Allotments 4 All
Produce => Edible Plants => Topic started by: Emagggie on March 30, 2006, 19:25:33
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Looking for inspiration on the construction of runner bean supports on the allotment. I have a feeling that the usual canes wont be strong enough, apart from the fact I can't do anything in a straight line, though I don't suppose it really matters.
I did see a program about allotments a few weeks ago, a chap had a wonderful arrangement involving a main support which had loops along the top bar into which he slotted his canes. Can't seem to find out any more on that front, so any other suggestions most welcome.
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Hey emaggie, I have 8 ft stout hazel poles this year through http://www.allotmentforestry.com/direct.htm. Not what you describe, but they do look lovely - and very strong :)
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This year I'm using the frame from a garden swing, keep an eye open, and check the skips
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Thanks for that SS. Do you cross them cane style or do something else with them?
p.s. What's a YaBB God ? Young and Breathtakingly Beautiful or maybe Yellow and Bright Blue, tell me do ..............
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I'm blushing!!
Supports? These are ours -
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means over 500 posts - truely addicted - no hope!
Great website SS - printing out contact details for Bedfordhsire as we speak. Need pea supports etc...
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A couple of years ago i used elderflower branches that my mum cut down from her garden, i did let them dry off over the winter though, dont know whether fresh ones would root or not, anyway they looked lovely and rugged!!!! Last year i used garden trellis sectioned the veggie patch off from the rest of the garden, soaked the seeds and dug a trench underneath and they looked beautiful in with flowers on and grew like mad.
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I long to do a neat line of crossed poles a la tim, but will be doing wigwams for separate bean and climbing squash varieties (eight@five poles each) this year, tying the tops with string.
Young and Breathtakingly Beautiful
Oh I wish I wish ;D ;D
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I grew runners for 1st time last year. on a wigwam of 6' bamboo canes.
At the picking stage, it was quite difficult to 'find' all the beans and I did let
them grow too long, hence some were stringy (PAH! not to be recommended!)
Don't think I'll bother with them this year, as I have about three types of french
beans to grow for the first time..
Debs
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I always use wigwams, as I've never got the hang of making lines which stay up all season. Also wigwams take up less space and allow me to keep each variety separate (5 plants per wigwam plus a sweet pea to encourage bees). Works for me, anyway.
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Tip from the Victorian Kitchen Garden - space five wigwam poles as if there were six of them so you can creep INSIDE the wigwam to find all those beans! ::)
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What a great link SS though it looks as if I will have to cross the border if I'm to get those poles! And good tip on the wigwams.
Seems like string is not the only thing you are good at. ;D
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We used wigwams last year as we didn't want too many runner beans (although we still ended up with far too many). This year because Ive converted all the ground into raised beds I have built arches as recommended in the wiki.
http://www.allotments4all.co.uk/joomla/component/option,com_mambowiki/Itemid,37/
These span the raised beds so I only use a small amount of ground to grow the beans in. In theory I should be able to walk through these and pick the dangling beans off from underneath. They look great and with horizontal supports are pretty solid.
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I was wondering about something like that - saw something simillar at one garden we went to visit last year (can't remember which one)... They had arches (just about 4 canes at a time) spaced along the bed growing beans and sweet peas, and they were big enough to walk under for picking. Certainly going to give it a go this year too.
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I have built arches as recommended in the wiki.
These span the raised beds so I only use a small amount of ground to grow the beans in. In theory I should be able to walk through these and pick the dangling beans off from underneath.
Wow glow, that conjures up lovely picture of supping mint julep under the bean arbour 8). If you have a pic, please post it. Do your arches span the raised beds, or the paths? ::)
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the ones I saw spanned the paths, leaving more room in the beds to grow other things...
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They look a bit sad without the beans on but I will try and take a pic this weekend. I have to find an angle that doesnt show the rest of my lottie looking like a building site!
I have set them to span the paths so I can walk underneath. A definate space saver as I reckon I am only using a small % of the bed for the beans.
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I tend to go the traditional root with something similar to Tim's structure.
But I have heard people recommend the an inverted wigwam, on that is wider at the top than the bottom. This does mean using a central pole that is fairly strong and runding string from that out to the tops of the canes to support the weight of the beans.
The advantage is that the beans hang below the canes and are very easy to spot and pick.
I may give it ago if I have time!
Jerry
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I managed to get hold of some old scaffolding poles last year. A quick figure of 8 with twine held the tops of the canes around the cross pole. As they weren't tied directly to the pole they were easy to take down at year end. Lance
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Jerry
I have grown beans in a similar way cos Im not very tall. Instead of the inverted wigwam however I use two rows of canes, instead of tying just short of the top, I tie them crosswed over a horizontal just over half way up. That way I am able to pick the beans which hang down with out having to strech too much. Also It is just high enough on the inside for my little girl to collect beans from the inside of the 'tent'. ;D
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This is really great, all these fab ideas, and a superb piccie from Tim.If I tried to do that, they would all fall down in the first gust of wind !!
Thanks one and all, keep 'em coming. :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
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Well thank you for starting a brilliant thread emagggie, I'm goggling at the inverted wigwam and may try the Bean Arbour idea, so cooool :D
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I am growing mine on canes over a path like stated earlier, joined together above the path with lengths of garden hose and reinforced with horizontal supports. Runner beans one side, climbing French the other ;)
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Mine is a permenant structure put in a few years ago by my 89 year old (sadly now deceased) farmer mentor! As you can see it leans, that is, he always said, so your beans grow straight and hang so you can see them to pick! Mind you everyone else on site thinks it is falling down, and one kind chap offered to straighten it back up for me!!! ;D Made from Chestnut stakes, and the strings I wove using string from hay bales.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v176/bermujan/Bean_poles.jpg)
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LOL@DP, nice to have helpful lottie neighbours ;) your heirloom bean support looks wonderful. So you grow runners in the same place year after year with no trouble?
Just remembered, a lovely A4a-er sent Morning Glory Split Personality seeds to grow up poles with climbing beans for added Beauty :-*. Am very tempted to do an arbour this year.
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Yes SS, same spot, though am thinking this year to grow my borlotti here and move the runners elsewhere, this row produces far too many for us!
Each year (didn't this year though :-\) it has had all my kitchen compost waste added to it via the trench type method, works for me!
I sometimes grow a few sweet peas amongst mine, look pretty and hopefully attract the pollinators! ;)
Split personality Morning Glory huh? On minute it thinks it is a flower, the next a veg? ;D
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Mine is a permenant structure put in a few years ago by my 89 year old (sadly now deceased) farmer mentor! As you can see it leans, that is, he always said, so your beans grow straight and hang so you can see them to pick! Mind you everyone else on site thinks it is falling down, and one kind chap offered to straighten it back up for me!!! ;D Made from Chestnut stakes, and the strings I wove using string from hay bales.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v176/bermujan/Bean_poles.jpg)
Is that for real DP? ??? because some of the silliest things are not so silly and to my mind your mentor is a genius God bless him, 8) I am now thinking on his lines a way to erect a similar structure. ;)
Where's that drawing board.
Might even plant a row of beetroot or cos down the middle. ;D
(http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/5351/beanpole2hg.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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I went for a halfway-house approach - two monster stakes at either end of my bean bed, with stout wire between them. Crossed canes then tied in to the top of the wire rather than to another cane put across them. Because of the stakes and wire, when it's windy, it doesn't all topple and snap (which happened the year before last - and I said never again!)
(http://www.moonbells.com/allotment/2005/June_05/040605_4.jpg)
Piccy taken in very early June after the beans had just gone out, so you can see the structure.
(http://www.moonbells.com//allotment/2005/July_05/300705_5.jpg)
and 2 months later, end July
Still eating the beans I froze... got loads!
moonbells
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I've grown them up sweetcorn -not just because I'm tight. I also used acouple of metal fence posts with chickenwire between them.
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I saw this idea somewhere, using lengths of plastic drainpipe so had a go at making them last year, if you can fathom it out.
They creak like a galleon in the wind, but they're easy to erect and dismantle. And you need diagonals to keep them stable, as with any other frame.
(http://static.flickr.com/34/122841942_e621ff8c75_o.jpg)
Geoff.
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is that for real DP? ??? because some of the silliest things are not so silly and to my mind your mentor is a genius God bless him, 8) I am now thinking on his lines a way to erect a similar structure. ;)
Well Roy he had been/bean growing them this way with prize winning sucess for over 60 years! ;D Apparently the supports should have been/bean taller and it should have leaned more! ;D ;D Makes sense to my small brain! 8)