keef ma duck,thats like saying just because i don't very often go swimming and don't look like i go swimming very often , :-[ i should not be asked my opinion as to weather people should be allowed to p*ss in my local pool or not. ;)
Hahah!! I so wish I had thought of that one!
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This is'nt meant to be rude, but going on the many of the comments in this and other posts by users on this site, i dont think a poll would be representative of professional pub go'ers ;D
Incedentally, this is the first Thursday night i hav'nt been to the pub for ages - its been dead all week..so i could'nt be ar*sed.
Explain it to me then. ???
ok then ::) take a deep breath - nice and slowly
A poll on an allotment forum is not the same as a poll of people who frequent pubs up and down the country..
I'm not saying that allotmenteers never go to the pub - but the opinions of allotmenteers in general maybe one-sided as we're all fit and healthy outdoors'y types..are'nt we?
But Keef ma duck,thats like saying just because i don't very often go swimming and don't look like i go swimming very often , :-[ i should not be asked my opinion as to weather people should be allowed to p*ss in my local pool or not. ;)
;D You should'nt get so pissed, then you'd make it. Does the landlord mind ?
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Sorry, just thought of a few other things from licensee point of view. No smoking means no ashtrays to sweep and wash which would increase staff productivity and allow everyone to go home a bit earlier! Also when I ran pubs I didn't allow staff to smoke on their way round the pub or give smoking breaks (evil) when staff stand at the end of the bar fagging it. This is a huge problem for landlords, especially when the staff have been there longer than you have and do pretty much what they want and is also disgusting as they then usually go on to serve customers without washing their hands!! So the ban sorts that out too. I would think most landlords are quite happy with it. I'll make some calls and let you know! I can even make it cross regional from here (Bournemouth) to Brum!!
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Why should non-smokers (like a friend of my wife's) end up dying of other people's lung cancer because they work in places where they insist on smoking? And why, for that matter, should non-smokers end up effectively pushed out of otherwise decent places by other people's smoke? I totally agree that loud music etc. can be badly off-putting, but so is smoke. Music and mobiles don't kill anyone.
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I have phoned 6 licensees including my mum. Only one does not support the ban and he is a licensee operating in a very deprived area where there is no other trade apart from the locals.
The brewery will not pay for a covered smoking area as his pub does not make enough profit. In fact he barely breaks even and in view of the ban and the lack of potential growth for the pub the brewery are considering selling it to developers.
The other 5 (including my mum who is no longer a licensee) support it for many reasons and agree that it widens their customer base and makes for a much nicer atmosphere. None are fazed by grumbling customers as they put up with it every budget!!
Thought you'd like to know!! :)
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The brewery will not pay for a covered smoking area as his pub does not make enough profit. In fact he barely breaks even and in view of the ban and the lack of potential growth for the pub the brewery are considering selling it to developers.
I bet its a greene king pub..
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;D ;D ;D ;D@ Keefy Sherlock.
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;D ;D ;D ;D@ Keefy Sherlock.
They are awful, I bet its tied pub too, he'll be forced to buy all his beer and spirits and mixers from Greene King, at twice the price a free house can buy stock from a beer sellar. The rent on top of that will be ridiculous.
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It's a hard life keefy and I don't miss it one bit. ;D