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Produce => Non Edible Plants => Topic started by: Emagggie on April 02, 2021, 20:38:55

Title: I D help required please.
Post by: Emagggie on April 02, 2021, 20:38:55
Please can anyone help with identification. I’m sure I know what this is but I can’t place it! 🙄
(For some reason the pic is sideways, so please lie down to view.)
Title: Re: I D help required please.
Post by: Tee Gee on April 02, 2021, 20:50:13
As far as I can tell I think it is Deutzia

http://www.thegardenersalmanac.co.uk/Content/D/Deutzia/Deutzia.htm (http://www.thegardenersalmanac.co.uk/Content/D/Deutzia/Deutzia.htm)
Title: Re: I D help required please.
Post by: Emagggie on April 02, 2021, 20:55:35
Thanks Tee Gee, but I think the flowers are more bell shaped. It reminded me of borage but there again, the flowers are different.
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Post by: Tee Gee on April 02, 2021, 22:52:24
Might be Weigelia
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Post by: gray1720 on April 02, 2021, 23:24:20
I'd guess a relation of comfrey, but Gurgle is not being my friend tonight.
Title: Re: I D help required please.
Post by: JanG on April 03, 2021, 07:16:36
I’d vote for comfrey too.
See https://www.wildfooduk.com/edible-wild-plants/comfrey/

The leaves are a bit less smooth perhaps than often, but maybe within natural variation?
Title: Re: I D help required please.
Post by: Palustris on April 03, 2021, 08:27:36
Looks like Comfrey to me too.
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Post by: Obelixx on April 03, 2021, 12:52:35
Comfrey for me too.  There are white, cream and more purpley flowered forms.   

Great for pollinators and great for making compost and even better for making comfrey tea - a rich fertiliser for tomatoes.   
Title: Re: I D help required please.
Post by: Emagggie on April 03, 2021, 23:30:40
Yes, it’s Comfrey! Many thanks one and all.
Never had comfrey tea though!
How do I make a fertiliser from it?
Title: Re: I D help required please.
Post by: saddad on April 03, 2021, 23:35:26
Cut off the foliage and soak...
 
Title: Re: I D help required please.
Post by: Tee Gee on April 04, 2021, 10:04:09
like the others mention this is one way

http://www.thegardenersalmanac.co.uk/Content/C/Comfrey/Comfrey.htm  (http://www.thegardenersalmanac.co.uk/Content/C/Comfrey/Comfrey.htm)

I never thought of Comfrey,possibly that's because I no longer have an allotment where there was lots of it. I guess it was a case of ; Out of sight out of mind! But glad to see that your query was resolved.
Title: Re: I D help required please.
Post by: Emagggie on April 04, 2021, 10:09:35
Me neither Tee Gee. That’s obviously where I remembered seeing it but just couldn’t place it. A daughter has it in her garden, it looks lovely just now. I will have to transfer a chunk, especially as I can make tomato fertiliser from it.
Title: Re: I D help required please.
Post by: Obelixx on April 04, 2021, 10:23:44
Comfrey tea is for plants, not people!

There is the smelly method where you soak the foliage in a bucket of water for a couple of weeks (needs a lid) and then strain and dilute 10 parts water to 1 part "tea" and use for tomatoes, peppers, chillies, beans, squashes and so on.   

The second method is to stand an old bin on bricks so you can make a hole in the bottom and place a container beneath it.  You then fill it with comfrey leaves and then weigh them down with bricks or stones so the resulting good comes out into the container.   No smell.  No mess.  Dilute as above.

Put the used leaves or goo on the compost heap for more benefits.

Jim McColl on Beechgrove ran a trial one year comparing comfrey tea to commercial tomato fertiliser and was so astonished by the results (disbelief) that he repeated it the following year to make sure.   Comfrey tea won hands down for yield and flavour.

Title: Re: I D help required please.
Post by: Emagggie on April 04, 2021, 11:55:33
Thanks Obelixx. I will have a go at method 2. I wonder if it would be good for roses....
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Post by: Obelixx on April 04, 2021, 12:43:16
Yes, and clematis.
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Post by: ACE on April 06, 2021, 11:24:23
I will have to transfer a chunk, especially as I can make tomato fertiliser from it.
You  will not need a chunk, the tiniest little bit of black root will soon take over your allotment.
Title: Re: I D help required please.
Post by: Obelixx on April 06, 2021, 11:55:35
Unless you want it to of course.  I transplanted some last autumn into a corner of the veg plot where I wanted it to spread so I can make lots of tea.   Between the cold, the chooks and OH doing his best to bury it in grass cuttings it's struggling.
Title: Re: I D help required please.
Post by: Emagggie on April 06, 2021, 13:52:20
I no longer have have an allotment Ace, so thank you for the timely advice. My veg plot is at the end of the garden and space is limited. I may have to rethink.
Shame about yous, Obelixx, I’m sure it will pick up. 😬
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Post by: Obelixx on April 06, 2021, 15:01:34
I hope so.  It's been a long, cold winter here so it should be fine and I have more in pots to plant out when it warms up a bit. 

This time last year we were starting a 2 month heatwave and drought so going below freezing and having Arctic wind chill is a shocker this year.
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Post by: gray1720 on April 06, 2021, 18:54:23
Comfrey wine was reputed of old in East Anglia to be the world's greatest aphrodisiac.

Just saying.
Title: Re: I D help required please.
Post by: Emagggie on April 06, 2021, 21:44:33
Well, I’ve learned something new today!! 😆
Title: Re: I D help required please.
Post by: saddad on April 07, 2021, 08:55:00
Not sure about it's natural range Obelixx but the Vendee may be a bit warm/dry for it to thrive...
Title: Re: I D help required please.
Post by: Obelixx on April 07, 2021, 08:58:56
Hi Saddad.  It does OK here in a dry bed under a silk tree so partial shade at high noon and much of the pm.  Certainly less rampant than in the damper Belgian garden.   Anyway, having learned my lesson about how dry that bed can get I'm waiting for a rainy day to move the rest of the comfrey out of there and into its new bed at the bottom of the potager but, sod's law dictated serious rain and/or cold here since mid December so it hasn't been done yet.
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