Allotments 4 All
General => News => Topic started by: Admin aka Dan on January 10, 2007, 10:33:44
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This issue has been brought to my attention, and I thought we as a community should offer our support.
Extracts from the press release:
David Mackay, Author of the original Stratford City plan and lead Architect for the Barcelona Olympic Village and Port - flagged up as the most successful Olympics for regeneration recently - wrote, 'Unfortunately London has lost this opportunity by deciding to agree to cover the existing recreation facilities with the silliest architecture seen for years with no real concern for a legacy. So far as Legacy is concerned we are being asked to look at the Emperor's New Clothes - so delicate that nobody can see them. If carried out, and with only five years to go, the Olympic legacy is more likely to be like a Hollywood set for a ghost town or an abandoned Expo site.'
The eviction date is set to be 2nd April at the latest.
Manor Gardens, bequeathed to be allotments 'in perpetuity' by their original owner the 'Right Hon' Major Villiers, sit in the North central section of the Olympic Park. The LDA plan to remove them to make a footpath to the stadia and now to house a screen, destroying in the process a century of devoted cultivation and a close-knit community rooted in this irreplaceable site. Old timers, Tom and Albert, have been growing veg and keeping fit here for 54 and 58 years respectively, taking over from their fathers. 10 year old Boris, whose parents are members, nags them to come to the plot and wants to hand his plot down to his son. Members trust in the permanence of the site led one plot holder to scatter his brother's ashes on his plot.
However this diverse community of Turks Cypriots, Greeks, Jamaicans, Africans and Brits welcome the potential for regeneration brought by the Olympic development. Rather than being moved out of the way they want to offer their contribution which seems to them to be entirely consistent with the Olympic and Government ambitions. They believe to remove the allotment gardens would be to rip out the 'healthy heart' of the Olympic Park area as well as to fragment the community.
Even if the Manor Gardening community could be protected by relocation there is growing opposition from people local to the relocation site on Marsh Lane fields. If planning permission is granted it would only be for seven years after which the Society may be moved again. Yet it would take at least twenty years, plus the right conditions, to re-establish our current food production levels and to create a similarly viable community.
As plot holder Armagan and her friend Cavide said, 'We could make the London Olympics different from all other Olympics. Having the allotments in the Olympic Park and preserving them for the Legacy Park would send out the message world wide that the UK really does care after all.'
But do the LDA and the Mayor care about local grown initiatives even when they are successful examples, like Manor Garden Allotments, of the Governments own strategies such as the London Food and the Biodiversity Strategies?
Writer and supporter of the campaign to incorporate the allotments, Iain Sinclair says, 'We don't want it (the Olympic Park) imagining for us. We don't want it over-imagined. We want to imagine it for ourselves. Please preserve the soul of the place as represented by the beautiful Manor Garden Allotments.
A petition has been set up, which I hope you will take the time to sign,
We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Incorporate rather than demolish Manor Garden Allotments within the 2012 Olympic site. (http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/manorgardens/)
Thanks for reading.
Dan
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Done.
There are several initiatives about this. It's very sad that so much investment of time and care in the allotments is to be casually swept away for the sake of a couple of weeks of crude entertainment.
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Done
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Sadly, this doesn't surprise me at all. I took part in summer mountain bike races that have been held weekly for 13 years (summers) at Eastway Cycle Circuit. The area is (or is being) demolished for the Olympic area despite protests and petitions by naturalists and cyclists alike and the fact that the circuit contained a bird and wildlife santuary (or whatever it's called here, sorry don't know the official designation). It was a protected area, we were never allowed to cut new paths for riding - yet all that was thrown out for the Olympics. The area is gone now as far as I know, there was a last hoorah event by the cyclists in October. They can build a new velodrome but will never get back the wildlife. :(
Tina.
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Hi
My parents are in the area and i was on the waiting list there for a short time years ago. I have filled the form out and i have passed the details on to our village as well.
That system http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ is quite cool i found some other petitions that i have also signed
Cambourne7
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I have signed the petition, but how about some personal letters to Ken? Contact details are as follows:
The Public Liaison Unit (PLU) deals with all enquiries and correspondence on behalf of the Mayor and any enquiry requiring a response must be made in writing.
By email: mayor@london.gov.uk
Postal Address:
Ken Livingstone
Mayor of London
Greater London Authority
City Hall
The Queen's Walk
More London
London SE1 2AA
Telephone: 020 7983 4100
Minicom: 020 7983 4458
Fax: 020 7983 4057
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Done! Thanks for the reminder Dan, was reading about this a few days ago but the government link wasn't working then >:(
Cheers,
Rob ;)
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Done. Thanks for prompt, Dan. Guess we can only dream about an Allotment Pentathalon in future Olympics - Digging, Hoeing, Weeding, Pruning and "Erecting" - all on speed trials!! Joking apart tho it is a very serious situation.
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I have signed and also found this on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-aNwauzO3Y
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Done! Thanks for sending the reminder out Dan, otherwise i might have missed this important message. x
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Clicked on the e-mailed link but nothing happened??
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Thanks Dan. Enough to make you weep :-\
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I've signed the petition, and have also just had a look at the website (link from Dan's post about Wembley Stadium) and found this piece of hypocrisy, to make your blood boil a bit more:
"A sustainable games
London 2012 will be based on a strong sense of the concept of sustainability - a concept which is the essence of delivering a lasting legacy, benefiting sport, the environment and the local and global community.
The 500-acre site will be transformed from being one of the most under-developed in the country to one with restored natural ecology and new infrastructure providing the setting for sustainable communities.
London 2012 will be a Games which aims to deliver on environmental objectives and carbon use, biodiversity and waste.
Other sustainability benefits will be realised through the emphasis on accessibility and inclusion, creating job and training opportunities for disadvantaged people and engaging local people in the planning of the Games and legacy facilities.
The community regeneration inspired by London 2012 will provide a springboard for reducing health inequalities in east London and for encouraging people across the country to take up sport and develop active, healthy lifestyles."
like having an allotment, for instance??? >:(
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Done.
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Done Outrage !!!!!!!!!!!>:(ous
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Done... might even write a letter...
>:(
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Done.
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I couldn,t get the link either
:'( :'( :'(
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Have signed the petition. Would be a shame to lose a site that has been worked by a community for so long.
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done , must help fellow allotmenteers, article in KG magazine this month/ shades x
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Done. It makes me so sad to think of all that work being destroyed. :'( :'(
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My Grandparents lived in Stratford and I used to visit them during the school holidays duringg the 50's. signed it. Ty Dan for letting us know about it. Why the hell do some folks seem intent on ruining peoples lives. Life has enough problems without them adding their two pennorth
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I've been following this story for a while now and think it's very sad. Especially given that these Olympics have been heralded as being "sustainable" - ie: being good value for the future! Try telling that to the people who have been displaced by all of it. Jobs, homes and these allotments are all to be swept away for something nobody I know actually gives a sh*t about!
The govt are quick to herald all the renewal of the east end - but sadly the only things they don't care about is the people who actually live there - and have done so for generations when nobody wanted to live there! Long before city yuppies with get-rich-quick-bonuses to spend, pushed up house prices to stupid levels!
Personally I think it would be wonderful to see all this renewal - and slap bang in the middle of it these allotments - showing that real Londoners still have the chance to grow good healthy food in soil that generations of their forebearers have cultivated!
Unfortunately - the planners look set to do what Hitler and his bombs never managed - and that is to destroy this little part of the east end!
So please sign this petition and write or e-mail your own MP asking him/her to oppose this land grab!
Support your fellow growers - because next time it might be yours they are after!
Louise
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If places like that can be threatened then we're all vulnerable. gRRR!
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done - and sent the url to Gordon so that he can sign up too. I only hope we can, collectively, stop this idiocy happening!
Tricia
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Will sign petition and send letter from our allotment association in Dundee.
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I know, playing the devil's advocate but...
Many allotment sites look so bad they would do better to be demolished.
Its not suprising that so many have already become housing or industrial estate to date with the state they have become. This may be one of these type of sites????
I am not saying this site is bad, rough OR should be flattened !!!!. I Don't Know the area, but we can not have a eyesore in the middle of the Olympic site.
Personally i would like to see it made into a feature area and with funding and pride could be done so and accommodated.
I hope the campaign is successful and have signed up.
Good luck
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Done. They need all the support that they can get.
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Done. Thanks, Dan, for bringing it to our attention. We need to stand together on this.
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Done, I will get others to add there names.
I do agree with Travman that they should make it a feature and give some funding to the site. Allotments are an British way of life for many, let show the world, it could be used as a way of promoting GYO in the UK and other countries. It might even help stop the closing of allotments for developments.
Lets hope something good comes of this
Clare
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I've signed - thanks for the email Dan. I've bookmarked the site and will look through other petitions when I have more time - I didn't know anything about epetitions before. It will be interesting to see what happens re the MGA. I would love to think that the petition will make a difference and bring about some creative thinking but.... Getting old and getting more cynical every day! :(
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all done, thanks, dan
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done - I have signed the petition
Beryl.
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Just done it with all diff names on all different screen names I have will AOL.
I will tell my mum later she voted! ;D
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I've signed the petition, and have also just had a look at the website (link from Dan's post about Wembley Stadium) and found this piece of hypocrisy, to make your blood boil a bit more:
"A sustainable games
London 2012 will be based on a strong sense of the concept of sustainability - a concept which is the essence of delivering a lasting legacy, benefiting sport, the environment and the local and global community.
The 500-acre site will be transformed from being one of the most under-developed in the country to one with restored natural ecology and new infrastructure providing the setting for sustainable communities.
London 2012 will be a Games which aims to deliver on environmental objectives and carbon use, biodiversity and waste.
Other sustainability benefits will be realised through the emphasis on accessibility and inclusion, creating job and training opportunities for disadvantaged people and engaging local people in the planning of the Games and legacy facilities.
The community regeneration inspired by London 2012 will provide a springboard for reducing health inequalities in east London and for encouraging people across the country to take up sport and develop active, healthy lifestyles."
like having an allotment, for instance??? >:(
Signed loads of them, this included.
The info quoted above would seem like juicy news to a local newspaper or any of the glossy vegetable magazines, has anyone thought of or is able to progress this issue with the media types?
Good Luck.
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Signed the petition. My uncle and aunt have three plots on the site. I visited the site last summer and its brillaint with so many different nationalities sharing their passion for growing and swapping plants and ideas.
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Done doesn't it make your blood boil that anyone wants to take the allotments away in the first place >:(
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Dan: thanks so much for publicising this. Have added my name: now I'm passing on the info to everyone I know with an allotment (many aren't computer people: I shall go back to the Manor Gardens site and scout out a postal address to write to).
Will also jog over to my friendly local trading hut before the weekend with a notice and beg them to put it on the door. And I'll put the word out if I see anyone else on my site, though in this weather it's pretty empty.
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*drags up soapbox*
Please watch this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-aNwauzO3Y
No one who's ever grown so much as a sunflower from seed could see this site and think that it's an eyesore, could they?
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Me and OH done too, it so makes my blood boil, such a short term view, based ultimately on party politics will do for this beautiful planet, b******* >:(
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watched the thread on youtube, what a lovely site! really feel for the people on that site :'( , got my signature on that petition. >:(
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Makes you sick. can`t even offer new permanent place and have decency to transplant everything for them and get pro`s in to make sure done properly.
They just say COMPULSORY PURCHASE
wheether it be allotments or people homes for an airport.
Pathetic.
(deep breathes).................. :-X
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Done - know it will not stop them but we must at least try
very sad
Will also write letter
BB
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Have just signed & am circulating email to everyone I know who's likely to sign. Will also write - do you have an address BB, or will you send to Number 10? Might be worth including quotes from info 'norfolklass' found (post #12).
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DONE DAN, ALSO A VERY STRONG LETTER TO LIVINGSTON, WAKE HIM UP A BIT IF ANYTHING CAN.
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Done.
I can understand that protecting even very well-run allotment sites in London is going to be a bit of a struggle. For instance, if you covered our site in south London with housing, it would probably be worth about eighty million pounds.
If a new ‘essential’ development is required in our area, will the authorities purchase eighty million pounds of local housing? Or will they turf us off the allotment?
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Signing off for the night but just went back to the petition, where the name count has risen from 350 or so at the point where Dan posted this link, to 467 now.
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Signed.
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signed :)
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a couple of thoughts:
it's a well documented fact that the number of allotmenteers has increased rapidly in the past few years, and many, if not the majority, of sites now have lengthy waiting lists. surely another reason to hang onto the existing sites (as well as reason to create more).
haven't the government recently spent a lot of money on a national "5-a-day" campaign, to encourage us all to eat five portions of fruit and veg to stay healthy? something that allotment holders have been doing for years, so ultimately saving the NHS money because they won't be suffering from obesity-related illnesses such as early onset diabetes.
as halibut-t says, has anyone thought of or is able to progress this issue with the media types?
haven't the GW people done programmes on allotments in the last year or so? didn't Monty Don or Joe Swift do one?
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Have just signed & am circulating email to everyone I know who's likely to sign. Will also write - do you have an address BB, or will you send to Number 10? Might be worth including quotes from info 'norfolklass' found (post #12).
This is what I'm posting on other forums, and sending to friends for them to post up also. As a family we subscribe to things like cycling forums which are very "green" and likely to be sympathetic.
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Knowing that many people on this forum are keen on environmental issues, I wonder if any of you would like to do something practical to help the environment, and incidentally to support a model of an integrated local community that the Mayor of London is planning to destroy.
Story here, including details of an event next Tuesday 16th January:
http://www.hackneyindependent.org/ne...n_hackney.html
Even if you can't attend the event, there's a petition here:
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/manorgardens/
and/or write to the Mayor by email: mayor@london.gov.uk
or by post:
Ken Livingstone
Mayor of London
Greater London Authority
City Hall
The Queen's Walk
More London
London SE1 2AA
Finally, there's a You Tube video presenting the story here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-aNwauzO3Y
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536 people in there now!
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Places like Manor gardens are part of our heritage, but when we have a government that wants to cover the south east in concrete, the rest of the country in wind farms, lets school playing fields be sold off, then i don't hold my breath hoping this oasis can be saved
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Places like Manor gardens are part of our heritage, but when we have a government that wants to cover the south east in concrete, the rest of the country in wind farms, lets school playing fields be sold off, then i don't hold my breath hoping this oasis can be saved
You're probably right... but I still think it's worth fighting for all we're worth.
Battle of Thermopylae, anyone?
And yes, I know... the Spartans were finally defeated.
By treachery...
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MY first post on this board - anyone writing to Ken Livingstone should include the fact that he was very quick to align himself with a Show garden at Hampton Court last year promoting grow-your-own produce and it would be hypocritical of him to bulldoze these allotments away in favour of TB's desperate attempt at leaving a legacy (which will be a huge tax burden to London council taxpayers) and I speak as a Londoner now living in Sussex.
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It's just another example of the breathtaking arrogance of these people - WE voted them in and now they are in they are refusing to listen to us. They consider themselves to be on such an elevated level of existence above all of us "plebs" that our voices and opinions don't matter anymore.
Cromwell had the guts to execute a King in a battle for the greater powers of parliament and now look at it - "King Tony" and his sidekick Ken. Oliver C will be spinning in his grave.
I wonder what any of our Olympic athletes think of this issue - they of all people know the importance of a healthy diet.
Tabby
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And yes, I know... the Spartans were finally defeated.
By treachery...
They may have lost the battle, but they won the war. Greece turned out to be Persia's Vietnam, and they were gone in a year.
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Absolutely, Robert. ;) And, to quote an old friend,
"From your lips to God's ear"
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Done and done. It's so sad to see such blinkered thinking by planners. :'(
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Well Triffid thanks for the link .I felt so sad seeing those lovely folks at the Manor Garden allotments. I think they may have a strong case as they were given the land. Lets hope so eh!
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Both my OH and I have signed the petition on line. Thanks Dan for prompting us. Will also be writing a letter to Ken Livingstone. So sickening! >:( busy_lizzie
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Done
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I've had this done to me before, so I understand the feelings of the allotmenteers.
Loz
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I've written to Ken Livingstone and, apart from registering my disgust at this proposal, reminded him that the site in question is probably teeming with newts - that ought to make him think....
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lol! if they find Great Crested ones, won't they have to put the Olympics on hold?!?
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done
>:(
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Job done. >:(
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Have sign the petition thank you so much for letting me know it's a disgrace the goverment have a legal obligation to provide allotments in law they just seem to keep forgetting the fact
the other point is if you have spent years tending fruit trees etc you can't just move out the way for six years and then move back when they have finish maddness
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It's just another example of the breathtaking arrogance of these people - WE voted them in and now they are in they are refusing to listen to us.
Not starting a political debate there...but imagine how those of us who didn't vote them in feel!!! ::) x
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As a historian from a working class background I always vote... after such a struggle to get it. Started voting in the Thatcher Years and had the distinction of reaching 42 before any of my votes at any level actually helped return a candidate
There was some excellent graffiti in Leeds in the early 80's my favourite was "Don't Vote, it only encourages them!"
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Politicans only listen when they are not in power
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Not starting a political debate there...but imagine how those of us who didn't vote them in feel!!! ::) x
Not continuing political debate ( ;D) but I was using "WE" in a kind of generic "power to the people" kind of way ;D....... I voted because after reading about what the Suffragettes went through to get woman the vote I think it's incredibly important that we use the rights they won for us all, BUT I've never voted for Phony Tony & his band of self-serving lunatics!
In fact none of them in the Embankment Lunatic Asylum inspire me at all
:(. I'm sure they all start off with noble ambitions and principles but it all seems to disappear along the way somehow.
Tabby
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Phony Tony & his band of self-serving lunatics!
This made me laugh tabby, well said! ;D (PS I always vote too, as a woman it just feels a bit ungrateful not to!) x
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Done. Thanks for flagging this up!
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Just added my name to the petition, just hope the so called listening Prime Minister does what he says on the can and LISTENS
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Done.
Ellkebe
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Hi Dan,
I was forwarded your petition today in Sheffield, I will circulate the details at our meeting tonight and get others to sign as well.
Remember keep fighting.
Kim
President Sheffield Allotment and Leisure Gardeners Federation
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Just had another peep at the petition: now approaching its (first!) thousand signatures.
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hmm, signed it but can't see my name on the list ??
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Did you sign the petition recently? Only the last 500 names are displayed.
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Did you sign the petition recently? Only the last 500 names are displayed.
yes, about 5 mins before I posted the message. It said it was going to send me an e-mail, but that hasn't turned up yet ... maybe its on go slow. I've just checked the listing and a new name has been added, but not me. Will check again tomorrow and maybe try it again if its not worked.
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Did you sign the petition recently? Only the last 500 names are displayed.
yes, about 5 mins before I posted the message. It said it was going to send me an e-mail, but that hasn't turned up yet ... maybe its on go slow. I've just checked the listing and a new name has been added, but not me. Will check again tomorrow and maybe try it again if its not worked.
I was sent the e-mail almost instantly. You will need to click on a link in this e-mail for your name to be added to the petition. Maybe the e-mail has been blocked by your spam filter?
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.... It said it was going to send me an e-mail, but that hasn't turned up yet ... maybe its on go slow. I've just checked the listing and a new name has been added, but not me. Will check again tomorrow and maybe try it again if its not worked.
Your vote doesn't get added until you've clicked on the link they email you. Hopefully (all these hours later :)) you'll have had the mail and your siggy is on the list ;D
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not sure what happened first time, but I've tried again and it worked immediately.
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Thanks for the info. Signed without hesitation.
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Just got husband and son to sign up ...pertition just broke the 2001
There is an article on this in March issue of GROW YOUR OWN .
My arrived by post today ..
story is :-
"Allotmenteers whose plots will be flattened in preparation for the London games have been told they are not welcome on the playing feilds earmarked as their new home.
2012 Olmpics cheifs want to shift the 100 year old Manor Gardens site in Hackney Wick to Marsh Lane Playing feilds in Leyton. However, the plot holders face a frosty reception. "Marsh Lane Feilds is our land" said a spokesman for the save March Lane Feilds campaign group. "If we let them borrow one peice of it, will we ever see it back ?"
The London Development Agency insists plans to build a footpath over the site must go ahead as it lies at the heart of the planned Olmpic park "
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Done my bit (again) on the No.10 site. Wonder whether it will get the same result as most of the others will? I see from the media again that even with over a million votes, government doesn't seem to think that it is a significant enough response to affect policy decisions, (thats the road pricing issue!).
My recent forays into local politics (as an Independent) have done little to encourage my belief in the democratic state of the nation - those in power get away with it because we let them. Time for the return of Wolfie Smith and his 'Power to the People', perhaps.
Just read the above again and am now convinced that my annual subscription to the Grumpy old Men Club must be due again - roll on the spring so I can work off some of the frustrations again!!!!
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This is terrible news.
You have to be a UK resident or I'd sign without hesitation.
I also enjoyed their website http://www.lifeisland.org/ (http://www.lifeisland.org/)
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Michelle Hanson wrote a column about the allotments in today's Guardian:
http://environment.guardian.co.uk/conservation/story/0,,2011925,00.html (http://environment.guardian.co.uk/conservation/story/0,,2011925,00.html)
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It is NOT right.
100 years for 4 weeks and 2 world wars.
I think we need to email all our friends again and confirm they signed it.
Use the power of the net to save somethig worthwhile.
Imagine if it were our plots that we had put so much hard work into...
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Hadn't seen pye's link until I was about to post this - from Michele's article.
Says everything?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-aNwauzO3Y
8 min london tv prog now on you tube
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This isn't new. I watched it weeks ago??
Maybe we need to coordinate our efforts. All my immediate family have responded. I'm going to ask at work now. And maybe look at City of Edinburgh employees. What else can we do? This can't be allowed to happen.
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i just seen it and had not seen the link here :-)
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Couldn't get the link but went there just googling petitions to pm and got there in the end. Signed and done.
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Done, let's hope sense prevails.
Rod
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Its such a shame that 100 years of community gardening is going to be wiped away.
have signed the petition, hope it helps
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Clicked on the e-mailed link but nothing happened??
I had a problem as well, will try again first thing in the morning. ;)
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I'm in (petition signed)
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5,616 have signed i am not sure thats enough ??
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are there any other gardening sites that people belong to to put notices on
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Done, maybe they should build the track and field around it and leave it as a proud monument to the British Gardening community, Good Luck to you all who garden there.XX Jeannine
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It just got a good mention in the news!!!
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they are closing hacnkey allotments just been on the news.
what muppets :-[
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That's very sad, can't say I'm surprised as I always thought they'd do just what they want :(
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t'would appear we are desperately short of a National Allotment Association with big boots.
Anyone want to put up for leader of the 'National Allotment Party?' You have my vote.
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just had an e-mail from Tony Blair :'( basically saying they are sorry but it had to be done and the allotment holders will get a new site after the Olympics ?/ shades x
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A petition of over 7000 and they don`t care.
They will get rid of the plots that were left for infinity in a will.
Typical government A*** H****
All for stupid olympics
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They get a new plot AFTER the olympics, what are they supposed to do for veggies till then. Sport is important and all that but not as important as food !!! I think no-one should have to give anything up against their will for another plan,It is just plain wrong.. XX Jeannine
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Wouldn`t it be good if all 7000+ people who voted all individually wrote a letter to Mr Blair!!!! At the very least it would be a pain in the butt for someone to open them all.....
Anyone any good a draughting a letter that we can slightly alter and send?
;D ;D ;D
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I don't think I could write a polite one right now, after reading that arrogant nonsense. The old Roman custom of writing a curse on a sheet of lead would be more like it.
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Anybody got any lead?
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Are they for the people, for the voters or for their jumped up-selves. Makes me so angry. I feel I have let the side down, years ago I was an hon sec for a local political party, took minutes, presented them at the next meeting and what was it, all waffle which tooks hours to decide. "Yes Minister" wasn't even thought of then but it was happening at local level! On our plot is a local guy who I've known for years, he's on the local parish council and has told me things don't change. It's just how hard they are pushed from above. I'm not a politcal person really but being in business if I said I would do xyz for you if I had your business and I didn't perform you would take me to court, wouldn't you. So where's the difference with our politicians at all levels? The people will revolt and if there's enough of them it might make a difference. Does Trading Standard apply to this case???
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;D ;D Robert and Tinshed
Was not impressed. But thats Blair and London for you. Money talks. :'( :'( :'(
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Remember Emmy those with money are in the minority though - bears thinking about. :-\
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The allotment benefactor must be turning in his grave. "Take Paradise and put up a parking lot..".
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The allotment benefactor must be turning in his grave. "Take Paradise and put up a parking lot..".
Ahhh, "Farmer Farmer put away your DDT, I like spots on my apples, leave me the birds & the bees..."
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Just found this site lifeisland.org it is the website for the Manor Gardens.
Apparently they had a visit from Baroness Miller on 3rd May who is to ask questions on some bill on 8th May as to why these folks have not been given new lotties before. I may have this all wrong so you might want to look for youselves. It also said the Manor are taking the government to court.
XX Jeannine