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General => Computers / Internet => Topic started by: Garden Manager on August 26, 2015, 09:46:45
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I was just wondering if anyone has tried it yet? I was a bit reluctant but yeaterday i decided to upgrade my laptop (my 'second' PC after my main desktop PC) in order to try it out. Have to say i am quite impressed. Not sure about the new browser replacing IE (Edge) but like the idea of Apps like on a tablet or smartphone. My laptop is quite old but sees to run much quicker with 10 so far.
Of course my desktop has much more software, data and i run all my peripherals from it so remains to be seen how that will perform with 10, but so far so good.
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I've been thinking about upgrading mine and have got half way, just not had the nerve to press the final button yet!
Glad it is working well so far for your laptop. Does it take long to do?
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Upgraded mine on a desktop this morning. Needs to be got used to. Frustratingly screwed up my e-mail. Now waiting for MS to verify my e-mail account after filling in a fairly lengthy form. Can't understand why it wouldn't let me use my e-mail and it had to be verified especially as I entered my password. Bloody annoying if I have to change my e-mail address .
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I now have Windows 10 and am very pleased with it as I never really got on with Windows 8. I don't have a tablet or smart phone so don't know anything about Apps. I went out to buy a tablet last year but ended up buying a small touch screen laptop instead. Now it is upgraded to Windows 10, it seems much faster and much easier to use.
I've been thinking about upgrading mine and have got half way, just not had the nerve to press the final button yet!
Glad it is working well so far for your laptop. Does it take long to do?
We have snail broadband in our village and my laptop took about 24 hours to download.
Upgraded mine on a desktop this morning. Needs to be got used to. Frustratingly screwed up my e-mail. Now waiting for MS to verify my e-mail account after filling in a fairly lengthy form. Can't understand why it wouldn't let me use my e-mail and it had to be verified especially as I entered my password. Bloody annoying if I have to change my e-mail address .
I had problems with my email to begin with and my OH sorted it all out for me and I didn't have to change my email address. Please don't ask me what he did!!
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My brother-in-law upgraded his desktop (a standard Dell machine a couple of years old). The Dell was running Windows 7, although I don't know which flavour of 7.
It was a disaster. Windows 10 handles touchscreens, whereas his old operating system of course did not. It looks as though he ended up with the Windows 10 system expecting touchscreen input (which may indeed have been his own fault for not understanding what he was doing). At some point he persuaded it to revert to Windows 7, but the mouse wouldn't work, or rather the mouse worked but the cursor didn't move.
It took Microsoft level 2 support over 3 hours to fix it, and of course he had to go through around 9 hours of level 1 support before they agreed to escalate it.
I must say that Microsoft Windows is becoming less and less attractive. Only a very few years ago we had exclusively MS Windows machines - desktops, laptops, and a netbook. Now the netbook is being retired, and we have moved to Android and Apple iOS. We keep just one Windows desktop.
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Just had an e-mail to say they can't verify my account. Was working perfectly until I installed Windows 10. Looks like a new e-mail address for me. Think I'll give Microsoft a miss and go elsewhere. So p*ss*d of as now have to inform loads of people my new e-mail address.
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I hope this thread goes on for a while yet so that OUR experiences can be aired, I trust these somewhat more than the online previewing companies.
These companies are manned by experts, some of whom may be sponsored by software companies so I feel sometimes that their findings are not always to be trusted.
By contrast when the general public reply they tend to give a more down to earth reasons, based on their experiences.
I have been reading up on W10 and I am still undecided.
In fact only last week I decided I am going to wait until after Christmas before I go one way or the other.
I am getting the impression that Microsoft are building W10 as they go along and modifying it as they get 'feedback' hence the reason they are giving it free for the next 12 months.
I am also led to believe that W8 was not much of a success ( I have W7) and they do not want this with W10.
Then after the 12 months are up they will sell their " tried and tested" system at there usual astronomical prices, or will they?
One thing that does concern me is the "Apps" not for the apps sake but I feel that in future users will have to buy Apps to improve their system, not like now where MS gives you regular updates as a matter of course.
This reminds me of the car trade where mass produced cars are produced relatively cheap but the parts can cost a fortune, will these apps follow the same course???
OK the user can be selective in what apps to buy (or not as the case might be)
OK I might be over reacting and I hope I am, but I am basing these thoughts on the the current TV ads where they are showing small children as the eventual users not old non-IT literate people like me, hence my hesitancy in hitting the button.
So as I said....lets have all your good,bad and indifferent opinions guys, I for one would like to hear/read them...Tg
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Updated 6month old laptop from 8.1 to 10. Just pressed the button and waited as it asked. And waited, and waited. Got fed up and went to bed. Next am, all sorted. Has been good for the last 6days. Seems quicker and lost a lot of annoying features from 8.1. Much easier than w 8 Pro at work. No need of a microsoft account for any use I need so not done that. I use Firefox from Mozilla and Open Office suite for most things. Email free from UK2.net so no major costs. Sometimes wonder what we could do without it. How things have changed since a £1000 Commodore Pet!(8 kilobyte memory if my losing memory holds good)
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Done it a week or so ago. A few niggles but I started on a safe start one morning with f8 and all rectified itself. As for new email addresses and such just go up to the right hand corner with the row of dots, drop down the menu and run internet explorer and transfer all your old stuff over to edge. One thing that was a nuisance is that streaming videos gave me a green screen, so I run them in explorer, but I will have to sort it some day soon. Cortana is good for searching, but only typed questions. Enough womens wittering going on here without another tart joining in.
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Windows 8 had been driving me crackers ever since I bought a new PC about 3 years ago. When I bought this new one in Feb I hummed and ha'd over an Apple Mac but I have lots of software and documents in Windows that I need for running the dance club and I was advised that migrating them to Apple would not be straight forward. Carried on with Windows 8 which I loathed so I upgraded to Windows 10 nearly 2 weeks ago. Had to leave it to download for several hours and then discovered it has a major feature. It stops Microsoft's own Outlook programme for managing emails from sending emails. What a spectacular bug.
Found a forum with other people having the same problem and did the fix someone advised on there and I am now OK but I doubt very much if I will ever buy a Windows PC again. I just do not understand how they can let such a thing loose on their customers, especially as I used to work for one of the British software houses that supplied programmers to Microsoft in Seattle to develop the original Windows and I know about developing software and thorough testing protocols. There has been no apology and Microsoft do not seem to be fixing the bug themselves.
Here's the forum thread in case it can help anyone else -
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook_com/forum/oemail-osend/windows-10-upgrade-outlook-send-error/f4972f09-5961-40a8-a2aa-a5faaf982746
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My issue is this.
I never upgrade an existing operating system and nor would most of my fellow techies. We always start from scratch - wipe the disk or partition and start again. Of course this is a hassle and not easy for the average user, plus you need to back up your files, restore them and then reinstall your programs. However you get a nice clean install and generally it is easier to identify issues.
I have 10 running on a virtual machine here but I must confess to not having looked at it much. I will update my real pc in few months but I have access to full install CDs so a fresh install it will be for me. I will do my wife's soon as her PC needs a reinstall anyway.
One chap at work (long term IT bod) updated - total disaster with sound not working and other issues. Went back to 7 and natch it was fecked. So he is backing up and starting again. Others have reported that is great for low end PCs and starts really quickly. One guy in the office is running it now as his main PC and it seems fine.
I am not sure what Tee Gee means about having to buy apps to improve the system. If think there may be some confusion over different version but that wont affect home users. Windows enterprise comes in two flavours - Long Term Servicing Branch and Current Branch. The LTSB is similar to how versions are delivered today with a new one delivered every couple of years and in between each new version Microsoft will provide security updates, bug fixes and so on. Alternatively, customers can choose to use the CB method which provides security updates, bug fixes, and new features every few months. It just gives us techies different degrees of control over the update process.
IMHO Windows 10 is a solid product but in the end it is just an OS and wont change your life and it is essentially free if you update now (the free offer only last for a year then you have to buy but you don't have to pay if you have already updated) - MS have never charged for service packs and updates and that is not going to change with Windows 10.
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OBBELIX Thanks for the tip was having problems with outlook sending mail all sorted now
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Glad it helped Paul.
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Getting mixed feed back on it so far. After working fine the first day I had a few problems the next time I used it. Apps and the store wouldn't work and th Internet connection was hit and miss (some things connected others didn't, mostly new 10 based itens). Got an error code for the problems which told me to install an update patch which seemed to cure the problem. Most thing I have tried so far, both software and hardware seem to work fine.
Has anyone found though that in 10 your Microsoft account is distinct from Hotmail accounts? I got in a bit of a muddle with my logins for these.
I never had windows 8 so did not experience the problems users had with it. I have tried the 'tablet'view on my copy, which I assume is similar to win 8 desktop and I quite like it. I use a tablet a lot (android) so I am as used to the tablet system of tapping apps and tiles as using the traditional window desktop and start menus.
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This computer sort of did it itself, we were dithering about getting the download and then next thing it was downloading.
Everything works fine and I like it -no problems with outlook.
Only problem is my screen looks like a stupid stretched limo!! it's a sort of widescreen and we can't yet get the aspect right a bit like watching an old program on telly and everyone looks very odd :toothy10:
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This computer sort of did it itself, we were dithering about getting the download and then next thing it was downloading.
Everything works fine and I like it -no problems with outlook.
Only problem is my screen looks like a stupid stretched limo!! it's a sort of widescreen and we can't yet get the aspect right a bit like watching an old program on telly and everyone looks very odd :toothy10:
I havent looked into personalising the desktop much yet but will do as there are aspects of the default desktop that i dont like. BTW there must be a way of getting the aspect ratio right for your screen. have another play around with the settings as it can take a few goes to get it to suit. Have found this with previous windows as well.
yes it is easy to install without intending to. Once downloaded it will keep trying to install unless you keep postponing it. While i have installed 10 on one machine i am sticking to 7 on my main PC until i have tried 10 out properly. As I have already downloaded 10 to thia PC it keeps wanting to install it, and i have to keep saying NO! (not yet anyway).
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B Nick quoted
but I have access to full install CDs so a fresh install it will be
How do you go about getting CD's?
As I understand it the free software is only available as a 'download' and CD's have not been released because MS has not finalised the system yet.
Could you explain Nick
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B Nick quoted
but I have access to full install CDs so a fresh install it will be
How do you go about getting CD's?
As I understand it the free software is only available as a 'download' and CD's have not been released because MS has not finalised the system yet.
Could you explain Nick
Windows 10 is a finalised product, in as far as any OS is finalised, and you can download the disk image yourself. I have a Volume License through work which gives me the ability to download disk images. To go with that I have two types of license key. One is KMS which is a server based license for networked PCs and then I have loads of "normal" keys for stand alone installs so I can pinch some of them of home use. Admittedly and unusually the Volume customers were last in the queue. We normally get releases ahead of general release but not with Windows 10.
That aside you can download an image - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10)
which you can use to install 10 but it will only function as a free update unless you have a key. I am reliably informed that you can get key generators illegally through torrent sites etc but I couldn't recommend that.. As I have access to keys I wouldn't need it anyway!
You can also buy Windows 10 pro either as a download or USB install - http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msuk/en_GB/list/Windows-10/categoryID.70175000?icid=home_spotlight_4_windows-10-buy-w10_25082015 - that way you can do a new clean install.
Some were saying you can use your Windows 7 or 8 keys to use with the update disk but I haven't looked into that.
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Has anyone found the screensavers not working? Havent been able to get a working screensaver on my machine since upgradine despite altering settings several times. Nothing seems to work, so the screen stays on all the time. I think power management may have the same problem, sleep/standby functions not working or not working properly under 10.
Otherwise the system works fine, quite happy with it but this is a concern.
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Screensavers working fine on my virtual box..
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I have been wading through the articles on this page;
http://articles.informer.com/tag/windows-10/ (http://articles.informer.com/tag/windows-10/)
I am finding it has some interesting (if some times confusing) reading.
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I replaced Windows 8.1 with Windows 10 about 3 weeks ago on my desktop PC and all went well. I was expecting some really big problems but only took just over an hour and have had no problems since. It does seem a lot faster starting and updates are installed automatically. I was so impressed I decided to ask for the upgrade for my laptop which had Windows 7. I could go and make a cup of tea and a sandwich before it loaded. The download for that came through earlier in the week and took most of one evening and took about an hour the following day before it was ready. It took about a couple of hours and was then done. I restarted the laptop and was amazed how quickly it loaded Windows 10 in comparison with Windows 7.
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All was going fine until i went to use headphones to listen to something. Sound from the inbuilt speakers work fine but once i plug in headphones or external speakers into the audio out jack the sound cuts out. Cant seem to find and way of reactivating it throught the sound settings.
Next i discovered neither the screensaver function or the power saving functions (turning off the screen when PC is idle, automatic sleep mode etc) would work under 10. Always worked fine with 7. Not a massive problem as i can manualy shut the screen off or put the PC into sleep mode but if you forget to do it it will mean everything stays on, wasting power and probably working components longer and harder than they need to.
Whilst trying to sort out these problems i discovered a bigger problem. Windows Update will not work. Since i upgraded some updates to 10 had been released but instead of automaticaly downloading and installing like 7 does, these updates needed downloading and installing manual. Fine, except i cant even do that! Installation of updats fails each time i try.
Not being able to update is a big problem, it not only means the software cant keep up to date like Microsoft promise, but with a new OS, fixes to glitches and bugs arent accessible. Worse, a PC will become vunerable to security threats as the inbuilt secutity application (Windows Defender) wont get updated either.
I am frustrated. I like Windows 10 but the above problems are significant and need solving before i caan fully commit to it, or recomend it to family members etc.
If anyone else has encountered these problems and has any insight into solving them i would be keen to find out more.
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Try the link I posted on page 1 to a forum where people are swapping solutions to 10 problems.
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Well, I've tried to upgrade to windows 10 quite a few times now and keep getting an error which prevents it installing fully. I've since been having problems getting into my email account, but after much swearing, some blank screens, a few restores etc all seems to be back to how it was, pretty much. So looks like I won't be upgrading to Windows 10 anytime soon unless they fix the problem.
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Is it my imagination or is MS secretly uploading updates to W7 to cater for W10?
Over the last few days I have had in excess of thirty updates.
Plus my PC seems to behaving rather erratically after each set of updates.
As I say it might be my imagination or else my PC is slowing down like me as we age!
Anyone else having anything similar happening to them?
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Yes we also had a massive spurt of updates of Windows 7 over the last few days. And (although whether this is in any way related, I could not say), yesterday morning I had great problems getting connected. Some sites (including US sites) worked and others (including .co.uk sites) did not. OH had exactly the same on his machine. Half an hour later all was back to normal. Very unusual and for once, I don't think our router was to blame.
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Updates are part of the usual process and I don't think there is anything secret about them as you can check your PC to see exactly what has been installed - you can even choose not to install them if you so wish.
What you are probably seeing is that Windows 7 has been downloading Windows 10 updates. If you have clicked on the Windows 10 update icon in the system tray then at some point your system will download the setup files. MS have been releasing updates for issues that have been found in Windows 10. However most of the updates over the last few days have been aimed at the usual targets - Windows 7, Office 2013, IE, Defender etc.
galina - if you both couldn't get to a bunch of .co.uk sites the that sounds like a dns issue at your ISP to me.
(http://i.imgur.com/BTjEXbi.png)
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Thankyou B Nick for your explanations. Makes sense.
No - me coward! - have not yet pressed on any Windows 10 buttons, although the blue pane does pop up regularly tempting me.
DIL's Dad downloaded it and is struggling with it, but at least it seems to work on his laptop, others report getting error messages and can't even get this far. Maybe it is wise to leave it to the experts for a bit. :wave:
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Thanks Nick
This sort of confirms my suspicions that the updates were more about W10 than say my W7
This article makes interesting reading:
http://articles.informer.com/is-upgrading-to-windows-10-worthwhile-from-your-perspective.html (http://articles.informer.com/is-upgrading-to-windows-10-worthwhile-from-your-perspective.html)
Particularly the bit about our equipment where it asks if it is powerful enough.
What has been going through my mind prior to reading this article was;
Do I need it?
Should I wait another nine or ten months?
My PC is getting a bit outdated and may need replacing meaning that a new one would be compatible and contain W10.
I think I will hang fire particularly when I know what some of you guys have gone through, plus due to the experience I have had with recent updates and seen how they have affected my PC, it seems to suggest that my PC is not up to the job of carrying W10
Add to that my motto :
If it is not broke don't fix it
So yes I am going to wait awhile.
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Yeah - Its just an operating system, not a life changing experience. As a rule of thumb I mostly give it at least a few months before updating to a new OS. There are always issues that need sorting and although I am willing it give even betas a go on a test or virtual box I would leave it alone on my main PC.
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My new laptop comes with an option to update to Windows 10...should I do it .
I must admit I don't like change and when choosing this laptop the main thing was that it wasn't touchscreen, it isn't so I am nervous to rock the boat, I am OK with it so far apart form the key thing mentioned in a another posting
Advice would be appreciated.
XX Jeannine
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Well Windows 10 is a little different to Windows 7 so if you don't like change then don't bother with it. However sooner or later you will have to update if you want to be secure but that isn't for several years yet. At the moment there is no overwhelming reason to update if you are happy with what you have..
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Trouble is Microsoft are pushing very hard to get people to upgrade. The 12 month limit on free upgrades is just one 'incentive' along with changing the upgrade from 'optional' to 'recommended' whereby it will automatically download (but not install) with other windows updates (that you 'must' have). Pushy popups to update once downloaded are another trick. My dad got caught by this and ended up upgrading by mistake the other day because he was trying to get rid of the popup.
I am also convinced Windows 7 updates, both type and frequency are also trying to push us into upgrading, if only by cluttering up our operating systems so much we get fed up with 7 and move up to 10 to 'make our machines better'!
I have also read about other things Microsoft are doing that may or may not make people upgrade. IE is soon having support withdrawn and so wont stay as secure - they want us to upgrade to get Edge and Defender perhaps? Rubbish i say, who uses IE anyway? Just switch to Chrome or Firefox instead to stay secure.
I have also read that the next generation of processors for Windows machines will be programmed to only run with 10 rather than any recent Windows. That means when upgrading a PC there will be no choice but to use 10 unlike now when there is choice/flexibility.
personally i am still not sure about upgrading. Possibly my PC will work better with it but in other ways i could end up worse off for doing so, and i don't like being bullied by anyone!
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I have decided not to bother.. there seems no point right now, if I am still around down the road I can decide then LOl so I am sticking with what I nearly know LOL Thank you for the help
XX Jeannine