Allotments 4 All
General => Assisted Gardening => Topic started by: moment on January 02, 2010, 14:59:57
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i am suffering vandalism from another allotment member- due to being new and having a disagreement with this member when i moved in.i am disabled and every job is a big struggle, usually racked in pain but i do it because i was practically housebound before.
i could just about deal :'(with things being stolen, but the latest damage to my little shed is just about the last straw-with everything inside being soaked again.i know its not kids because i am the only one under attack.its a waste of time going to the allotments manager- she and this person are great pals. do i give up and go away quietly, or is there something `real` i can do? can anyone help me please?
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Go to the police. They will not be able to catch them. But it will make them think twice about it. Don't be bullied, tell the police if you feel threatened. Bullies are cowards and they will soon stop if they feel intimidated by your actions.
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Welcome moment.
Don't give in. Talk to the manager but dont point the finger - just tell her that your stuff is being damaged/stolen and that you plan to go to the police if nothing is done. I'm sure the message will get through. Maybe tell her that the local rag may be interested in the story as well.
Is it council run or private? Talk to the council or land owner.
Check the rules/regs for anything concerning dispute management and use it.
How are the rest of the plotholders? Get onside with some of them and talk to them..
Let us know how you get on..
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dont give up just because of some idiot, the lottie can be a great escape from the mundane and be very therapeutic ., totally agree with ace go to the police so that even if cant do anything they are aware what has happened should anthing else occur, But most of all dont let the *fatherless children* grind you down >:(
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Let these people know you have reported it to the police.
Last year my mum was quite clever,a group of kids started hanging about,a car would come sometimes and we think drugs exchanged hands.They were a pest.My mother went to the grandmother of one of the kids and casually said she knew that the police had put a camera up and the close was under observation.She said she should not really know about it but she had been told in confidence and please not to let anyone else know.All big fibs.Sure enough,kids grandmother must have told the kid because they all went away as if by magic. :)
Start fibbin ;D
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Nice Betula! I ran a pub before the babies and I had a theft problem there. My area manager came in for a meeting about it and although the crux of the meeting was - you sort it out or else, the staff were told that head office had authorised cctv which was being installed next week. Problem solved. ;D
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Our rules and regs clearly state that bullying and intimidation is not tolerated by any plotholder against another. If proved it results in instant eviction. I would think the hardest part would be proving it.
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I would agree there lottie rules do and should cover that but id take pics and notes try get friends to corroborate things but if non of that appeals put your faith in the police
do not let a bully push you out
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you all brought me a smile in what you had to say, and i have decided to take photos, fib,(but really rubbish at that!)-and call the police in. then i will plant some more onions-in the hope this idiot doesnt start touching crops again -although he has used weed killer on my plot before-on his own admittance-but following it up by saying he was killing weeds!
thank you so much to you all i`m really glad to be a member on here -and really appreciative of all your kind advice- and laughs!thank you all.
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Spraying weedkiller on your plot without your permission is enough to get him throw off any allotment site. Also against the law if I remember right. Somebody on here that has more up to date regs. on herbicides than the ones I can recall should put you right.
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Welcome to A4A Moment :)
And as others have said don't let the bullies win!
Good luck
1066
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Spraying weedkiller on your plot without your permission is enough to get him throw off any allotment site.
If he has admitted this then he should be thrown off. Disgraceful! Don't give in!
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Hi Moment, Hi all :)
I`ve recently reported vandalism (breaking locks off my sheds) twice in a few weeks to the police and found they have taken the reports very seriously. If these crimes aren`t reported then they can`t help. I`d recommend that you report intimidation and vandalism to the police.
Best of luck, Col
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Hiya, moment, not a nice situation :-\
on the up side, where do you live, we'll all come around and sort it out, I've got a big stick, well, 2 actually ;D
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hi moment
dont let this no hope bully drive you off your allotment.my friend took an overgrown plot next to mine we found the woman in the house backing on to the plot had cut the fencing and had acess to the plots.
the site rep siad to block it up as she is not a plot holder so has no need to be coming in.
this did leave the woman a little bit angry,as she liked making regular visits(iwonder why).
after talking to the concil and them writting her a letter,she seems to have vanished.
dont let thm win
good luck on your plot
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ha! ha! you really do all make me laugh i feel good again!the big stick might be useful manic! i live in plymouth!
to the rest of you and just for the record the `offender` is an ex- CPO in the navy-i think he finds it difficult to get out of the habit of telling young sailors what to do all day?!
the allotments are council owned and when this chappy sprayed my plot i did report it to the manager-who also ¬ganged` up against me and my daughter-and we were made to feel like ``the new troublemakers``-so cant really complain either.i have told the fibs about the police having put up a camera-although i`m really rubbish when it comes to fibbing-and so not sure if i was convincing enough?!am hoping to get some reopairs on my shed done this week after the forecast snow for down here in plymouth- so watch this space everyone!
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Good luck ;D
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Good to see you back Moment though sorry about the problems you're having. Hope your health is on the mend.
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Brew some magic mushroom and senna wine and leave a few bottles in the shed. It wont undo the damage but you can have a little snigger...
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Take Aces advice & tell the police if it happens again.
Please do not let them bully you. Good luck to you keep us informed OK. ;D ;D
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Welcome to the forum Moment.
I'd report every incident to the police and the council not the on site rep.
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I also live in Plymouth. I did look up information about the allotments here, theres a waiting list of 1600 :o I think ill do our garden first before being more adventurous.
Im sorry to hear of the trouble your having.
http://www.plymouth.gov.uk/homepage/leisureandtourism/parksgardensandopenspaces/allotments/allotmentfaq.htm
It is the page for the Plymouth council allotments, they do give a police number to ring for vandalism, etc and I think you might be able to swap allotments (If the person is really getting to you)
Wishing you well.
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lewic naughty lol but oh so fun for those that might like to steal lol ;D
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Im a Policeman (pauses for boos and hisses).
In my role at the moment I am a Neighbourhood beat officer.
I always make a big show of visiting the scene/victim of this sort of thing.
I find a mystery box and loud conversations with phrases like "Ok that's sorted now. We should get some good images" and "We take this sort of thing very seriously and I'll be looking to make arrests." often gets the gossip sweeping around.
As for weed killer. If it was used on cultivated crops that's an offence of Criminal damage simple as that.
If he is causing you ANY grief he could well be committing an offence of harassment. In my force we issue a formal warning letter and then arrest on the 2nd occasion.
But I would imagine that he is almost certainly breaching the terms of his agreement to rent the allotment. This is going to be the easiest and most effective way of dealing with it.
Remember that everyone has a boss even the manager. I find that asking for their name and contact number often causes a change of attitude.
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I agree, everyone does have a boss even the manager! Report it to the manager, tell her you are going to report it to the police and the council and you want a report on what action has been taken. Good luck, please keep us informed and all the best. :D
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Im a Policeman (pauses for boos and hisses).
Not from me greenfists. Huge respect for our boys and girls in blue. ;D
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Thanks for that. :)
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No prob Bob. I find people have a real attitude about the police...until they need them that is. ;D
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Wish you were my neighbourhood beat officer. Mine doesn't know how to listen.
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I am another one who says to report it, each and every time..also keep a log of any comments, conversations , incidents etc with anyone who is intimidating you, DO NOT give in to them, that will only add to their fuel for the next time they want to bully somebody, and remember bullies are almost always cowards, you can use that to your advantage.
Find out the name of the person who is in charge of lotties for your council, make contact with him directly, let the manager get lost!! Also if you are disabled and have any connection with an organisation of any kind that helps the disabled contact them too,they are there to help you with all sorts of problems, this would be right up their street. Make an appointment with the council person and request that a spokesman from the organisation goes along with you for support. Believe me, the council will not ignore a situation were someone disabled is being ill treated.
Actually even telling the site manager what I suggest might be enough for it to stop..use the phrase " I have been advised".. or " having taken advice on the matter I intend to"............. remember as was said earlier ,bullies are cowards
Be brave.. and don't give in..
Good luck
XX Jeannine
PS.. for the sweetie police officer... don't let them bully you either, bless your heart XX
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Support the police approach, we used to have sporadic problems but the police were really helpful and the issue has now disappeared!
Good Luck
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Maybe I should become the virtual neighbourhood officer for the forum, a PC PC so to speak.
I feel some police puns coming on..............
A hole has appeared in my lottie. The police are looking into it.
The lottie toilet has been stolen. The police say they have nothing to go on. etc etc etc.
Seriously if I can help anyone let me know.
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and people say coppers have no sense of humour.... ;D
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Where do you live Greenfists
999 letsbe avenue.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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A thousand dogs were stolen from the petshop yesterday - the ploice say they have no leads....
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A local man was found murdered in his home over the weekend. Detectives at the scene found the man face down in his bathtub. The tub had been filled with milk and cornflakes, and the deceased had a banana protruding from his buttocks... Police suspect a cereal killer.
;D ;D ;D
Lushy x
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Now look what you've gone and started greenfists !! ;D ::) :P
On a serious note what Jeannine says about contacting a local organisation that represents disabled people is a great idea, and if the local police were contacted then a bit up joined up working could be done!
1066
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Wow our very own Mr Plod, now how lucky can we get. Careful constable..you could get very busy here
XX Jeannine
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Our police were terrific when some boys started putting up tents on our plot and wouldn't go away when we asked them to. They had caused trouble the previous year with drugs and burning stuff, and this year they kicked some of our crops about. I walked round to the police station, and a big burly officer got back to them before I did. Off they went and haven't been back, and the council has now put fences and gates all round the plot.
Always worth reporting. At the very least, they have to record it, and when things have built up over time, they do something about it.
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hi. How's things now?
We/I also have a problem with, shall we say, 'atitude'.
The first one was when our neighbours tried nicking 3-5 foot strip all the way Up our plot and installing their fence over our dig line... Then confronting a 'why a disabled person wanted such a big site... {er, what's it got to do with you? And get off our plot!}
That was rectified by a big ex-army chappy with tattoos and buzz-cut coming and helping for a few days {before he moved here permanently} when the other allotment holders were about.
So I recommend getting a 'dangerous looking' chap to come and help you a few times... And let it drop in conversation that he's recently on leave from war or prison officer duties, etc.
Or make friends with your local Royal British Legion biker group!
JP
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