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Produce => Non Edible Plants => Topic started by: philcooper on May 06, 2005, 22:20:40
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I've just watch the current BBC golden boy of gardening spend an hour planting out beeding plants - some admitted by himself not even hardenned off
I think he did say something like "if there's cold weather you need to take precautions"
Seriously, knowing how many slavishly follow his lead, the man is totally irresponsible at this time of year! >:(
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I just found it incredible that he was planting out all those plants so early, the poor people that waste their money because they plant out too early, I feel really sorry for them. It is bad enough that the garden centres stock the stuff so early without him encouraging it!
I was really impressed with a local nursery who said to a customer it was too early for bedding plants last week!
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Hmmmm....ive just been watching Monty too and was thinking exactly the same thing.
Every year i see people in garden centres buying bedding plants far too early and if you listen in their to conversations (as i tend to do ;)) ...they are chatting about popping the plants into the garden that afternoon ,when its the middle of april or whatever.
Garden centres should really have more warning signs warning their customers that these plants need protecting for a good while yet.
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I rarely watch GW now as I find there's not enough information about things I don't know - and too much incorrect information about things I do know (the bedding plant issue being a case in point), research is sloppy and many subjects are simply skimmed over. Increasingly I get the impression that Monty Don would rather be somewhere else and is longing for parole from GW.
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I thought the main content of the bedding plant thing was to show what's available and new this year. Give viewers credit for some intelligence please
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Wardy,
Some will spot the poblem, but there'll be many more who don't! >:(
Phil
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You'd never have caught Alan doing that...
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But isn't Monty an atractive presenter?
How about this?
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I'd like to see 17 years of re-runs of Geoff Hamilton.
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Clay they ate doing re runs of Geoff on uk Style gardening. Its so relaxing to watch, I'd forgottenjust how enjoyable he made gardening.
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I'd like to see 17 years of re-runs of Geoff Hamilton.
I know what you mean - right with you there
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Val, Diana,
I had no idea :o
Thanks ;D
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But isn't Monty an atractive presenter?
I'm getting worried about you Tim ;)
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I don't think Monty is attractive, well not with all the gear he wears. If he's pricking out in the greenhouse he'll have all the gear on and his kneepads, ugh ;D
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If we are to continue to talk about the attractiveness (or otherwise) of Monty Don I'm going to complain to Dan - see waht you started, Tim!! ;)
Phil
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Ooh sorry Phil. Won't mention him again ;D
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Hi, I'm afraid I have to agree. Poor old Monty leaves allot to be desired ::) I do think the program has gone down hill. I did think to start with it would be a breath of fresh air, not so! ! :-\ Green is good, but I think they have lost it somewhere along the line. :(
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down hill?
down hill?
its right at the bottom and digging itself deeper..with a £500 stainless steel spade too!
i have never -in all my born days-seen so much MONEY spent-
just put up an alpine house!
just buy a stone trough!
just...
the best part was sarah ravens outlining all the hanging baskets then saying-i'm using the cheapest,it'll all get covered in plants anyway-sensible woman!
'o look' joe swift said-'we have a lot of these!'(to plant in the herbaceous border)
of course you do you DOLT!you bought loads of the dam things at vast expense!
monty don-attractive?
n a scale of 1-10..er..1?????
i am fascinated by his barnet tho- changes colour as often as blairs hair...
and where are his eyebrows?
anyway-geoff hamilton was the best presenter...
garneners question time has turned into a 'look at me arent i funny!' vehicle..john cushnie thinks he is such a wag!shame he knows s*d all about veg......
rant over...
kitty
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Kitty you have voiced by feelings exactly! used to so look forward to GW, but it is not the same now. Sarah was a breath of fresh air on Friday with her down to earth tips (sorry) - most people can't afford all the fancy things they seem to do these days.
Why do men dye their hair?
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HAHAHAHAHAHA! Phew, glad I wasn't alone. As I watched him merrily planting away, I said to Ava, 'Monty isn't expecting any more frosts then' and then he went on to tell us to keep an eye on the weather! Of course it depends where in the country you are, and how sheltered you are. I have had tender stuff out now for a couple of weeks and all is well, so long as we don't get snow!!
I have always though GW has more money than sense. Guess they are trying to put our licence money to good use. I mean, 2 tree ferns!!!!!
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well..he wont be expecting anymore frosts will he?i expect they bought a giant glass carapace like the eden project to go over the top of his rolling acres......
i should think they will have rows of poor people standing alongside blowing hot air in to warm the plants!
just the c/d's you understand-social group b will be the undergardeners.....
or is monty producing enough himself?
i laughed when his cineraria wilted-what did he expect the loon?'of course i havent hardened this off..'really?
what???????
you live in that southern part of britain called jamaica then do you ::)
cor-call themselves garrrrrrdeners? >:( ::) >:(
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go Kitty go!!!! ;D
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Every week I look forward to watching a decent gardening programme on tv, not just one of these makeover programmes, something about real gardening. And then friday night arrives and i'm still looking for one...
It's awful. They don't go into enough detail about anything. Go vaguely over the basics. We want more! And I'm sick and tired of those awful links that have been written into the script. it's like it's for novices. With lots of money.
And Monty annoys me too.
A whole hour of bedding? How dull. I hope they are doing an hour of veg soon!
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Aqui, I totally agree with your post. I have been looking on TV gardening on the Beeb too and posts there are saying the same thing. Somehow the programme seems empty, I look forward to it so much as I always have done but these days feel let down afterwards.
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I planted my Asparagus bed the same time as Monty last year and was quite looking forward to comparing it with my own as it developed over time. Have we seen it since... No. Is it still there, we dont know, what about his other veg? The BBC must listen to what the viewers want and give us more information.
Regards
Chriszog
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I wish they would do a veg only show! They did the one on just allotments last year I think it was, I enjoyed it, but like to see something similar for a few months!
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maybe we ought to start an email campaign-we want a decent gardening programme!
can anyone remember muck and majic?
and 'dig' they were on years ago-but they were both interesting and informative....these days they are only interested in 'quick fix and reality shows-whats the betting theres a series of'in my garden all my clothes fell off-featuring jordan,britney,tarta palnmertompkinson and samantha fox' ::) ::)
i'm with you on that one too aqui-'and now over to carol klein whos been doing something interesting with £3,000 and an army of undergardeners'
later we'll be seeing how joe swift is getting on with his life size version of versaille and telling you how you can make a simple water feature with a JCB,14 labourers and £2,000 in a weekend-now i'm off to see how my orchids are doing outside my study window-by the way-do remembner to fleece your orchids tonight its due to be 20 degrees below in the south and..er...something else furthur ..you know-up there...where the northern people live..anyway-i'm off now to count my money from my endorsement!' ::) >:( ;D
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
thanks - I needed a good laugh Kitty...
(colleagues looking at me strangly... like that's anything new!)
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Maybe we should lay off the poor chap? ::)
NAH!!! ;D
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i'm sure he casn take it diana! ;)
or he'll have a minion who can! ;D ;D ;D
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Kitty, perhaps we shouldn't complain too much - after all, in the vast expanding desert of reality TV shows, Gardener's World provides a rare oasis... ;D ;D ;D
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LOL ;D ;D
Good one A - ever thought of stand-up?
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
(colleagues looking at me strangly... like that's anything new!)
Does that mean that they are thinking of strangling you Aqui?? ;)
Seriously, on the quality of TV gardening, I have been to the Gardeners World pages on the BBC website and (after spending a long time working out how to do it)pointed them to this discussion
If more people did that who knows?
If you go to the very bottom of http://www.bbc.co.uk/gardening/feedback/ there's a form to express your feelings
Phil
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'Fork to fork' was brilliant.
P'r'aps thats why he was invited to GW when AT got kicked out.
I wonder how much the producers are ruining the programme?
Why am I so reluctant to blame Monty for this mess?
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;D Absolutely agree :) Geoff Hamilton was the best :) :) :) I remember Muck & Magic (still got some fact sheets somewhere from that program!!) :) What I would like to see is an every day type program that doesn't mean you have to have bottomless pockets!!! ;D ;D
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;D Forgot to say ::) the BBC gardening message board is not very good in allot of ways. Very clunky & basic, Still no picture posting facility ::) but I still go there as you never know ??? but I do feel A4A is about tops ;D ;D ;D ;D
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'Fork to fork' was brilliant.
P'r'aps thats why he was invited to GW when AT got kicked out.
I wonder how much the producers are ruining the programme?
Why am I so reluctant to blame Monty for this mess?
I also watched the programme fork to fork and had high hopes of monty when he joined GW personally i don't see why they cant split the programme 50/50 with veg and flowers but that would be common sense ( not something the beeb have in abundance :-\) lets hope someone from there takes note of things that get said
Ann-Marie
P.s clayhithe you are probably right it may well be the peeps running stuff making a poor monty look like a money mad gardener for all we know he might be just as pished off as we are ;)
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GW is going the way of most programmes these day - dumming down :( You could always switch over and watch Celebrity Love Island
If the state of the nation is determined by our telly viewing we are in deep doo do
I used to watch Ask the Family with Robert Robinson. Has anyone seen the new offering. I could NOT BELIEVE IT!!! Is it just me? :(
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No it's not just you Wardy.
We've not got telly at the mo (house we moved to has no aerial, or reception with aerial + not got satalite yet) + I'm seriously considering not bothering to get - nowt on to watch anyway!
Fork to Fork was good - shame how it's all gone really.
Never mind - just think, if you're not sat indoors on Friday night waiting for GW that means at least an extra hour in the garden/lottie!!! ;D
Can't be all bad - maybe that's their ploy!
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I do like Mony Don but I too am disappointed with whoever directs Gardeners World. It really fails to hit the mark. Every week we watch in vain for at least a little share of the programme going to growing vegetables, but very little materialises. You would have thought in an hour long programme you could squeeze some in.
Agree also that they spend an absolute fortune on stuff. Totally unrealistic for a normal gardener. They also still seem very stiff and over rehearsed with their lines to each other, so there is not even a pretense of natural conversation. However, it is all we have got for the moment, so have to be thankful for small mercies. :) busy_lizzie
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;Dwardy-oh said before it staed theres a new series of ask the family-i'll switch it on-i leapt from my chair and spun the remote from his hand knocking him into the fireplace and causing our entire house to burn down and oh to file for divorce.
well...anythings better than watching that dross-!!
seriously tho-i'd watched a clip the week before and i could NOT believe it...so i said-i wouldnt bother its rubbish-i dont think i could've stood the MOANING that would have ensued for the entire week if he had watched it......
and when i say the celebrity love island trailers i said to the assembled crowd-'if ever-i mean EVER -that programme is on when i am in the room or i am forced to watch even the opening credits i will pluck both my eyes out with a warm spoon'
dumbing down?
dumbing down???????
its got so dumb its never going to recover..... ??? >:(
wheres me spade......
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thart's what the off switch is for. i really wonder whether anyone ever really watches that stuff or whether it's just another voice in the room.
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If that's what the off-switch is for, then what is the licence fee for?
Now, if Celebrity Love Island is dumb TV starring dumb Zzzzzz-listers doing dumb stuff, I can refuse to watch it and boycott the dumb products advertised by it's dumb sponsors.
BUT...
If Gardener's World is badly directed, badly produced, badly scripted, badly acted, with bad camera work showing bad presenters giving bad advice, then it's MY licence fee being misused. Simply switching off is not a good enough answer.
I have watched my money being spent on things for a show garden that I could only dream of buying for my own garden. But worse than this, the other week I watched as my money was wasted on plants which, due to the presenter's sheer incompetence, died almost immediately.
And if Gardener's World is all we've got, then the BBC should call it a day and cut MY losses.
There. Rant over. >:(
(with sincere apologies to Robert, who got caught in the crossfire here!)
Kitty - I might be your long-lost twin! ;)
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You don't half sound a lot alike!!! ;)
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I dunno why they don't have a sensible gardening programme anyway; these instant makeover programmes must lead to a lot of disappointment when people discover that it isn't really that easy!
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rather have titchmarsh anyday, monty is a messy worker, would have no place in my greenhouse, i love to see people work with a complete passion, monty lacks this i feel. Why dont we all write into the beeb and ask for a program dedicated purely to veggie growing instead of 5 mins every friday, it would be great to get more people involved and get more children interested in to planting, growing, harvesting their own healthy veggies.
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you never see me and amazin in the same room do you? ;D
couldn't have put it better meself... ;D
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It would appear that there are a fair few of us who have problems with GW (be it the dishy Mr Don or the nasty director who stops his doing his veggy thing :D)
But how many have complained to the BBC as I don't think they are on this board??
Phil
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We'll have to content ourselves with the BBC's allotment coverage on the Jeremy Vine show where they are in weekly contact with Terry in Wales on his allotment. Jeremy went to visit him there recently. I always listen to him and it's live so you can hear him marching up and down the plot getting out of breath. It's really good :)
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Thank goodness it's not just me. I can't stand the man, his semi-religious style of presenting is not my style at all, and when he describes a way of doing something, I get the feeling that if I dare to do it differently, then the Monty Don police will be round to give you a stern talking to, and all the plants will die anyway - a bit like what Delia is to cooking, but at least her recipes work!
There doesn't seem to be any joy or humour in the programme anymore the way there was when AT was presenting it, or the great practical ideas that GH used to come up with like making compost bins from old pallets - just throw shed loads of money at the garden. How on earth can you make a formal garden with that tatty rustic fencing as a backing? and how many people can get a JCB into their garden to dig a pond big enough to sail a small boat on - get real!
I can't stand Sarah Raven either, she's in the same mould as Monty Don, and her article on tulips last week made me really annoyed, so much wrong information and generalising about a large and diverse group of bulbs.
I think the problem is that these presenters are just that, they're not time served gardeners.
It does no good complaing on the BBC boards, if the content of your post doesn't fit they just remove it. No freedom of speech allowed unless it's praise.
I've complained but it doesn't get you anywhere, as it's a populist programme and not a real gardeners programme anymore.
Rant over - for now :)
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Oh dear.
That jokey, matey banter between Monty and Joe in last week's episode was just utterly embarrassing. Stick to the gardening boys and leave the light entertainment presenting to someone else.
Seriously the producers should be fired.
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I have stopped watching it altogether now.
Lower viewing figures are probably the only thing that will make the BBC take notice - but they'll replace it with another "ground force" type show...
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those viewing figure stats are complete and utter cow muck anyway!
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It just shows how good AT was. I really liked his presenting style and his obvious love of his subject was infectious. I'm talking about him as if he was dead. Praps he'll turn up on Celebrity Love Island ;D
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right-now you've done it wardy-at on celebrity luuuuurve island?.......
aaaaargh!i shall be waking up in the wee small hours with the screamin heebyjeebys...
good gardener and all round affable chap maybe-sex thimble?dont think so... :o
last week was the first week i havent watched gw for .well-just about forever...didnt miss it one jot-my blood pressure was A-ok tho! ;D
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Don't know about Celebrity Love Island - is it as bad as it sounds?
This week you can always watch Big Brother instead ;D
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o nooooooooooo!
*kthud*
sound of kitty falling backwards in a dead faint.....
not big brother AGAIN!!!!!!
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Twin! Twin! WAKE UP, KITTY!!
Did I mention I'm actually going to Gardener's World Live this year?
I'm going on press/preview day when they'll all be there filming the 'Special', so...
As a public service - nay a DUTY, I shall be more than willing to put your complaints, heckles, buckets of Kilroy; etc. to any and all of the culprits involved in the making of the show.
;D
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whu?.....
did someone call me?.......
aargh!
TAKE ME WITH YOU TWIN!!!
we can be the tweedledee and dum...*ahem!*.....of the allotment world...
while you're there you can indeed say-kitty of lincolnshire thinks that a bit of gardening wouldn't go a miss on gardeners world...and while they are at it if they would put in the producers notes that not EVERYONE is as rich as croesus,so if they would kindly stop spending an average of £500 per programme,we'd be ever so grateful.
o and cut the matey banter-you,monty don are not my chum,never have been ,never will be.....
*pant*
*pant*
kitty flops back in her wheelbarrow exhausted.....
finished now..... ;D
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Did I mention I'm actually going to Gardener's World Live this year?
See you under the clock
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Kitty, can I please add my name to your complaint too, tell 'em that Dawn from Cornwall agrees totally with you.
Can you please add, if they are going to talk about bulbs, please get the information from someone who knows what they are talking about .
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John - When you say 'see you under the clock' at GW Live, do you mean a large and practical timepiece...
...or is it a huge elaborate structure with intricate wrought iron decoration and handpainted face featuring scenes from a Victorian country manor garden and carrying a 50 grand price tag, which will soon appear at Berryfields?
Deeds - your comments have been added to the list.
Anyone else?
;D
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Amazin - I love that description of the clock, made me laugh so hard I scared the cat.
Hope Sarah Raven has a stand there for you to check out, her one at Chelsea last year, was typical of her style of dress. It looked like a dogs breakfast - full of expensive tat.
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Another thought, didn't Alan Titchmarsh own the garden that was featured when he presented the show??
Could it be that he then cared about the plants doing well? being planted in season and actually getting the right info so his garden which is a reflection of his skills looked good?
Oh and he and all of his family had to live with the results? on a day to day basis.
Berryfields and GW in my view is nothing more than a showcase for whatever the garden giants want to make the most profit on.
Oh and another thought, with budgets tight bet all those plants are free samples!
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I bet monty never even stuck a fork into his perfect little vegetable plot, his little worker ant students done it for him. Ive got to watch it tonight though, just for the crack!!!
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o go on then ::)
i suppose i can watch it just this once...
i can have fun ripping into it later!
i warn you tho-if they spend more than my house value on 3 plants you will be hearing me scream wherever you are.....
i could always stick a fork into his.....perfect little vegetable plot-that'll wake him up!
kitty
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Hee hee! Look what I found
http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/make_complaint.shtml
Go on, you know you want to ;D
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o deeds! :-* :-* :-*
and i did!
wheres me twin!
AMAZIN!!!!!!look what deeds found!!!
ace!
and in the first section-what category of programme would you like to complain about...they missed out theselection'S***e programme'
ooooo-i had me some fun theeer! ;D
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well by the time they brought all those gadgets for the tomatos they may as well just by them from the shops, that must have cost at least a tenner a plant, ive got four bloody kids to feed!!!! I get the big black pots for free from a freindy guy at somerfield, they have stacks of them they chuck out from the cut flowers they display them in, I get a hot knive and cut a massive circle in the bottom and grow my toms in them, if you need to weed then you dont damage the stems.
i swear this program aims at idiots from the city with to much money and weekend places.
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still couldnt bring myself to watch it.....more money than sense they have!
i use those as well gunnerbee...cept iget them from a local friendly florist-far cheaper and bigger than the plastic plantpots-think what we save! ;D
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I like gadgets as much as the next person but why waste money on those? I tried watching it but it was boring and that red haired woman really grates on me. She looks so out of place - especially with that flourescent pink jumper - what was she thinking? :o
Just been on the beeb website and some person is asking about the copper rings that they saw on GW fed up with slugs eating their hostas.
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Like most on here I to hate the programme the presenters do not have a clue what they are talking about half the time, If they are intrested in having a jungle then there is a vacant plot by mind ready made for them, never seen so much rubbish in all my life , GET SOME PROPER GARDENERS ON.
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I wonder if part of the problem is that GW is probably trying to aim at the casual vaguely interested type of gardener. The one who likes looking at pretty plants and gardens and is interested to see a bit of propagation because one day they may aspire to having a go themselves. That is why it is usually just a half hour programme. I think it probably serves a use in that market. The problem is more a lack of decent programming for serious gardeners who want to actually LEARN something and have a bit more depth and to be fair on peak time on BBC Friday night that is not going to happen! I have only really watched GW for last 3 or 4 years and even then not religiously and despite the very poor presentation since AT left (why does that Sarah woman always wear a very unflattering skirt to garden in?! ???) , I personally don't see much difference in the content. Always been a bit too bitty for me.
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What about that stupid woman planting tomatoes in the 'Jungle garden'?
Don't either of those women own a comb? It amazes me how anybody with sense of colour can wear that pink sweater with that awful dyed hair - Ok mine is dyed too, but that colour is sooooo 80's!
Ops thats the pregnant dog streak coming out ;D
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Dear oh dear, a little hormonal are we? :-*
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Well, ill tell you this now, i gave up a poxy cleaning job i had 2 years back, They brought the local manor house as massive weekend home as they lived in London too, they left it empty for months on end. Do you know what their hobby was??? Having friends around for lunch and getting them to help lift potatoes from the garden, She said " my friends were amazed, they have never seen where potatoes come from before, they kept digging and they were totally facinated with all the potatoes that came from the ground". Needless to say they had a very useless full time gardener, who used to spend half his time reading the sport, and totally overpaid him for his tasks!!!! Well me, i just left the job, Complete pathetic imbasiles of people who have never lived in my opinion. Sorry if i offend but its prats like that that are killing our local shops,pubs and local businesses, and destoying allotments to build houses to bring more of the twats in. Sorry again for anyone who is affended. Sarah.
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P.s "Thingys" were not in the original script !!!!
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Amazin,
You could ask
1. What happened to the bedding plants they showed in the May 6 programme
2. Why some many gardeners on this and many other lists think that the programme is increasing irrelevant (and includes bad advice) - I note that this subject seems to have generated more responses than any other for many a long time!)
3. Why there is no practical advice on how to garden on a low budget (except the annual - see how many plants you can get for £x's worth of seed).
4. Why they quite often get simple facts wrong - slugs are not detered by bran placed around a plant, they eat it and die of dehydration; so place it in small piles, preferably covered to prevent it becoming wetted by rain.
Any more questions for Amazin?
Phil - rather chuffed that I started this thread ;D
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'Dear oh dear, a little hormonal are we? '
Merry Tiller - no I am not, and I take exception to that comment.
I just object to the rubbish being spouted by so called 'experts' who know little about what they are doing, make shed loads of money (have you seen what Sarah Raven charges?) on the back of a programme that my hard earned money is wasted on.
At least they could spend a little of the money they make on looking presentable, even if they can't be bothered to get their facts right.
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what ever happened to Bob flowerdue??
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.....I get the big black pots for free from a freindy guy at somerfield, they have stacks of them they chuck out from the cut flowers they display them in, I get a hot knive and cut a massive circle in the bottom and grow my toms in them, if you need to weed then you dont damage the stems........
GB,
One thing they did get right was that toms have feeding and drinking roots. If you use the bucket with holes (or better no bottom) in full of compost on gravel, the garden or the greenhouse border then put the feed in the pot and water around it.
The use of a grow bag as "a reservoir for the water" is a total waste of resources - and money. Bring back Geoff Hamilton with his money saving ideas!!
Phil
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yep, just what my dad taught me to do.
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.......you might actually learn something about gardening.....
But not much from GW, except when they get a real expert on like the woman on tomatoes - but not if interviewed by MD when most of the talk is from him - no matter how knowledgable the expert is!!!
The real advice thin and far between - to have to watch an hour of the programme to hear the idea on planting 2 crops of bush tomatoes because they crop all at once is a poor return. Place a specific question here and gets loads of good advice (and an email to tell you your question has been answered!!)
Phil
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Hello everyone,
I watched GW last night and I actually thought It was pretty good.
I do wish that some of the female A4A contributors would stop making bitty comments about the female GW presenters.If It were blokes that were coming out with remarks like that,you would,quite rightly,accuse us of being sexist pigs.
I just think that you are being slightly hypocritical.If the women dress glamourously,you will only accuse them of being posers-or something a bit more derogatory.When they dress practically,you make cheap comments about their appearance.
If you spent a bit less time studying the presenter's clothes and make-up etc,you might actually learn something about gardening.
Live and let live.
All The Best-Marky. ;D ;D ;D
Ok so now I have been accused of being 'hormonal' and 'hypocritical'. Why just because I suggest that the presenters bother to take a little pride in their appearance?
How are my comments wrong in your opinion, when you and other male (I assume) posters can make deratory remarks about other (female) posters comments on these boards? Is that double standards or what?
I doubt that I could learn very much about gardening from this particular programme, except as philcooper says unless they get a real expert on! Some of us are professional time served gardeners, and others have many years of experience. I know where I would rather get any gardening tips and advice that I need and it's not from Gardeners World.
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Good appearance is about 10% of the story if that, or should be! It's easy to take a pride in that; why can't they take a pride in the quality of the advice on offer as well, and have a programme with substance as well as the superficials?
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::) I suppose you could say the same about the blonde in Groundforce tatty hair dirty finger nails no bra :o and who knows what else :o plus all that microlite or is it cellulite? ;D But so what if that’s the way they are then that’s what you get, they are gardeners for gawd sake not fashion models.
Quick where’s the door where’s the flipping door. ;D
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what ever happened to Bob flowerdue??
i seem to remember bob flowerdew being dropped from GW after he admitted that he urinated on his compost heap after drinking too much homebrewed cider ;D ;D
he's still on GQT radio4 most sundays.
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Hi all ;D Did anyone actually learn anything new about encouraging beneficial wildlife into our gardens? I was hoping to learn more about "good" beasties -ladybirds and lacewings etc, what kind of nestboxes to put up, what we should be feeding the birds etc. I must have blinked and missed all that! >:( I think I was put into some kind of trance by all the shots of Monty and Bill Oddie walking round the garden, talking about wildlife, but yet I couldn't hear it because of "romantic gardening" music. ???
Roy, never mind looking to see if a presenter is wearing a bra or not. Saw an article in Garden News re a woman who had been on a diet and lost so much weight her bras were far to big for her, so she used them to support melons growing in her greenhouse. So now you know what Charlie Dimmock is using hers for. 8)
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hey merry tiller!!!
I AM ACTUALLY HORMONAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
my oh says the 'P' in PMT stands for PERMANENT so watch it ;)
actually i have just passed the menopause-do i get a certificate?
or at the very least a pennant for me bike. ;D.......hormonal or otherwise i think just abouteveryone is on the same track with their comments heer-and i think people should be incensed that our license fee is being sqaundered on c**p like celebrity(who ARE these people??)luuuuurve island and a gw that caters for people who would rather spend a fortune on a mature plant than wait to see it grow..and presenters that wouldnt know a money saving idea if it bit them on the a**e.
and PER-LEASE-dont tell me theres an off button...so there is-but i would like the option of watching well produced thought provoking programmes of interest...nota constant diet of celebrityism......
mutter mutter......
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At one point we were watching so little TV that we threw it away (literally).
The licencing people hounded us and threatened us with prosecution for not paying the licence fee. Their computer doesn't accept that people have no telly! They wouldn't believe it!!
We gave up, bought a small one and paid the fee again.
If the gardening programmes don't improve we may try again.
You're right: I get far more info here than I get from TV.
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What's wrong with weeing on your compost heap anyway? I'd have thought it was the sort of thing that should be encouraged, since it's an excellent way of recycling nutrient. I put mine in the liquid manure barrel, and I don't care who knows it.
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don't understand the big problem people have with wee anyway. It is a sterile product that lots of women drink to make their skin nice. (Have to say have a bit of a problem getting my head round that though). I was caught short at lottie the other day and only thing in shed that I could wee in was the cup on my flask...... needless to say the floor of my shed has had nice dose of compost activator. :-[
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Wow :o peeps are not very happy, and quite right- kitty i am laughing out loud at your hilarious comments.
What i would like to say about 'the don':
1 They are so wasteful not just with cash, but with resources- they use 10 different types of compost for things like mint- that are so vigorous you dont need it.
2 They arent really gardening- the one thing that attracted me to gardening was the fascination of such varied new life from seed- but they buy blumin expensive plants all the time.
3 Monty can be a fool, and what makes it worse is that others will pick up bad habits- for example- his chitted versus unchitted tattie trial- well of course the unchitted tatties will do better if you plant them in a black bin (opposed to shiny metal), because that will absorb more heat- so a poor experiment will stop people practicing proper gardening- john angry >:(
Amazin- tell EVERYONE at GW live how angered and disappointed i am
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Oh, I will, I will!
What's the betting that for once someone on the GW team has actually read the comments on this thread and they're hiring extra security as I write...
Monty Don - Sponsored by Securicor? :o
Can I just suggest a huge round of applause for Phil, who started this thread?
...clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap...
;D
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*clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap*
No wonder Chris Beardshaw left. :-*
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mac-you got yer bread tin yet? ???
i actually watched gw on friday night...just for a laugh i did a mental calculation of how much he spent on the front border alone.....£100-and thats at 'ooop north prices' where everyone knows you can get 3 whippets, a barm cake and a pot of mushy peas with pigeons and still have change from a tanner.
god alone knows what it cost monty 'darn sarf'
i wasnt impressed.....
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Monty Don - wasn't he a big name in costume jewellery design in the 70's?????
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yes-they went bust and decided to be gardeners.. :o
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Yes kitty- im going to have to adapt it to fit but nae worries, thanks lots, ill sort your seeds out asap.
Thanks, john
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ahhh...goodo-just keep an eye on yer ma-we havent got another paddle! ;D
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Aye nae bother. ooo look phil hundredth post
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I watched the episode before last again yesterday (why? I was cooking and wanted a bit of gardening to be going on). It had stuff about herbs, tomatoes and wildlife - all things I'm passionate about. And I learnt a big fat zero. Nothing in it I didn't know already. All it taught me was I need to spend more money on my garden. Advice which I will not be taking.
(ps - I've always had a good long season of cropping off bush tomatoes ???)
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I agree with a lot of the negative comments about GW, but I don't half fancy Monty........phwoar....... :-*
Say what you like, he knows how to scarify a lawn, manually! He obviously works hard enough to keep a lovely, lean figure. ;)
Yes, main thing is their annoyingly large budget. Did you see their tropical/jungly garden... of course they forgot to wrap any of it up in fleece, so it was all brown and bitten by late frosts. More money than sense. Roy in Bham appears to know more about that lark than they do, get him on!
Carol Klein has a voice like a cow mooing. Joe Swift chooses plants that I never like. Sarah Raven - love her approach to planting, but yeah, shame about the clothes. If she puts on some more weight, she might end up looking like Gertrude Jeckyll, but maybe thats what she wants.
I wasn't fond of AT, actually, glad to see him go. DULL DULL DULL. I find his approach to gardening very prissy.
By far the worst thing though, no stuff on vegetable gardening really, no in-depth advice. So yes, I've outgrown it now, and it just seems to repeat the basics. I realised a couple of months ago that I wasn't really listening anymore..... but that was because they weren't saying anything NEW.
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You must remember that Gardeners World has been running for a very long time and Geoff Hamilton was a film star then ??? ::) Or was that George ??? any way I never really bothered to watch him on the box as he was dead boring :o hold on, I wasn't into gardening then, but what I do remember was he dressed just like my dad did for the lottie, flat cap rolled up shirt sleeves, old baggy trousers with bracers, could have been the husband of Carol Klein if you want to pair with dress sense, you get my drift? But no one moaned about it then, well not down the pub as internet was probs not around long then. :D
They are there to pass on their expertise from years of gardening and studying horticulture and I'll bet they don't want to spend time wasted in make-up, they don't need to, they are gardeners, as I said B4 what you see is what you get, "Gardeners"
With regard to repeats, just take a look on this board, how many times have we covered Tomatoes ??? ::) Nowt wrong with that, I'll be learning till I dig my own hole in the ground, (I may be doing that now Oops!) There are garden newbie’s turning on the TV daily. ;D
Now where shall I dig this hole? ;D ;D ;D
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I'll bet they don't want to spend time wasted in make-up, they don't need to, they are gardeners, as I said B4 what you see is what you get, "Gardeners"
Hmmm.... she said, wondering if that applies to the baby-poppin' Rachel de Thame. LOL. Isn't she the Nigella Lawson of GW?
You musn't forget that they may be gardener's, but they are not exactly the shy, retiring or humble type - they do *want* to be on TV, don't they?!
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I watched Fridays episode expecting it as poor as the recent ones, but I found it more engaging than I thought it would be. It seemed to be going down a different path than before. I even learnt a few things. By saying that I don't mean to sound like I know lots about gardening & it must be a good programme to teach me anything. I mean that I don't know much about gardening & I get bored easily. Ergo, because I learnt something it must have been a more interesting programme. ;D
When I used to watch Alan, every week I found that there was something he showed me how to do that I had been wondering about in the past few days. I'd not really had that experiance with the new format until last week. I hope it keeps growing that way. :)
It seemed to me that the producers, up until now, had been making a gardening show aimed at entertaining all their "television land" pals.
I think I like Sarah Raven the best at the moment. ;D
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Well, after a hard days work i fell asleep halfway through and dreamed an alternate ending (quite good) ;D .But i must agree, I even noticed that monty acknowledged a few viewer gripes like how huge the pond was which was interesting
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thank you phil - now i can have a good old rant about MD and GW in general. Personally, I have come to despise MD who is sanctimonious, dogmatic, oafish and tedious. Obviously has no sense of humour and is totally over-exposed in the media. I cannot bear his whining about the huge poverty he had to endure, his depression blah blah. His 'salt of the earth' act with his cords and braces...ugh! If he thought he could get away with it, i expect he would wear a flat cap. In truth, it is easy to have a great garden with an unlimited kitty (and I expect Don's garden to be bursting at the seams with the latest plants despite his claims to buy only from little greengrocers and local markets). I hate the obscene amounts of cash being spent on having the biggest, most expensive everything and, as far as I can see, GW is mainly a shopping programme. This week, go and buy......... whatever plants are in flower. whatever gadgets are available. The quality of gardening is poor - all these little areas are so inappropriate for the majority of people who have to make spaces which look good all year round and cannot fill their garden with a gazillion plants in bloom for that week/month. Moreoever, I think MD is just a fame-sleeper - he is happy to sign up for some reality TV type thingy with troubled youths (as long as it is not in his village) but queasily burbles on about social ills and helping in the community - pah , just another fat pay cheque and yet more media exposure for Saint Monty. Glad it will not be aired as I would be unable to stomach yet another priviledged middle class person getting 'down with the kids' and congratulating themselves on their complacent goodness. I think he is arrogant and bullying (I note Chris Beardshaw made good his escape) and frankly Sarah Raven is of the same smug mould. Again, another one happy to rake in the cash by putting her name to another pile of rubbish artefacts for our 'lifestyle aspirations'........Has anyone seen some of the ludicrous products from 'Sarah Raven's Cutting Garden' - blue pine cones, to throw in your log fire and give off lovely blues and greens - only £7.99 for 12 or so. Still, presumably there are plenty of peaople happy to be so blatantly ripped off. In truth, it seems impossible to have a gardening show without all the focus being on the presenters....but how welcome would one be.
Phew, sorry folks, I am not really this vicious cynic with a bad attitude. cheers, Suzy
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Suzy - you've made my day. I love a well articulated rant!
Only watched the first half of last week's. got bored and had a soak in the bath instead. Learnt far more about gardening, I'm sure!
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had a soak in the bath instead. Learnt far more about gardening, I'm sure!
Not sure whether that says more about the programme or the state of your bath. ;D
I think Percy Thrower is interred in ours!
Jeremy
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I think a lot of the gardening programmes are stuck between fact and entertainment. I'm not sure how much of it's the presenters' faults and how much the producers'. I recall the incredible flak there was flying about when AT was at the helm, with funny camera angles, fuzzy shots of the plants and sharp presenters... but at that point, it was being made by an outside agency with a remit to entertain. I think AT got fed up of this in the end. If only it had been in-house BBC production when he was about! I was really glad when they said it was going back to the beeb with MD.
Unfortunately there are now signs that the current lot are going the same way. But at least they are no longer picking presenters because they're pretty! And with gardening, you can't really expect one person to present 100% of the time, can you? Then again, the rest of us have our day jobs to do 100% of the time except when on holiday (usually summer, when GW has a hiatus anyway).
I wish it was just Monty presenting, that they gave full exposure to how much work is done by the full-time gardener at Berryfields (who was widely advertised for on a salary of 26K or thereabouts - not exactly the biggest earner in town!) and that they would concentrate on gardening *there* rather than doing a guest garden slot. But at least with the move to an hour (about time) they can get pro rata more actual stuff in.
moonbells
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had a soak in the bath instead. Learnt far more about gardening, I'm sure!
......I think Percy Thrower is interred in ours!
Jeremy
I should have mentioned earlier - Percy Thrower was my second cousin once removed!
I saw the programme on the American woman lifestyle guru who has just been released from jail - there were elements of her motherhood and apple pie "advice" that seems to be creeping in to GW - I hadn't spotted the blue pine cones - they sound a bargain - b ut I think I'll wait until Lidl stock them
Phil