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General => The Shed => Topic started by: Palustris on August 03, 2005, 15:29:48
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Am I the only one who finds the use of this site as a place to post pictures by a certain clique from the BBC site as somewhat annoying? They post pictures, make no or little contribution to the board and then complain because WE are not welcoming!. They then have the gall the whinge because someone asks them to reduce the size of their pictures to a size which us poor narrowband users can view without having to wait half an hour. And they do not like the fact that they have to join this site as if it was some sort of open publicly funded forum!.
Rant over, Have a nice afternoon!
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Who you talking about?
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Got me stumped too, Eric!!! But nothing like a good rant to get the juices flowing!!! ;D Lottie
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Missed it - maybe just as well?
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"make little or no contribution to the site" leaves out all the regular users does it not?
Look on the Beeb site itself!
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Hmm, I consider that I make little contribution to the site, horticulturally anyway, and also post pics, but am not in the Beeb and dont view myself as the target of the criticism. Best aired rather than held inside Eric, but I definitely AM curious !
Talking of posting pics, I must get my subscription off to Dan . . .
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well as i am mainly on the beeb, i would like to say, its often people that are both on ehre and the beeb that recommend this site for posting piccies. so really they are just telling people about this site aswell.
as for resizing i think people tend to forget, i do very often as i am on 1mg broadband so it loads quick, but when i do remeber i do resize, but it can be a bit of a hassle, i think people are just now moving away from dial up and into broadband more and more.
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PS, i think people dont intrigate as much into these boards is that they struggle. on here the rules are much less trict than the beeb. so a lot of chatting goes on in messages. this is pretty forbidden in the beeb so we just ahve the design boards for that, if people dont want to get into the boards as much they stay to the others, if they feel after a while to know people better they come to the design boards at the beeb. I think that people dont want to butt in on peoples conversations etc, (even tho you are a friendly bunch really), and then they all stay away!
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ok, confused now ???
how do you know if someone is from the bbc board or not?
and why would someone just come here to post piccies if they're not involved in one of our conversations?
and why is it that everytime someone does something awful i miss it? :(
i love a good rant and a gossip me, but everyone seems so lovely and cheerful, then when someone's naughty i miss it!
huh, typical ;D
Tara xx
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well as i am mainly on the beeb, i would like to say, its often people that are both on ehre and the beeb that recommend this site for posting piccies. so really they are just telling people about this site aswell.
as for resizing i think people tend to forget, i do very often as i am on 1mg broadband so it loads quick, but when i do remeber i do resize, but it can be a bit of a hassle, i think people are just now moving away from dial up and into broadband more and more.
Ooh - I did that recently when someone was trying to id a plant - sorry Eric, won't do it again, sorry Dan won't spread the word.
PS Hello Adam04
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Re recent postings by Derek, Lottie, Dibber etc. I could see whay these could be viewed as a bit annoying as there was a few posts that seemed to hog a few of the boards and were so reguarly written to, it was difficult to tell whether there were any new postings that were relevant without entering the forum itself - a minor annoyance at worst.
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Calm down, calm down. I'd just like to say as a user of both sites that they are very different animals with a totally different feel to them. We're all addicted to horticulture in our different ways. I suppose we are also addicted to different message boards in different ways!!!
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Now I make no criticism of the BBC board whatsover, despite its lack of a search facility, no picture posting, removing the oldest postings so that questions have to be asked over and over again, no posting of links or useful Web addresses, lack of chat, lack of emoticons and avatars and cliquishness of some people on it, but I just objected to certain people from there regarding and treating this site as some sort of annexe. (Their word not mine).
And Adam there are some of us for whom Broadband is but a distant and probably unobtainable dream. There is no way whatsover that BT are going to upgrade miles of cabling for 4 houses in which there is only one Internet user!
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ERic i must say i do agree with you. There is an annoyance on certain boards of people hogging the board for reasons of there own.tut tut, ::).
Of course not everyone has broadband i am fortunate enough to have it but it hasent always been that way so i can understand what Eric is saying.
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Palustris, you not to kean on some of the people from the beeb then? any in mind? come on... i wont tell! :-X
the beeb has its faults, but they have lots of boards and they cant invest the money or time etc to get new ones, we do want more facilities like this, we keep trying.
as for the cables, didnt realise you lived in the woods kind of thing, yes i understand that then, i do try to remeber to resize just forget from time to time. Apologies.
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Adam, this is what you just said about the BBC site compared to A4A
the beeb has its faults, but they have lots of boards and they cant invest the money or time etc to get new ones, we do want more facilities like this
and this is what you said on the BBC site today:
a4a is just too big, this is a bit more easily guided through. the only other problems i ahve with a4a is that it gets littered with junkk like avatars and posts with just simply smilies on. personnaly i prefer the beeb boards.
So, as I understand it, you want the BBC site to have more facilities like A4A... which is too big!
Tsk tsk, make your mind up, mate!
And was that an emoticon I saw you using just now? ???
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Eric I think I see where you are coming from now having seen a post on the Beeb headed 'OTGF' "Posting on other boards" and I have to say I am amazed that some folk pop in here wipe their feet on the welcome mat and run off to other boards and give the gift horse (A4A) a smack in the face. :-\ ::)
To those people, I say "Do come back the door is always open, use the amenities at your will they are free, if you have a problem with this site put it to the moderator of the A4A.
Oh and if your conscience has been slightly pricked you can always change your name we wont know and will still give you a warm welcome, because we are like that here.
:)
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Well well well. I never post on the beeb, never seen the point. This site has it all! But, just to blacken my nose, I have had a little wander tonite, and what do you know, the same old names crop up over there, asking the same questions....makes you wonder if it is worth answering some when you are only duplicating what is being said on the beeb board.
And I did see what you were on about Eric, I did see a post about chillis mentioning that they would come over here to post their pictures...when they have the time!
Tis a big wide internet world, where the computer user can go post and read wherever and whenever they like, but it does make me wonder if I am frequently wasting my time.......
(And please note, no smilies or personal chit chat)
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hmmm Emma, well i never!!! i use both sites yes, but nvr post the same question on both sites at the same time. and as for the smilies, read below!
eric, i said the beeb needs mroe features like a4a such as searching, piccies etc, a4a has too many child boards. as for the smilies, the thing with that was i ahte the postings with simply ;D and very little else, thats all
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a4a has too many child boards
Surely it only has the one Adam, in the gallery for the photographic competition?
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well ok too many boards!
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You think? And people are always asking for more!
It seems to be perfectly balanced to me, catering for veggie growers and flower growers, people who like to cook, and people who like to brew....etc...
Anyway, I appologise if you feel I was having a 'pop' at you, it really wasn't meant to be personal, I was just unaware that so many members from this site also post 'similar' threads over on the beeb site. As I said, tis a big free wide world where we can all come and go as we please.
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;D
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okly dokly emma, i just think most from the board do get into this board too, surlly there knowledge is worth having on both sites?? i can think of a good handful who have a good number of postngs over here!
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Adam get off the fence, make your mind up boy, i joined here a long time ago and wouldent bother with the BBC boards now, compared to this site they are a waste of time and such miseries to go with it , when lots of us were over there it was fun.
And there is not to many child boards here at all it is only the child that sees them that way. This is a sight like no other so don`t knock it, vote with your keyboard if you do not feel happy here and stay where you are.
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Well said rosebud I wholeheartedly agree ....... Dan if you change your donation
and make it set in stone that it is gonna cost ya £ 10 to post ya pics...............
problem solved and as for smilies Adam ya gotta love em................................
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well very sorry redclanger that you have found my recent post to be annoying , but i thought the shed was for general chit chat and there was no limit on how often you could post , Derek lottie and myself were just having a bit of fun anyone could have join in and replied sorry you find us so annoying , as for the BBC i have no ideal what peeps are on about so will not comment
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Frankly I can't see what all the fuss is about, there seem to be some very heated views going on when there are surely more important things in life to concern ourselves with. As for the criticisms against lottie, dibber, myself and perhaps others, these topics/posts do not have to be read ! They are located correctly in the shed, and serve an acceptable purpose of light hearted banter. Like many others, I enter the forum and scan to pick the posts I want. These posts referred to by myself are all compact so do not present download problems. If people have a problem with these, then I would venture to suggest they either get a life, or seek counselling.
Our Administrator Dan is doing a phenomenally good job, and it must grieve him to see such petty bickering.
Rant over, thank you :)
Derekthefedupfox
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1 Last thing adam you said about too many child boards at 15 you should be
on them !!!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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Derek Dibber Lottie Your banter is very friendly and funny, and it's always heartwarming as you are so clearly having fun and not hurting anyone. You are very cheery and you don't have to apologise for that surely :) This is about allotments - not life and death ;D
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well very sorry redclanger that you have found my recent post to be annoying , but i thought the shed was for general chit chat and there was no limit on how often you could post , Derek lottie and myself were just having a bit of fun anyone could have join in and replied sorry you find us so annoying , as for the BBC i have no ideal what peeps are on about so will not comment
I think you will find I said 'at worst a minor annoyance'. Please don't take offence, the rest of the post was trying to see things from a newbies point of view not knowing precisely what Eric was on about. It is not my intention to make any enemies on here.
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well i am glad we have that sorted , no offence taken as i can see now it was not said in mallice, and you are very weldone to join our banter at any time .
Wardy thanks for the kinds words :) :) :)
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I am sorry if this has degenerated into a sniping type thread, it was not intended to be that. All I originally wanted to say was that I find it annoying that some people who use other boards as their main forum, treat this fantastic site with its free and open and wonderful clientele, as somewhere to post things which their main site will not allow them to. They are very welcome here, as is anyone, but I really would prefer it if they complained about this site here and NOT on another site, especially when they do not make much contribution to this site in terms of asking or answering questions.
You will all notice that apart from giving Adam a reason why large pictures are a problem, I have not mentioned any names, nor will I. If the cap fits wear it, if not then my remarks were not directed at you!.
Oh and no smilies used either!
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what Eric was on about.
AHHH, there's the nub of it...you do, or you don't..
If you DO, then you too will feel that a border has been crossed and it's a mite distasteful..
If you DON'T, then Eric's post and support of it, will just pass you by.
As an addendum: a time ago, before Lotties4, many of us posted on the Beeb site (chatted too, a bit, if I recall, while always coming back to the topic in hand)....it was Stephan who found a way of us x-changing email addys....surely not beyond the combined wit of the current Beeb/Lotties lot to open up a freebie website where they could post pix, etc.?
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Can I come out now.....??? ;) Lottie ;D
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lottie you chicken you have been hiding all day
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Just to clarify, if I may, I think Eric's original post was an objection to the blatant abuse of 'our' Gallery. It would appear that several people from the BBC site have joined our forum for the sole purpose of 'enhancing' their BBC messages. To my mind, that is shamefully taking advantage of Admin Dan's admirable good nature and sense of tolerance.
At the very least, I think these people should offer a subscription for the privilege of using A4All as their photo 'annexe' !! Then hopefully we can all live in harmony on both forums once more! ;D
For those still in the dark......http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-perl/h2/h2.cgi?thread=%3C1123009971-14162.25%40forum2.mh.bbc.co.uk%3E&find=%3C1123009971-14162.25%40forum2.mh.bbc.co.uk%3E&board=gardening.design&sort=Te
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Eric i did not even no there was another allotment website, this is the only one i use as it so friendly and helpful , i don't think you caused bad banter you were just voicing your opinion
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I know you didn't intend for this to happen Eric, but as you can see, there are some members of this site who love it and feel passionately about it, Dan, and the way it is used. The site is free, donations are purely left to the users, so I would be interested to know if posters on the beeb who point people over here to look at their photographs - http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-perl/h2/h2.cgi?thread=%3C1122664644-900.11%40forum0.thdo.bbc.co.uk%3E&find=%3C1122664644-900.11%40forum0.thdo.bbc.co.uk%3E&board=gardening.design&sort=Te - actually make a donation to Dan?
Also, have you followed the swap board of late? Seems we are providing a free seed service to the beeb.http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-perl/h2/h2.cgi?thread=%3C1123150065-5200.1%40forum2.mh.bbc.co.uk%3E&find=%3C1123150065-5200.1%40forum2.mh.bbc.co.uk%3E&board=gardening.plantcare&sort=Te
Beejay, I'm not in the least bit tetchy, I just don't like having the p*ss taken out of me, and you know, that is exactly what I feel like a lot of you are doing.
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hold your horses - i thought only those who have given money to dan can actually upload pictures here??!!
as to seed swap thing - again, noone is pushing anyone to give away seeds for free. and as the name 'swap' suggests, there is usually something given in return.
i have no intention to become involved in whatever disagreement there seems to be here - though i must say i dont quite follow people's arguments regarding the 'probelm'
svea - a4a lover
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Not entirely accurate Svea
Anyone can upload from a third party site - eg Photobucket,
subscribed members can upload directly off their own computer.
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I don't know whether the cap fits or not (ref Eric) but I feel that I should make some comment after Emma Jane has posted a link to a thread I started on the BBC gardening board about my dahlia photos (I am sure that some members of this site watch Gardeners World and are taking part in the Dahlia trial and I thought they might be interested in the photos too). I suddenly feel that I have done something wrong, but am not sure what!
I am new to gardening and joined the BBC boards and then this site towards the end of last year. I have never had any problems with anyone on either site. I have never had anything but praise for this site. I have never treated anyone with disrespect.
Since that time I have really enjoyed being a member of the gardening online community. One of the best things I enjoy is a natter, not necessarily on topic, and posting photos of my garden, flowers, gardens visited etc. I also love to view other people's photos. I have entered the photo competition on this site in previous months. I do not have an allotment, so do not contribute on topic on many of the boards here, but I do take an interest in this site.
I fail to see how sharing my photos here is not contributing to this site. I thought that was what The Gallery was for, but perhaps I am wrong. I am happy for anyone to see my photos, including people who read the Beeb site. I just do not see this as a 'them and us' matter and have never thought of myself as abusing this site. People have always been kind about my photos (as in fact most people are about all the photos shared here - it makes this one of the best gardening sites possible). I use Photobucket to upload my photos and have taken time to explain to others how to do this so they can share their photos, which I think is for the good of the community!
If anyone is in the slightest bit offended that I post photos on this site, please tell me and I will stop immediately. I am surprised that I am the type of the person who is unwelcome on this site, but if that is the case then so be it. As far as I am aware there are a number of people who are members of both sites - is this a crime? Suddenly it feels that not all ARE welcome on this site. I think that is a shame.
I feel that this issue has been blown out of all proportion. I would not have posted on this thread if Emma Jane had not directly posted a link with my name on it. But I feel that I have the right to explain my point of view. Surely this site needs members who make whatever contribution they can, even if that contribution is just posting the odd photo.
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Oh dear, this thing is getting a bit out of hand isn't it? I did try to be a bit "calming" with a post early on & wasn't going to say any more as it was getting to be a bit them & us. However as I have been mentioned specifically I thought I had better say something. Hope I.m not misinterpreted! EJ all I wanted to do was to inform the beeb posters what they had started, I think I called it "a bit of tetchiness" which I thought at the time was a fairly light-hearted way of doing it The whole thing seems to have developed into a "them & us" which is totally bonkers as far as I am concerned.
As I have said already, I frequent both boards & enjoy them both in very different ways. They are 2 communities but some of us like to live a bit in both. I hope I make a useful contribution to both - perhaps not. I have never posted the same question on both sites, but why not - I look at more than 1 gardening book or recipe book because they may give me different information. I came here as a result of recommendations on the beeb. Even if I had come to post pics (can't as I'm rubbish with technology), surely its just one way of finding out about it & then people get more involved & make more of a contribution. (I believe the use of the word annexe is light-hearted)
The issue of financial contributions to the site was, to me anyway, not initially very clear. It is only after spending time gradually getting to different areas of the board that it gradually dawns! I don't think I am alone in that. I did suggest in some thread recently that some mention could be made of this when people sign up to the site.
The beeb site does have its disadvantages & I think it is inevitable that it gets alot of first time posters asking the same questions. I still like it & hope I can help them & others. I hope I can continue to do the same here.
(I'm going to quickly post this without reading it - I hope I have got across what I wanted to say!)
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surly isnt it better to have these people on both boards? myself included? after all their gardening knowledge is second to non, plocket with her clems etc. so why restrict their knowledge to one board?the complaint on the beeb was that people on this side were unfriendly and you follow it up with a ppost like this...i said you were a good bunch, but sometimes i wonder.
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How dare you say such a thing.
I'll have you know my gardening knowledge is second to everyone's.
Hrrmph!
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How dare you say such a thing.
I'll have you know my gardening knowledge is second to everyone's.
Hrrmph!
he he
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I'm sure Dan is well aware of the concept of advertising and the many many free mentions his site receives on the beeb. If you don't know about advertising then ponder why for example , are supermarkets are allowed to mention rival supermarkets in their adverts? Even negative advertising creates an interest. Each and every mention has the possibility of a new revenue.
All the other arguments fall foul and only Erics initial grievance of people posting photos and then not contributing more stands with any credence. Be that questions, answers, whatever.The rest has the feeling of a witch hunt. Absolutely disgusting.
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I really think it is time we brought closure to these postings we ARE a very happy group of folks on here if left alone so how about closure.!!!!.
8) 8) 8) ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ::) ::) ::) :P :P :P ;) ;) ;) :) :) :).
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I am happy ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D. I will continue to use this board with a passion and to keep an eye on the BBC with the occasional contribution. I mean to carry on as before. Peace and love to everyone :) :-* ;)
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I see nothing wrong with using more than one website to ask the same questions or talk about same subjects. Afterall if you want to find out about something you wouldn't read only one book would you?
Yes Redclanger lets all promote peace and love each other (neil from the young ones springs to mind hee hee). ;D
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I see nothing wrong with using more than one website to ask the same questions or talk about same subjects. Afterall if you want to find out about something you wouldn't read only one book would you?
Spot on.
How about a nice verse of Kumbaya and some toasted marshmallows all round? :P
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So love, peas, kumbaya and marshmallows it is then ;D
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quick, Derek, get your guitar!
it's time for a sing song! ;D
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Crikey, have you lot all been taking drugs or drinking or something! Here was I thinking what a luverly friendly site this was and then I find that world war 3 breaks out! Calm down guys - life is way way way to short.
Strange how all sorts of connotations and interpretations happen when you can't hear the tone of voice or see the tongue firmly in cheek. The failings of just words!! :-\
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Yes, but as you can quite clearly see, the storm has passed, no need to bring it back.
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Yes i agree with YP, we can leave our once a year storm to follow the clouds.
The sun is out now. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D.
CHEERS EVERYBODY, 8)
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Just like marraige I spose. Great nearly all the time but the odd tiff makes it all the stronger ;D....or is that just me!
Didn't mean to be contentious and very happy everyones happy. Not all sun for ever more though I hope - my lottie has recovered nicely from weeks with no rain! :D
Luv ya all {A4a people}
Iain