Allotments 4 All
Produce => Edible Plants => Topic started by: Dirkdigger on January 22, 2006, 13:16:01
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Went to the allotment this morning, took a picture of my garlic. Put it in last year November I think.
Sorry about the weeds ground a little frozen today will tidy later in the week.
DD
PS broadbeans Sutton variety can be seen to the left under the net.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/Dirkdigger/garlicasof22106.jpg)
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WOW. ;)
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Coming along nicely. Mine isn't showing yet, but then it was planted in December.
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Mine was sown in November but the biggest is only about 4cm high - very slow getting going.
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Mine too Redclanger :'(
Elephant garlic's doing ok though.
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Dunno - only put it in yesterday, just in time for a cold spell. Yours look fab, DD. Hope mine catch up eventually.
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Those look great! Ours are doing OK but nothing like as big as that. We have onions, too, that I put in at the same time. Also planted a bed of broad beans and not one came up! I guess something ate them.
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Very impressive! But whereabouts in the country is the allotment?
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Down in the poor old west country.
DD
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hi
WOW very impressive. We put ours in last October/November and its about 5cm which we were pleased with, We just put the rest of it in today. The onions we put in in Oct/Nov haven't shown any sign of growth, is this normal or should we have some sign by now?
Pakaba
(first year on the plot)
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Very impressive, indeed.
Mine went in around November and all are sprouting but have only made it to an inch or two in height. I thought they were doing well till I saw yours.
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Show off ;D ;D ;D
mine only 6" :'(
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mines not through yet as ive not long planted it !! must admit ive planted it a bit closer together this year and ive planted it in a big square bin, just to save space.
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Hi Gunnerbee sent you a message!
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looking good dd!! 8) 8) 8)
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Still only 3inches in Cheshire & no change since before Christmas, but looking healthy.
The garlic that is.
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Hi Fowerlady, have got your message, have contacted admin to help me sort it out!!! cheers.
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very impressive
the new leaf growth on mine is just about keeping pace with the amount of old growth eaten by bugs and beasties.
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Current results from a very unscientific planting...
I planted 6 varieties (+ elephant) at the same time (29th Oct) in seed trays (as beds were not ready.) These were planted out on 8th Jan (during a period of warmer weather.) When planted out, all varieties (except elephant) had almost the same amount of root growth (an unexpected 6-8" - imagine the gentle untangling required! elephant only had about 2") but top growth varied considerably. One variety (Marco) was very tall (a few inches) others were about 1-2" high. Since planted out, all of them have shot up, but Marco is romping home... about 6-8" high (didn't measure, but will do this weekend) others are all visible (not bad considering I planted them deeper than in the seed tray) I am not concerned about the varied growth levels, as it seems to very consistent within each variety. Summary, don't worry about how high your garlic is - it probably depends much on the variety!
Other than Marco, other varieties planted are: Thermidrome, Cristo, Pink Lady, Germidour, A British variety from a local farm shop and 4 elephant cloves.
Autumn Onions (Silver Moon) though are another story, they are literally only just showing, despite planting at the same time as the garlic. Autumn Shallots (Jermor) are about 2" high
mat
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Just stuck mine in -in modules, I'm a tad worried about white rot and the less time it's in the soil the better.
Jeremy
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I planted three varieties at the end of November, I only have about 1" showing so far.
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Oh you show off Dirkdigger ;)
Mine planted in December but yay, definitely have some growth above ground so at least they haven't rotted!
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My garlic and onions are hiding under a 6" blanket of snow and ice, which hasn't melted properly since before Christmas! With temperatures down to -19°C recently (-17° this morning) I don't expect much is happening yet...
I planted four different winter onions/shallots and elephant garlic in early November. This is the first year I've tried winter onions + garlic so I don't know how they will cope with the cold....
I'm in no hurry, just enjoying the advantages of the snow, we're going skiing this afternoon, just 25 minutes drive from the local ski-lifts (children finish school at 1pm)
Dan.
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My early wight has about 2" growth; nothing on the other two/three varieties I planted last time I looked but that was ten days ago as had friends staying last weekend. Will let you all know on Saturday, as I'm sure there's lots of breath being bated :D
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Marvelous garlic rows! We only planted ours at the end of December, but when I was over to the lottie this morning, hurrah!! two little shoots have appeared. Hope mine do as well as yours DD. :) busy_lizzie
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hmm, planted shallots and garlic in December - found one garlic clove lying on the ground a few weeks ago which looked to be sprouting, so replanted it but now wondering if they've all been eaten ... or gone somewhere more exciting as there is no sign of any greenery :'(
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Simple answer - dont ask! Seriously I am a litle worried about my garlic. I planted it in mid/late October in a fresh piece of ground. To this date nothing has appeared. In comparison last years crop was planted around the same time and was up quite quickly. That said November/December 2004 were milder than the corresponding months in 2005, so maybe they are just a bit slow or its been too cold for them to grow?
How long do i wait to see if the crop iis a failure? What is the latest time i can plant more should this planting fail?
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I planted garlic in early November. Turning over a compost heap two weeks later, I was surprised (to say the least) to find fifty or so garlic cloves gathered together in the centre of the heap! A few days later, I noticed that something had been digging up my newly sown broad beans. I kept watch the following evening, just before dark, and saw the culprit in the act: a field mouse - or, to be precise, a pair of them. Having lost their store of garlic, they were stocking up their larder (in the newly turned compost heap) with broad beans! They were so attractive and industrious I didn't want to kill them, so I trapped them alive and relocated them (2 miles away) in a small wood. I had to wait till what what was left of the garlic (and there wasn't much) sprouted to know where to replant. The broad beans were pretty much wiped out. So, if your garlic hasn't sprouted after a reasonable time, I would recommend checking to see if it's still where you put it!
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My garlic is fine,the variety is Co-op!!! I wanted to grow 'proper ' garlic this year
(good offer in GYO mag) but didn't get round to ordering it!
regards, angle shades,x
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aaagh, fiveravens .. I'm seriously worried now. Will do a test dig at the w/e ... shall be sooooo disappointed if its not still there.
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'Tis a worry, isn't it, when nothing shows. Obviously, a physical check could put ones mind at rest but, meanwhile, be comforted (?) by this picture from the really garlicky co - that's last week. Feel better??
And be aware that Dobies' Solent Wight ,which they are still sending out, has a planting date of March/April. Maybe they know something that we don't??
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I've been reading through these thinking " But I haven't got any garlic " :(
Tim to the rescue!
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DD's pix are just amazing 8) You gonna pick off the flowerheads when they start to bolt - bout March-time? ;D
Planted Purple Wight late October - 14 all through, 6-9"
Elephant garlic planted same time - 3 @ 5", 2 just through, 1 a no-show (so far)
Electra red onions planted at the same time - bout as tall as DD's garlic (oh OK, praps just a tad shorter.) :P
Overwintering spring onions, tho, a great success, really healthy - 1st attempt - and I'm dead pleased :)
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Hmm I do have a pair of squirrels resident in the area, though i put neting over the planting bed in an effort to stop them digging them up. Its posible though a mouse couldve got underneath but then again ther would have been signs of digging and there appears to be none.
What has sprouted are weed seedlings, encouraged to germinate no doubt by the netting designed to keep the squirrels off!!
I think i might have a carefull dig and see if the bulbs are still there or if they have been 'stolen' or rotted off. It is possible they are just very slow. I had some snowdrops that i replanted in autumn do a similar thing. There was no sign of them whilst others (longer established) were already up and in bud, but they are now slowly coming through.
Patience, patience??!!
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Like how, Heldi? Like Dobies??
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Hands up - didn't plant any garlic in autumn. But they don't take long to come through. Picture below shows in the furthest tray some normal small purple, middle tray elephant garlic (sorry no names known of these, they are hand- me-downs) and the half tray is Bedfordshire Champion onion seed. All sown/planted 29/12/05 and kept in the downstairs loo (only space I had - unheated) for 14 days. They have been outside now in one of those small plastic mini racking things ever since.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a215/jennympics/GarlicelephantgarlicandBedChamponio.jpg)
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I've been reading through these thinking " But I haven't got any garlic " :(
Heldi, could spare you 2/3 heads of a Wight garlic (could even try to identify which, given time ::) ) - last year's crop? PM me if you'd like - could even throw in a couple of elephant cloves, too.
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Yes Tim...Dobies! Had thought I'd missed the boat as far as garlic is concerned.
Lishka you are very kind. Will pm you soon. Having trouble typing right now as have 2 year old on knee who likes pushing buttons.
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Well my garlic is outperforming my red onions by yards. The normal garlic - variety is whatever, has stems about 150mm, the elephant garlic about half that. The onions sadly are very sparse, with lots of misses. Perhaps I have lots to learn about growing onions.
That is a wonderful picture jennym, can I see more onions at the back, or are they something else?
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My overwintering onions are doing fine; most were planted very late as I had to clear beds before I could plant, but the beds have been coming up one by one. The garlic's not visible yet, but I'm expecting it before long as the first bed was planted a week after the latest lot of onions to appear. The second, which is mixed garlic, elephant garlic and shallots, was planted two weeks later. Meanwhile, the first onion bed to be planted has goosegrass coming up all over the place, it's a menace on parts of the plot. It's easier to pull up when it gets a bit longer.
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Hiya all,
Have I missed Garlic planting time altogether? I've just taken a plot last week and hope to get started on garlic and shallots as soon as but I'm not sure if I've missed the boat this year. Any thoughts?
Also would garlic be better off started out of the ground. As you can see I'm a novice...
Cheers!
Jon
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Well spotted Curry, At the back on the stand behind and in line with the garlic, is a tray of Red Baron onions - not quite so far advanced as the garlic, but still doing well. The other things are some of my alpines and rock plants, keeping dry for winter, and some Fatsia japonica (I think) seedlings.
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I've just received my garlic from Suttons - Albigensian White - but it says plant out March-April - gutted! Been waiting for it to arrive as I am dying to actually plant something in my new plot! ???
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My information on Albigensian Wight (from the Garlic Farm) says plant in autumn, smaller bulb from spring planting. So evidently you can plant late, but the sooner the better. They're the experts on garlic, so put it in ASAP.
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Thanks Robert - I have two bulbs so I think I will put one in now and one in when they say and see what happens.
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My Garlic and Shallots are about 1" through the soil although they have fantastic root growth, I managed to plant them in early November. I was lucky enough to have a bit of a gentle hoe round them yesterday, although I think I will have to fleece them over for a bit of protection.
If anyone is intrested I have a double sided A4 sheet from the garlic farm about all the different varieties, pests and diseases, growing and cooking tips. I'm happy to scan it and email it to you. Just PM with your address.
Matt
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Too late, Heldi, now that you've found Lishka, but what I meant was that Dobies etc were still sending Garlic out.
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My garlic have shot up, I now have 4" above soil.
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GArlic and onions really beginning to grow now, don't they know it was -10 last week? Still have to plant the shallots. Maybe tomorrow.
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Every year I plant garlic - every year it disappears. So I'd decided to cut my losses...
...then the work's canteen bought some plaits of garlic bulbs for decoration. After a while they started sprouting, so I offered to take it off their hands (I'm a kindly soul really), so now I have 16 HUGE bulbs - well, to me anyway - each bulb has around a dozen large cloves. I've no idea of the variety.
Anyway, I'm going to put them in planters tomorrow, rather than into the soil, so I can at least keep an eye on them. If these ones disappear...well, suffice to say there will be a posting of many asterisks!!
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Well i thought mine where doing fine until now ::)
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I planted onions and garlic back in November and you can just see the them coming through. I planted both too deep I think. If I get anything i'll be pleased. Got some seed onions later they were sown last week and just coming through in seed trays.
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im glad i read this now, went to allotment this week (first time in ages, myself and children having illness after illness. me having chicken pox for eg) (at my age for goodness sake) was expecting to find great changes, boo hoo. garlick and onions only 1/2" up and beans all gone, (nice weeds though) glad thats normal
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Does anyone feed their onions and garlic while they are growing?
How about a sprinkle of chicken pellets? Would that be good or bad? :-\
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Gave my bed a feed of Growmore to weeks before planting in cloves, not fed them since. Can they be given another feed or leave alone ?
DD
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Quote from the Garlic Farm's advice on growing
During the spring the garlic crop responds to applications of nitrogen and sulphur to encourage healthy leaf growth. There is some evidence that the sulphur also assists in the formation of higher levels of allicin, the sulphur compound which is at the centre of the medicinal properties of garlic and also for the sulphurous combinations which make up garlic's pungent aroma.
Hope this helps!
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Wow there big'uns ;D
Mine went in in December into root trainers in a cold greenhouse (well the alpine house really ;) ) they are up and about 3" but very strong, just got to find the weather to get them in !!!
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Garlic now about 8 inches tall. Onions between 6 and 7. All looking good so far.
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Don't the Garlic Farm also suggest a dressing of Potash at 2oz/sqyd about now?
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I think you're right Tim - I remember using potash last year - and expected to find that on their site rather than the bit I quoted! Will go for potash - still got some leftover from last year, in the hope it will still be effective!
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OK , so nitrogen, sulphur and potash. What would you recommend?
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Ive got 5 inches !! but i am not boasting
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Definitely 8 inches here and 4 inches for the elephant garlic. No added nutrients yet, and yes, I am bragging !
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Mine are just coming through, but they weren't planted till December.
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We have 5 varieties of garlic , onions & shallots in since October, and look to be doing well - see my blog. However, we have been warned about white rot on the plots so wait for disaster :'(. We planted half in pots to make sure we didn't lose the lot.
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How about the nutrients and less of the bragging? Ooh you are naughty! >:(
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Well very soon, I hope to be adding some BF&B, bonfire ash, and in a selected area, coffee grounds, as an experiment.
And I am expecting a bumper harvest !
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Which equates with ?
(nitrogen, sulphur, potash)
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Seriously impressed! ;D
Mine are going in tomorrow as have just moved plots, will give the ground plenty of Soot as it is also going to accomodate the Leeks, and Onions which I generally dress with Soot and they seem to do well, I think it has lots of potash in it.
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(http://i46photobucket.com)
Think i've managed how to post pictures--here's our garlic a couple of weeks ago
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Obviously I haven't managed as yet!!!!!! Will die trying though
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(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f148/deboydoyd/allotmentaug05005.jpg)
might have worked this time---hooorah
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The technical skills are impressive ;)
and the garlic's not daft either. ;D ;D
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:'( :'( :'(
Not a single sprout, not a hint of life. my raised bed which I placed 4 lines is like a grayish desert.
Rommel would love to drive his tanks through it, know what I mean.
the carrot and parsnip bed, lovingly sieved and raked. prepared with thought, was filled with 3 lines spaced out.
inter cropping to keep the bugs away. Nothing! I say Nothing!!
Last week I could have swore it was spring, It was that dry I watered them a little.
There is more chance of discovery Life on Mars than in my Garlic rows.
I say, >:( Don't sit there and read this and laugh, >:( yes you, stop laughing.
It is not funny :'(
still me Broadies and cabbages are flying :P
I want my Garlic TO GROW
I LOVE Garlic, but Garlic it seems has falling out of love with me.
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Sorry Celtic -but the stuff I planted in modules a few weeks ago is up now, mind you I decided to harden it and some broadies up this morning. It's just hailed -must be spring.
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grawc - if the Garlic Farm says Potash, thats what I put on!
deboydoyd - that is all GARLIC?? Not leeks at the back??
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Mine is growing nicely, about 5 inches. Only one broadbean plant come up yet though ???
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Broadies avg 5-6" ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Definately all garlic Tim but its the ones at the back are elephant garlic hence the difference in size--apparently grows about 5 feet tall and bulbs like footballs!!! apparently!!
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SO right - one clove is 1/2 the size of a tesco bulb!!
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I must confess to thinking they were leeks !
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From a botanical point of view they are. But they look very much like big garlic so if you're not a botanist you wouldn't notice the difference.
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SO WRONG!
Almost the size of a really good seed bulb!!
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dont worry celtic growers your not alone on the garlic (not growing ) i put 4 cloves in a big pot in the garden back in december (i forgot about them till today when a mate asked what i had in the tub ) i also planted garlic in modules begining of feb nothing flamimg nothing not even a peek im gutted coz last year it was shop bought garlic my girls planted and it grew big this year i bought seed garlic and zip nothing very very upset
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(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f148/deboydoyd/elephant.jpg)
Perhaps i exagerate slightly but they can be over a pound in weight!!
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I planted mine in December and it's only just coming through. Don't despair!
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My Main Crop are still sitting on the shelf waiting for me to put them in! :-\ BAD DP!! BUT............they few I put in before Christmas are not even showing. :'( (nor are me Broadies)
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good grief deboydoyd, is that what I have to come ... ?
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I have to say it... I cannot believeeee it - the number of posts (5 pages now) on size ;D honestly size doesn't matter... ;D yet... I do admit tho; I will prefer them large when fully grown...
I think it is great how so many of us get excited about how our garlic is getting on. some of the young lads at work think me mad ::)
mat
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Last night we were preparing dinner when I realised I needed to get yoghurt for gdaughter's breakfast. Rushed off to a local smarket and collected bits and bobs. At the checkout charming young Irish chap said "Do you smell garlic?" "Oh it's a lovely smell".
Suddenly realised I had rushed out from chopping garlic and had forgotten to wash my hands.
When I told him he said well you can stand by my checkout any day of the week!
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Just like to report that there is STILL no sign of my garlic coming up. I think it must have failed, since the weather has gone mild which should have gotten them moving.
I guess its too late to try anew?
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I am going to give mine till mid March to show, so no need to panic the friend.
I believe we have another cold snap around the corner.
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I bought two bulbs of Solent Wight from Dobies too late to plant in the autumn and wasn't sure what to do with them after reading these posts about planting garlic before the cold weather.
In the end I thought I would plant one bulb and save the other for planting in March.
I planted one bulb in cells on 28th January and put them in the cold frame with the lid up a bit and they are now sprouting. I will wait till March to plant the other bulb to see what difference there is between the two methods.
I've never grown garlic before so it's interesting to hear what everyone else does.
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According to the Garlic Farm, you can plant Solent Wight up till March. My Albigensian Wight is all up, demonstrating the advantages of heresy, while the Solent Wight is still struggling through, and the elephants have yet to appear across the Alps.
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All my Autumn sown (6 bulbs, 3 different types) are now up - even the ones driven over by the tractor. I have now sown another three bulbs (French purple hardneck) as part of my Spring sowing. On the packet it said I could sew up till May!
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way hay iv got garlic i moved it to on top of the fridge after posting i had no groth and i looked this morning and it sprouted iv got on clove to a pot and quite a few have come up must be warmer there or they realise my kids cant get them lol
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I have some great looking garlic growing out of the net bags I keep last years harvest in. I will plant them out at the end of the week.
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Planted mine about mid December,and now about two inches showing on all plants.
Just recieved garlic from T&M and put that in over the weekend :)
Regards,
Mark.
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Slow steady growth here in Cheshire. Mine is planted in the same bed as the rhubarb, which is sitting in 50/50 soil & rotted horse manure over plastic holey liner to retain moisture. Heaven knows what that will do to the garlic later in the year, or the rhubarb either. & as I was short of space during the path building project, the rasps are at the back of the same teeny bed.
Now the rhubarb, there's a success story - perhaps I should start a how big is your rhubarb thread.
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Seeing as I started this mammoth thread thought I would bring up the century. Looked in on my garlic today, they all still look fine. Stems coming out the ground are about !/2 inch in diameter.
This is my first attempt at trying to grow garlic, cant even remember the variety but it did say extra strong on the packet. The bulbs were bought at a local garden center, said Taylors on the packet (I think).
Will keep informed as to the progress in due course.
DD ;)
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I planted mine back in November I think, and it's only just coming up now. I planted some broad beans at the same time and there's no sign of them so I'm wondering if I might have planted them too deep.. I was guessing at depth!
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Hi sweet-pea, mine also went in November last year, I had shoots appearing within 2 weeks. Cant remember how deep I planted mine but think it would have only been 1- 1.5 inches down. Did feed bed with growmore about 10 days before planting. I'm sure all will catch up in the end now Summer is coming.
DD
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If you planted your beans by normal methods, I think they're highly unlikely to have been too deep.
Everyone seems to be fascinated by garlic here; maybe it's a secret fear of vampires.
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I planted 4 cloves of elephant garlic in November and despite a hard winter with lots of snow and regular temps of -15C I now have 4 green shoots about 3" high. Very excited. Never grown it before. I didn't have room for ordinary garlic too after planting out so many Japanese onions.
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Get another plot Obbelix! Robert maybe it's the fascination with the taste and the health benefits too?
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I haven't seen many other plants gathering this degree of enthusiasm; there certainly has to be something behind it.
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Haven't got an allotment Grawc. Just a veggie patch in the garden and it's big enough for our current needs. I can also buy very good fresh pink garlic in the markets here for silly money when in season so no need to take up space growing masses of my own. I'd rather plant veggies I can't buy here - yellow courgettes, curly kale, Swiss chard etc and those which can be expensive - fancy salad leaves, rocket, fennel.........
I grow the winter Japanese onions as a gap filler between seasons and to have cheap onions for a big fund-raising thing we do every summer at the beginning of August - pavement seafood retsaurant for the local twinning association.
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Today its happy but with a touch of windburn.
(http://static.flickr.com/30/106431222_642d839203.jpg)
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Yes Obbelix how silly of me! I knew you didn't have an allotment: you have le paradis terrestre non?
I can't wait to get to my 2 plots: been under the weather for the last couple of weeks and can't wait to see what's happening. + get some more stuff planted.
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We planted our garlic in early January, and they are all up and doing well. Japanese onions also flourishing, but nothing happening to my shallots. I had them covered in fleece for a while but have taken it off, so I hope the current bout of bad weather doesn't affect them. This is my first go at growing shallots so it will be a learning experience. busy_lizzie
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At risk of being OT BL: me too. I haven't even planted mine yet and it's currently snowing outside!!
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The white garlic (at the back) is finally through :D after nearly four months sat doing nowt, hope it will catch up with the red garlic in front!
(http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/3267/garlic28feb069dl.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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My garlic has shot up again, slow to start but now upto about 8", my broadbeans are about 5".
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Just a reminder - if you still have garlic to plant, put all the piddling little cloves in a patch (pot?) close together to use as wet garlic?
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??? Pardon my higgerence Tim but what's wet garlic ???
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Immature green stuff - really delicate. Like spring onions, only better. Means you can start on it now, if it was so small that it wouldn't have made a worthwhile bulb anyway>
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Although it's too early for white rot to be showing, I have been worried about the yellowing of leaves on the garlic in these photos. So - interfering as usual - I sought the advice of a grower.
His reply - "certainly showing stress - too lush to stand severe frosts".
His commercial stuff, planted at the same time, is like this - much like ours.
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Some time ago I saw pix of a commercial grower covering their garlic beds with a deep duvet of (unshredded, autumn) leaves - it looked like 4-6", presumably to protect the sprouts whilst there's a danger of frost.
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Should you want to see what the whole field looks like -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v164/photo04/glen1.jpg
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There is more chance of discovery Life on Mars than in my Garlic rows.
I say, >:( Don't sit there and read this and laugh, >:( yes you, stop laughing.
It is not funny :'(
Still the same...lol I will give it another 3 weeks due to the current cold spell, then forget it this year.
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Mine's coming slowly but steadily; today I found the elephants lumbering into view, and the odd shallot showing.
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I planted my garlic last autumn in a raised bed, adding sharp sand to improve drainage of my heavy soil. All 5 varieties have grown well, but there is quite a lot of variation in speed of growth depending on variety. My 7 year old wannabe gourmet is already planning pasta with 5 garlic sauce!
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I dug up a couple of bulbs at random, rooting well. but no shoots. replaced and gave them a watering, it has been very dry. Covering the bed with feece as I have put my shallots in today.
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When did you plant them? I dug up one of my garlic today, where I'd managed to plant two cloves together, and wanted to separate them; it had about three inches of shoot and lots of roots going down about the same distance. That was planted in mid-December.
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Mine are very similar to yours in height and root growth now Robert, I planted them in early November and covered them with fleece just before this current cold snap, seems to have done them the world of good...wont be long till the growmore comes out me thinks!
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Just plodding along. They're there and should be OK.
On Friday I received two bulbs for planting now.
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planted mine in late November, the purple wight is speeding on but my elephant garlic is just putting in an appearance.
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Mine are 1/8th inch taller than last week ::)
Is there no end to this post,- boring now :)
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I am pleased to report my garlic have survived the winter and will soon be popping their heads above ground.
As a last resort i had a little carefull dig around in one of the rows and found just beneath the surface shoots where the garlic are supposed to be. So given a bit of moisture (getting a lot of that at the moment) and a bit of warmth and they will soon be up and growing.
I think the problem has been partly the weather over the winter and partly I think due to slightly too deep planting of the bulbs. Its a similar problem i have had with some ornamental spring bulbs planted around the same time.
Given the fact that garlic need cold to produce cloves rather than one big bulb, the cold winter we've had should mean a good crop this year (in the end!).
:) :) :)
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So what happens to the cloves that one puts in now??
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So what happens to the cloves that one puts in now??
Well Tim, I suppose they grow! Seriously they will probably quickly catch up with autumn plantings, but they wont make as good a crop of bulbs since they wont have had a winter to 'stratify' them. Its winter cold that encourages the bulb to split into cloves rather than just one big bulb. Also the longer they have to grow the more time the leaves have to bulk up the bulb. Better bulb = better garlic.
Hope this helps.
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Tim I planted garlic this time last year cos i just had a new lottie and wanted to grow garlic. My lottie neighbours shook their heads and said no way, too late etc but since it was plant or compost i planted.
Excellent crop if a bit small. Still eating them. Good flavour. Occasional brownish or dried out clove.
I'm happy!
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Solent Wight planted now apparently produces the best quality, according to the Garlic Farm. I suspect the bulbs would be a bit smaller though. I think a lot depends on the variety when it comes to late planting.
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Here is a pic of my garlic, don't know what happened to my broad beans but not a single one in sight ::)
(http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/5341/garlic4ct.png) (http://imageshack.us)
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We'll see - watch this space!
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Well mine WERE on their way but the weather has decided to put the boot in yet again and put a stop to the garlic (as well as everything else in the garden!)
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Couldn't see tehm for the snow. :'( :'(
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Sun shone in Cardiff this afternoon 8) Planted my Solent Wight.
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just been up the garden today for a look and the garlic its about 6" high so doing well in newcastle :o
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Bah! Humbug! >:( >:( >:(
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Still g(r)owing strong in S. B'ham ;D
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Same here, the standard garlic is looking very healthy, as is the elephant garlic ...
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Well - this is our back-up position. Solent Wight - planted 1 March.
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Mine have magically jumped out of the soil and onto the path next to them... is this usual as I don't remember this on the planting/growing instructions?
Jon
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I've had several do it this year. Is it because the ground is so frozen solid that the only way is up??
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were looking good yesterday...far too dry though
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Very healthy looking sprouts matty, how do you keep them so green? (envy ;D ;D ;D)
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About 4 inches tall now,and doing well. ;D
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The first couple of shoots are just starting to appear above ground now. With a bit of rain and warmth they should soon be up and away (he hopes ???)
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as a total beginner when what soil and for how long do I leave my garlick,last year I planted about june and dug out later the same year and was disapointed at the size very small what am i doing wrong.
JOJO
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Hello JoJo.....sorry you've been disappointed with your garlic, but if you read this thread back from the beginning you'll see that most of us planted ours Oct-Nov-Dec, tho it's still OK to get some in NOW, ie tomorrow? You didn't give yours long enough to grow, is all...
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These spares were planted 1/3. Waiting to figure where to put them.
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Oh the excitment - I can report progress on this thread! Mine were planted in January and have just broken through the surface! This is the first thing I planted on my plot so really pleased to see them. ;D
Can I ask what to do now. Should I water them? How long will they take before they can be harvested and how will I know they are ready?
Thanks.
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Yesterday I planted 2 rows of garlic - I never plant til about this time of year and have always had a good 'crop'......still have 3 good sized heads of garlic indoors to use (from last year's harvest)......by the time I'd finished planting yesterday, the rain was falling steadily and carried on doing so - so timing was good!
H.P.
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Give them 2oz/sqyd Potash & water in.
Harvest late July/August when 1/3 of the leaves go yellow. Don't overdry them before storeage.
These are the last of last year's.
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We planyed ours in November and they are doing OK. Stems about 6 inches long. Tips of leaves going a bit yellow - is this a deficiency of some sort?
Tim - v stupid question - but what is potash - is it actually ash? just we had a fire in our metal bin/ chimney thing the other day and trying to think of a good home for the ash?
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1. I mentioned earlier that yellowing is usually a sign of stress. Can be caused by being too lush too early in the frosts. Don't worry.
2. Potash - buy it as is. But if you have plant ash, & it's dry, certainly use it. But at a much higher rate.
3. I'm SO clever - all this talk but can't even grow my own Shallots!! This patch as planted up on 18/2 - just LOOK at it!!
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My shallotts were planted in December, and are only just coming through the mulch now, so don't panic. The garlic was planted at the same time, and is now about four inches high.
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I have Solent White but haven't planted it yet. :(
What will be the best way to go, to sow them now in their final position or set them in trays as Tim has done and put them in a unheated greenhouse? Will the lattet bring them on a lot quicker and give them a better start? Your help is much appreciated. :-\
I ordered some fleece and netting last week from Garden Warehouse and don't know when I will receive it so they would have no protection if they go directly into the soil.
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Put them in quick; garlic needs a period of cold weather to make the bulb split.
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In the ground or greenhouse Robert?
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In the ground. Don't worry about the cold, garlic is really hardy. I put Solent Wight in in December, it's come through all the cold weather, and it's thriving. My worry now would be that it might not get cold enough, and the bulbs might not split.
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I do wonder if in the light of the problems i have had with my garlic and the cold winter we've had, I should've started my garlic off in pots/cells and then planted out when they were growing. Even planted out a month - 6 weeks ago they would've had enough cold to develop the bulbs.
Then again hindsight is a wonderfull thing isnt it?
Tim - I wouldnt worry about your shallots - i would say its been too cold for them to do any good planted when you did. Now that it is warmer why not try again? I was planning and early onion planting - but its just been too cold to risk it.
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This is just one person's view -
http://www.actahort.org/members/showpdf?booknrarnr=688_49
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Been over to our allotments earlier Tim, a few people were saying they planted there shallots last November. They are just popping their heads up now. DD
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So are mine. If you're worried, poke about and see if the bulbs are still in there, but don't disturb the roots.
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Thermidrome is looking big and beefy, Marco looks a bit sad but perking up now the weather's improved. Planted shallots (Longor) this morning.
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The garlic that I planted in November is doing well but the tips of the two biggest leaves on each plant have gone yellow-orange. This has happened gradually over the last few weeks. Could it be a result of the very cold weather or something more sinister?
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Greetings!
I keep saying this - under stress?? But they'll live. Hopefully!
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I think once the spring weather is really here they'll bounce back. They want to live for ***** sake!!!! ;)
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1. I mentioned earlier that yellowing is usually a sign of stress. Can be caused by being too lush too early in the frosts. Don't worry.
2. Potash - buy it as is. But if you have plant ash, & it's dry, certainly use it. But at a much higher rate.
Thanks Tim. Sorry - being lazy! did not read through the whole thread! Hope the shallots show some life soon, we only planted ours a couple of weeks ago. Last year we planyed ours in beginning of Feb and they did nothing until spring sprung, so don't give up yet!??
The ash is from burning some branches etc.. of a huge bush we pruned back in the garden, so shold be OK to use. thanks
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Greetings!
I keep saying this - under stress?? But they'll live. Hopefully!
Thanks Tim
Sorry but I didn't read all of the thread before posting.
I suppose that given the general lack of 'action' in the garden at the moment, there is a greater propensity to worry about the 'small' things.
I also found aphids on the buds of my blackcurrants and raspberries today but that's another story .....
I'll start another thread for my stupid question on shallots
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Its not, keep checking, but not with us right yet!!!
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Brilly magic ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Just in passing - this 'cold spell' for garlic - how cold for how long??
Can April do the trick for April (by the book) planted cloves?
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Relief, had a poke about yesterday and they are on their way at last, better late than never!!
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My solent wight, planted March 15th, are showing today. First time at the plot for about 5 days - amazing how the warm/wet weather is suddenly bringing everything on, there was a noticeable difference in my overwintered shallots, garlic and onions. ;D And docks >:( which shouldn't be there at all!
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I have an awful confession to make regarding the garlic planting. :-[ ::) When I planted it out I followed the instructions on the packet and no where did it say split all the cloves and then plant - so what did I do - I planted the whole garlic clove. ;D
This was my first year planting mine and only on Saturday when I was checking up on them and saw all the green shoots popping out all bunched together did it dawn on me that how were they going to grow - Duhh! I checked it up in the vegetable book (which I should have done in the beginning) to check and what did it say - split the cloves! >:(
Oh dear - another senior moment! - so guess what I am doing this week-end - yeah unplanting and splitting the garlic and then replanting it. I just hope that it will surive the transplanting / splitting saga??
Jitterbug
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Poor you! How frustrating!
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I went to check on my (ragged and non-straight) line of garlic at the weekend and poking about I found some had a white mould one them, I'm supposing this is the dreaded 'white rot'. I have the garlic in the same bed as my shallots and onions.... if the garlic is being moidered by this fungus will the other plants get it as well?
If I stick with it long enough the rotation will see garlic etc back in this bed in five years - will the rot still be present??
Many thanks.
Jon
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All alliums will get it. d**n it!!
9 years. And sterilise your tools between jobs.
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Hi Tim, Are leeks also in the allium family?? If it looks like the garlic and onions are heading to a mouldy white death I'd like to use the bed for something else later on, leeks being top choice.
[EDIT] A quick web search turned up the answer - yes leeks are part of the allium family.... looks like they're doomed!
Jon
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Join the club!! I had not bought onions for 40 years till now.
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I think once the spring weather is really here they'll bounce back. They want to live for ***** sake!!!! ;)
Calm down! We dont want that kind of language here thank you.
You are right though a bit of spring warmth is all most plants need to get going. My garlic have positively shot up in the last few days.
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Language GC? What are you imagining ::) ::) :P
They are positively basking in the sunshine today - as was I.
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Language GC? What are you imagining ::) ::) :P
Dont know, but it mustv'e been pretty strong to replace letters with stars for the entire word!
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Changing the subject......??
Looking good so far? Although the Elephant's not too happy.
But not much different (from Nov & Jan plantings) to those planted 1 March - page 8.
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Looks great Tim! ... though I find myself sitting with my head on one side looking at it. ;)
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Is that any better??
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Hey! I wasn't complaining.. just observing! Your garlic looks fine and healthy. Makes me think I should start making hay while the sun shines and get to the lottie.
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With a slight tilt of the head to the other side....much better Tim, thanks ;D ;D ;D
BTW! All my garlic's doing really well, and the Elephant stuff's a dream..really solid 'trunks', like..... 8)
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Oh no! Getting dizzy now. ;D ;D ;D
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Just keep off the hard stuff? Until at least 6pm?
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Growing like mad. The top pic is a rather weedy bed of Solent Wight; the bottom is a row of Albigensian Wight on the right, elephant garlic in the middle, and Eschalotte Grise shallots coming through on the left.
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Robert what lovely garlic!
Tim I did what you said and stayed off the hard stuff till 6pm. Now I'm back on and the dizziness is going. ;)Thank you so much! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I've got two lots in modules, one inside my greenhouse (unheated) and one outside in a coldframe with a broken lid (some protection but not much!) and the latter is doing better than the former, so it must be true that they like the cold. Now I'm wondering at what stage it's best to plant them out on to the allotment. The shoots are 1-2" high at the moment. Also, will they need much hardening off?
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(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a364/Mrsava/garlicrow.jpg)
Mine, purple solent or something along those lines. I find the purple stands up to the white rot much better. Used the last of last years yesterday when making spag bol. Can't beat home grown! ;D
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Is that Purple Wight?
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I went down to the allotment this morning to discover great big footprints all over my garlic bed! >:( There doesn't seem to be too much damage, a few cloves were out of place and exposed but easily earthed back over. Apart from that they are doing well! Planted at the end of Feb and some 3 inches high now.
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That's infuriating, but as long as nothing was taken or damaged, that's the main thing.
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AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHh Purple Wight. Good job someone knows what is going on on my plot! ;D It really does work well on my plot, and I have decided to stick with that from now on.
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But not in the same bed, Emma??
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Oh no Tim, it will be rotated. My 2 plots have a ...ahem...rough rotational plan. This year the garlics and onions are on the down end of plot number 2, next year they will be on the top end of plot number 2, then after that, back onto plot number one.....see, method in my madness!
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Strangely enough i hadnt considered rotation for garlic but i suppose you must do it, being an allium and suseptable to all the things that can go wrong with allliums.
I grew them in one of the proper veg beds last year and found since they were in the ground so long and were growing at a different time to other crops it caused problems positioning other shorter term crops within the rotation. So this 'season' (garlic-wise) I have put them in a special bed next to the greenhouse, seperate from the main veg beds.
I guess with next years crop i shall have to find somewhere else to grow them. If it has to be in the veg beds then so be it but it will cause me more headaches with the crop rotation ( I have enough as it is!).
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H*ly Good G*d alm*ghty! All those garlic photos! I jumped on the band-waggon a little late (in time for the january cold snap) and shoved 8 in for an experiement not realising how my caustic thumb wouldn't kill them off. Planted them out about 6 weeks ago and how they've grown! Doubled in height. Marvelous!
It makes one so proud !
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Before we lose this thread, just a note to say that I think Emma's been lucky with her Purple Wight - I do not believe that white rot discriminates.
Maybe an exciting new strain?
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My garlic is looking OK-it`s in 5inch pots of sieved compost in the larger of the greenhouses-I`ve never tried growing in a pot before but I just got fed up with white rot.
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I went down to the allotment this morning to discover great big footprints all over my garlic bed! There doesn't seem to be too much damage, a few cloves were out of place and exposed but easily earthed back over.
When I had my delivery of manure, the farmer accidentally ran the trailer over part of my neighbour's plot, right up at the edge of the concrete path, where he had planted his garlic (daft place to stick it, he admits happily). About eight garlic plants have carried on quite cheerfully growing in an enormous tyre tread mark. Garlic is quite tough, it appears!
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Oh I will loose half Tim, for certain, but those that make it through seem to store for longer and better than the white ones. Reading what Cleo has written about growing it in 5inch pots, I might give that a go in the greenhouse this winter..... Is it heated Stephan??
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nope EJ-but it will be -not for the garlic but I will soon have to use it for all my babies still in the smaller one.
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Storing? That's a good point.
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Now that I've finally mastered the technique you can hopefully have a look at mine as of 5th April.
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hmmmm...needs a feed of potash, perhaps? ;) ;D
Lovely pic again...(no stopping you now..)
Really sturdy stuff you've got growing. How's your plaiting skill? ;D
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excellent 8)
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hmmmm...needs a feed of potash, perhaps? ;) ;D
Is this wood ash? Or something else? Mine looks similar 8)
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mine too
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Dunno, tho think wood ash was mentioned a while back? Me, I buy a box of J.Arthur Bowers Best....Feb was mentioned as the month to apply but surely that depends on the growth and when they were planted? I did mine last week.
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Yes I suppose wood ash would do the trick. I've put down seaweed meal which I think will act as a general pick-me-up but it hasn't been down long enough to show any improvements.
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Re: White Rot.
Coupls of articles on applying garlic solutions and synthetic garlic oil to beds to reduce teh incidence of white rot (never did hear back from HDRA)
http://westernfarmpress.com/news/3-8-05-foil-allium-white-rot/index.html (http://westernfarmpress.com/news/3-8-05-foil-allium-white-rot/index.html)
http://www.bspp.org.uk/icpp98/5.1/7.html (http://www.bspp.org.uk/icpp98/5.1/7.html)
http://pubs.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/tcjpp/plant24/k02-038.pdf (http://pubs.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/tcjpp/plant24/k02-038.pdf)
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Mine as of today, have given feed today so hopefully will be even better as time goes by.
DD
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/Dirkdigger/garlic150406.jpg)
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What did you feed them please dirkdigger?
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Admired my garlic and elephant garlic today. I never did find out what variety of garlic I ended up buying, the bin just said seed garlic ... Anyway, I have never really seen such healthy looking garlic, and the elephant garlic looks almost tropical ...
PS ... not added any coffee grounds yet ...
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One of the older gents at the allotment said to use tomato feed. Variety I had says high potash feed, also magnesuim and other trace elements which he said could also help.
2 chances in my book, his garlic seems very healthy. Another tip he gave me was to feed my tomatoes with epsom salts, one teaspoon to a gallon of water every other week. Normal tomato feed week between.
DD
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Thanks DD, am growing both toms and garlic for the first time on this new plot so will bite the bullet and investigate tom feed :P Always worth listening to the old boys with healthy crops ain't it, this one sounds a bit mystic but worth trying on half the toms to See what Happens ;D
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With Epsom, you could try 4oz/gall - & more effective as a foliar feed.
And yes, garlic loves potash.