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Allotment Stuff => The Basics => Topic started by: Vez1 on September 11, 2005, 21:11:21
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This may seem like a strange one buthere goes. ome of the men at my allotments use Jeyes Fluid to disinfect the ground, now I am all for disenfecting where you are going to grow new plants etc but surely there is a better way than this. Do any of you know anyone who does this?
I think that this is far too extreme in the chemical dpartment, please tell me if I am wrong.
If anyone knows of a better, more organic way of doing this please let me know.
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Jeyes as been used to sterilise soil since God was a boy!
Armillatox is the in thing now.
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Someone on the allotment uses Jeyes fluid :o (diluted... ) on his brassicas... 'The pigeons won't touch it' he says. They don't.
D
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Wow, and what do they taste like afterwards?
Do they send you 'clean round the bend?'
:-[ Sorry couldn't resit that :-[
But seriosly do the plants not absorb any of it?
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I'd be worried about damage to the soil fauna.
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It's not pleasant at all, but if you have a chemical toilet on the plot it's good for that, or it's good for sterilising compost.
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I do love the smell, takes me back to my childhood!
Not surprised the Pigeons haven't touched his brassicas, I wouldn't either! :o
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Also illegal to use it I believe.........
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i use jeys fluid 1 part to 10 about 1 week before i plant my brassicas as it helps keep clubroot at bay. a lot of our plotters use this method and it seems to work. just make your hole, fill it with mixture and when it has soaked in put a handfull of lime in, leave it a week and plant brassica's
weedgrower
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Thanks all of you for the help ;D. I thinkI will skip the jeyes fluid and try a kinder method.
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It's still recommended for white rot & honey fungus.
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I had a small amount of Jeyes in the corner of the shed...I brought it home and it has been diluted and put into small plastic containers.
Holes have been made in the sides of the containers at the top about an inch below the lid. The pots have then been 'planted' in the front garden to a depth of two inches (the tops above soil level)
Well...at the moment its working No cats messing up the front garden..if it continues ...HOORAY for Jeyes.
Derek
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I have used Jeyes fluid to clean up sections of my lotty in order to be able to grow onions.. For a long time, every time I planted onions they would start well any then a grey powdery surface would cover the whole lot (generally within a week or two). So I started watering the area I was to use for onions with a dilution of Jeyes fluid (once in autumn and then again in early spring). True, the plot did smell like a newly cleaned men's urinal, and it probably slaughtered every living thing in the ground - buts that is what I wanted to achieve. I can now grow onions successfully and the just don't get any of those soil born diseases.
I've never tried Armillatox, but from what I've heard from others it ain't nearly as potent as Jeyes fluid. So you end up having to use a lot more.
Having just read what I've written it looks like I'm a chemical warrior - but honest guv I'm not ... since seeing off the spores with Jeyes fluid I am almost entirely organic (use a bit of growmore). But I only got to be able to grow onions (without having to wait for years for the spores to go away on their own!) by taking this drastic action.
-- Alan
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One thing jeyes fluid is excellent for is cleaning the greenhouse at the end of the season.
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You can get organic growmore.
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It is now illegal to use it for any other reason than that shown on the can. Not advisable therefore to use on edible crops, on soil, etc.
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That reminded me of COSHH (control of substances hazardous to health?) regulations - what are you supposed to do if you spill water????
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That reminded me of COSHH (control of substances hazardous to health?) regulations - what are you supposed to do if you spill water????
pardon? ??? since when was water hazardous to health??? :)
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When you are 30m down with no way or breathing air! - sorry ;D
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Reminds me of a policy they brought in at work when the COSSH regulations first came in. We wereforbidden to bring any 'substance' into work unless it was approved first. Unfortunately they neglected to define what a 'substance' was. So in theory we should have been arriving in our birthday suits.
Personally I'll still use Jeye's fluid for sterilising soil. I asume it's still used in chemical toilets, and what do they think people do with the contents?
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What tickled me was our Council allowed us, "the Lottie peeps" to paint half of our steel fence but when asked for the Council workers to do the taller 8ft fence, we were told they couldn't touch it because of COSHH.
So if the anti vandal paint is hazardous to the workers, what will it do to the Vandals? :D
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Personally I've never heard of using Jeyes fluid on the ground :-\
I only use it when washing out pots which I intend to grow flower type plants in. :-\
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Hi All,
Jeyes fluid is a less concentrated form of tar oil, before the advent of all the new chemical formulas it was used at seasons end to kill off hibernating slugs.
The old worthies rough dug their plots and used it at the rate of one capfull to 2 gallons of water.
Both are now however now classed as carcinogenic by the E.E.C.
I find it strange that the old worthies who have always used it in this way are still here to talk about its use. ::)
PREMTAL
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I find it strange that the old worthies who have always used it in this way are still here to talk about its use. ::)
PREMTAL
BUT we don't know about the one's who aren't here any longer ;)
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Don't know whether its true but Iheard Jeyes fluid is to be banned full stop at some point soon. I hope any "friendly" replacement still has that smell ;D
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Hiya. jeyes fluid is still sold by garden direct for the purpose of sterilising soil, as well as a general disinfectant. a lot of people at the allotment swear by it for stopping club root in cabbages, diluted one capful per watering can. worked a treat on mine.
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I used to get cats using my garage as a urinal so I sprinkled Jeyes fluid (powder form ) around. Never saw a cat again. ;D ;D
Rosemary
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Hi Hemajo,
Point taken, but there were never that many per head of population to start with who knew of its usage for that purpose. ;)
PREMTAL
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Rose.Mary
Is the powder form still called by the 'Jeyes' brand name?
We have a serious cat problem at the moment, one which uses part of my front lawn 'every day' as a toilet...its slowly killing the lawn.
We have tried the Jeyes fluid also hot pepper (powder form) but it doesn't appear to have a sense of smell...
We have tried one of those sensor high pitched noise things, the results of that little experiment would indicate that the offending cat is deaf too.
Any other ideas please?
'Desparate' Derek
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It was regular practice to put a tablespoon of Jeyes in a watering can of water and pour down dibbled holes as brassicas were being planted.
This seemed to deter clubroot but was a good assurance against cabbage root fly.
It was a good thing to have on a lotty was Jeyes...
It was also used to sterelize soil etc for greenhouse beds...
I have also seen it used in a weak solution for foiliar feeding chrysanths and. as a spray for whitefly. But alas in their wisdom it is yet another thing that has been banned from use on gardens .We havent got a reliable fungicide anymore has all these have been banned .I wonder if it is all a master ploy to get us to buy the what is in my opinion irradiated rubbish that abounds today.
I wonder if commercial growers are as restricted as we are now in what we can and cant use..cheers .Jim
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I think Armillatox is now the replacement product for Jeyes. You can still buy Jeyes though. Thanks for the cabbage info by the way. Will try that as I have some Armillatox in the shed
Deterring cats - we have the same prob and my OH noticed next door's cat crapping in his newly sown lawn the other day. Read on here that tea bags soaked in Olbas oil deters them so I;m going to go and buy some and try it
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Derek - Yes it did go by the Jeyes fluid logo, but I haven't seen any for a long time so it could be one of those thing that has been banned.
Talking about things being banned - I think the fact that we can not burn anything on the allotment now is not a good thing as certain deceases need to be burnt to control them. What do we do with our club root infected roots? We can't put them on the compost and taking them to the tip will only spread the d**n thing.
Rosemary
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Have a bonfire on bonfire night then you won't draw attention to yourself as everyone everywhere will be doing the same ;D I'll be on my lotty doing just that :)
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Is Armatillox still available? I thought that was another thing that had been banned i the last couple of years.
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I believe it is. The company who sell it is near me in Derbys and they also make that Link a Bord. It's a winter tar wash for cleaning up at the end of the season around roses and fruit trees etc. The company name is Armillatox so it should be easy to find, and it's in Morton in Derbyshire
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I know it well, just thought it had been EU'ed last year - used to be used to clean soil around honey fungus i believe.
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Armillatox is still available it is now called Armillatox soap based outdoor cleaner.It is no longer advertised as a garden product in Europe due to the new EEc regs.
It remains unchanged but is now advertised as a path tennis court cleaner etc to kill algae etc. ...cheers jim
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I read all the below with interest and understand the viewpoints. I'd like to make a partial explanation of why products are withdrawn from fields of use.
First - they may have been proven, following repeated and expensive tests, to be harmful for that particular application. Think about it - How many of you would encourage your kids to smoke now? Or would use nicotine as a glasshouse fumigant and stay in there whilst the fumes were being spread? But you wouldn't have worried say 80 years ago. New legislation, and education, has improved all our lives and sometimes we just have to move with the times and take things on board.
Second - the pharmaceutical companies, like all business, are wanting to make a profit. If the product does not have high sales, the cost involved (which does run into millions) in proving that the product is safe sometimes outweighs the return on investment they have to put in. So they don't apply for approval. This is sensible business on their part, but inconveniences us.
I for my part prefer not to use chemicals unless they are approved, because I accept that I do not know best in every case, and have a degree of respect for experts who have studied the field that I haven't. In fact, I prefer not to use shop bought chemicals at all, as it seems I can always find a natural way around most pest and disease problems.
I know this will seem stuffy to some, it's not intended to be, it is just another point of view, from a fellow gardener.
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Wardy - yes we are having a communal bonfire on the appropriate night but I have just got this new plot and I want to clear the rotten wood away as soon as possible. Also my point is not just the wood but weeds that are not good on the compost and plants that have failed because of some bug or bacteria, that is what I want to burn on a regular basis.
It took three of us three days to clear years of accumulated rubbish from our sit only to get new tenants (and some old ones) bringing more rubbish down here because it is easier than going to the tip. (Ain't I in a bad mood tonight) ::)
jennym - as for legislation and education improving life, that IS debatable. I prefer to get all the facts and then make up my own mind - yes education comes into this somewhere. :D
Rosemary