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Title: Newspaper in bean trenches
Post by: Slug_killer on February 13, 2007, 13:02:14
I'm sure this question must come up as regularly as couch, but I couldn't find it in a search.

I want to make a bean trench and add newpaper to help water retention, but is the ink in newpapers safe, or am I adding unknown chemicals to the soil ?
Title: Re: Newspaper in bean trenches
Post by: SMP1704 on February 13, 2007, 13:09:32
I think the general view is black and white is the best choice.  I did read somewhere that increasingly colour inks are vegetable based and so should be OK.  Generally avoid the FT because the pink ink is a bit nasty.  I avoid using glossy magazines - they still go in the recycle bin.

Hope that helps
Title: Re: Newspaper in bean trenches
Post by: manicscousers on February 13, 2007, 14:47:55
we put newspapers and chopped up envelopes and letter heads in, they can't be recycled so either go in the trench or in the compost  ;D
Title: Re: Newspaper in bean trenches
Post by: cornykev on February 13, 2007, 17:01:35
I put newspaper, cardboard, junk mail and veg peelings in the trench then topped with manure then filled in the soil and mounded up.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Newspaper in bean trenches
Post by: Mrs Ava on February 13, 2007, 17:41:52
If it's paper, then it is shredded in this house at the moment,  My bean trench was filled up with shredded paper of all shapes and sizes.  Newspaper I use to wrap veggie peelings up in and it all goes onto the compost heap.
Title: Re: Newspaper in bean trenches
Post by: thegroatgardener on February 17, 2007, 21:58:45
If you want a well developed crop use shredded Times, Observer or Guardian.

If you use the Sun or Mirror you'll get a retarded crop

If you use the FT, remember your crop can fall  as well as rise.
Title: Re: Newspaper in bean trenches
Post by: cambourne7 on February 17, 2007, 23:02:40
very clever
Title: Re: Newspaper in bean trenches
Post by: quizzical1 on February 17, 2007, 23:04:52
So presumably shredded BILLS etc. can also be buried in Bean trenches?

And can the same thing be put on the compost heap if there's too much for the beans?
Title: Re: Newspaper in bean trenches
Post by: cambourne7 on February 17, 2007, 23:19:38
yes you can use shreaded paper in a compost as a brown (dry) layer.

Title: Re: Newspaper in bean trenches
Post by: Slug_killer on February 19, 2007, 15:04:25
So, is the general verdict that the inks used these days are ok for the veggie plot?
Title: Re: Newspaper in bean trenches
Post by: cambourne7 on February 19, 2007, 15:13:37
i dont know, certianly never heard anything about the ink issue untill i looked here
Title: Re: Newspaper in bean trenches
Post by: cornykev on February 19, 2007, 15:47:38
Be careful with the shredded bills quiz make sure theres no over drafts in there or they might blow your beans over. ;D ,and if I shred a porno mag will it benefit a HARDy plant Forking Good
Title: Re: Newspaper in bean trenches
Post by: manicscousers on February 19, 2007, 15:57:15
I'm sure someone said the inks are all veggie based now, can't remember where  ;D
Title: Re: Newspaper in bean trenches
Post by: RobinOfTheHood on February 19, 2007, 17:19:07
Hope so, I'm currently covering the lottie with tons (almost) of shredded office paper.

I intend to dig it in shortly and use it as mulch in the summer....hopefully it will lighten the soil a little.
Title: Re: Newspaper in bean trenches
Post by: Wasp_Box on February 19, 2007, 17:39:00
What is this "bean trench" of which you speak? And why would you bother? I've grown beans without a trench for years and always had good crops.....

Am I missing something? Should I be encouraging my beans to enjoy The Independent?
Title: Re: Newspaper in bean trenches
Post by: bennettsleg on February 19, 2007, 19:38:20
Having got a shredder recently, all available bits of paper (bills, envelopes, ransom demands etc) get fed through it and it's amazing how far a little goes.  I'll be packing the bottom of my bean trench with the stuff too, as well as some fertiliser and (if I get round to picking some up from the hairdresser) some hair.  Good source of nirogen apparently, if a little creepy.  I hear that fleece (from sheep, not the modern fabric) is good as it absorbs alot of water as well as being a good nitrogen source.


Title: Re: Newspaper in bean trenches
Post by: cambourne7 on February 19, 2007, 19:45:45
darn if you had mentioned hair yesterday i could have saved the stuff i cut off hubbies head which are now in the dyson!

Title: Re: Newspaper in bean trenches
Post by: quizzical1 on February 19, 2007, 19:49:22
Hi C7,
so why not empty entire contents of said Dyson into your bean trench? I'm sure household dust will rot down just as well as everything else that has been suggested.
Title: Re: Newspaper in bean trenches
Post by: Blue Bird on February 19, 2007, 19:56:36
Just jammed the shredder - 2nd one in 6 months anyone know were a cheap replacement can be found????? ???

last one cost 11.99

Title: Re: Newspaper in bean trenches
Post by: quizzical1 on February 19, 2007, 23:13:58
Re cheap shredder......look here

http://www.wilkoplus.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&categoryId=17002&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=17001&top_category=17001 (http://www.wilkoplus.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&categoryId=17002&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=17001&top_category=17001)
Title: Re: Newspaper in bean trenches
Post by: cornykev on February 20, 2007, 15:12:58
I've never emptied hoover contents but I know overs do.   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Newspaper in bean trenches
Post by: Blue Bird on February 20, 2007, 19:03:14
Thanks Q1  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Newspaper in bean trenches
Post by: cambourne7 on February 20, 2007, 19:05:16
Hi C7,
so why not empty entire contents of said Dyson into your bean trench? I'm sure household dust will rot down just as well as everything else that has been suggested.

Its now in green wheeie bin...
Title: Re: Newspaper in bean trenches
Post by: Lady of the Land on February 20, 2007, 19:07:41
With regards to the newspaper in the bean trench- Do people scrunch it up or leave it at bottom of trench as thick wedge. I put some in my bean trench today and was not sure what to do.
Title: Re: Newspaper in bean trenches
Post by: Wasp_Box on February 21, 2007, 20:17:26
  I hear that fleece (from sheep, not the modern fabric) is good as it absorbs alot of water as well as being a good nitrogen source.

Beans fix their own nitrogen from the air. It's a wonderful example of symbiosis.

I still don't understand the rationale for digging a trench. Is it to create a moisture holding area?
Title: Re: Newspaper in bean trenches
Post by: Emagggie on February 23, 2007, 09:10:25
Yes. Worked well for me last year, and this years will be better with a better variety of stuff. ( all compostables, paper, horse muck etc.) Aiming not to water this year if at all possible.
Title: Re: Newspaper in bean trenches
Post by: OliveOil on February 23, 2007, 09:14:38
If i emptied my hoover bags I'd get loads of socks!
Title: Re: Newspaper in bean trenches
Post by: STHLMgreen on February 23, 2007, 12:56:39
With regards to the newspaper in the bean trench- Do people scrunch it up or leave it at bottom of trench as thick wedge. I put some in my bean trench today and was not sure what to do.

I was wondering this too.
Title: Re: Newspaper in bean trenches
Post by: Emagggie on February 23, 2007, 13:55:53
Last year I just ripped it in chunks but maybe if it was left whole it would hold moisture even better.
Title: Re: Newspaper in bean trenches
Post by: Barnowl on February 23, 2007, 14:19:40
Pretty sure that Carol Klein put shredded paper on top of cardboard,(in the first episode of that show that annoyed most of us so much we had to watch the rest so we could shout at the screen except for the quite nice Scandinavian girl and an excellent bit with Supersprout in the last episode that should have been longer (runs out of breath).....
Title: Re: Newspaper in bean trenches
Post by: Barnowl on February 23, 2007, 14:22:54
Pretty sure that Carol Klein put shredded paper on top of cardboard (in the first episode of that show that annoyed most of us so much we had to watch the rest so we could shout at the screen except for the quite nice Scandinavian girl and an excellent bit with Supersprout in the last episode that should have been longer (runs out of breath).....
Title: Re: Newspaper in bean trenches
Post by: cornykev on February 23, 2007, 16:03:18
My runners are across the front of the allotment, up against the main tarmac path running through the site and the bean trench rapidly dries out, so I have put some newspaper, cardboard and manure in to try and get a bit of water retention.   ;D ;D ;D
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