Allotments 4 All
General => News => Topic started by: BAK on January 20, 2013, 08:59:30
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Programme on BBC1 on Tuesday 22nd Jan 2013 at 10.35pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01q9d8b (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01q9d8b)
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Should be fun, but sad in a way.
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would have loved to have watched but looking at the details the bbc doesnt think we have allotments in either northern Ireland or Scotland lol
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would have loved to have watched but looking at the details the bbc doesnt think we have allotments in either northern Ireland or Scotland lol
Shown an hour later in NI/Scotland
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Shame it's not about the positives of allotment life.
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Just watched this on iPlayer. Certainly doesn't show the positives of having an allotment but then it wouldn't have been made into a programme they wanted. I don't have a plot :sad10: and even I didn't feel sorry for the lad who had been evicted from his plot. I got the impression that he just put 3 weeks work turning the soil and then left it for his pumpkins to grow and then wondered why everyone was getting upset with his weeds. I thought his plot was an eye sore. Or am I being too harsh?
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A little disappointing ,the show was great but as fitzsie said concentrating on the many positives was not the programme they wanted,shame.
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Seems abit harsh, Fitzie.
I got the impression he was a sane-minded individual who may have been put off growing for life because of a narrow-minded minority of bullies who never really gave him a chance?!....could be wrong tho! :toothy10:
As for Harry and Frank, what luck to be placed next to eachother in the show!! :BangHead:
Talk about 'love thy neighbour'!!! :toothy10:
And yes, they did portray more of the negatives of allotmenteering than the psitives - shame really :sad10:
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Just watched it and found it depressing that, what should be a friendly environment,is anything but for some folk.
The competetiveness of veg growers for competition surprised me,that so called plot friends can be so devious to ruin one anothers prize efforts.!!!!
Nothing in the programme was positive,the makers just wanted to show aggression,or silence tween plot holders and seemed to show if your not in the right ""clique" on site then your not wanted.
Pound to a pinch of Horse Doins,if you offered the programmed makers hard cash to make another prog showing the friendship and and community spirit that can live on allotments....""They wouldnt bluddy be interested""
GazNjude
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Ummm " harsh " Yes, I think it was a bit of the green eye monster in me !! lol !
I did wonder though whether there was more to the story then we saw. It seems they only evicted him when he failed to pay the money. Why did he leave it so late? Why wouldn't they accept the money when offered? Why call the police and lock the gates when he said he would return the key? I would certainly call that false imprisonment, how can they do that?
Lots of questions !!!
Oh yes I had to laugh at Harry & Frank, perhaps I am being too cynical but it wouldn't have suprised if the producers had a word in someone's ear !!
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An attempt perhaps to redress the balance after the many, many programmes which have depicted having an allotment as an idyllic and unrealistic dream?
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more car crash telly I'm afraid, and although it was uncomfortable to watch there must be more to the Mancunian's story that we were not shown or why would he have given up the key so easily in the end?
what shocked me more were the two smug guys clearing out the gentlemans shed and saying that there were 34 years of junk in there and then being seen to pilfer off the best tools ( this is how it appeared ) but my point is anyone who has had an allotment plot for 34 years is bound by now to be elderly could they not have offered him some help or sympathy in place of the glee and criticism.
I feel extremely lucky to be on a site that is part of a community - no locked gates and apart from my run in with the crazy old bird over the apple trees everybody is jolly nice and very helpful.
I can't help feeling the bloke with secret site is asking for it Google earth and a little local knowledge won't save him for long.
not that I condone the burning of sheds and destroying of crops but hey that's people and we are all somewhat peculiar in reality.
Nora :tongue3:
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"Oh yes I had to laugh at Harry & Frank, perhaps I am being too cynical but it wouldn't have suprised if the producers had a word in someone's ear !! "
:toothy10: :toothy10: :toothy10:
I wonder if they have built bridges yet?!!
Yeah, theres got to be more to the manc's story.
Perhaps there'll be a follow up next year - Im sure we'd all love to know whos been breaking into Michelles shed and drinking her tea!!! :tongue3:
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This is the reality of most Allotments.......a lot of trouble is caused by groups of people who are committee members who think they rule the world.Glad to see it exposed to the nation :tongue3:
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This is the reality of most Allotments.......a lot of trouble is caused by groups of people who are committee members who think they rule the world.Glad to see it exposed to the nation :tongue3:
Oi! That's me you're talking about!! Unpaid servant more like!!
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This is the reality of most Allotments.......a lot of trouble is caused by groups of people who are committee members who think they rule the world.Glad to see it exposed to the nation :tongue3:
If people on our allotment site thought like this, I would leave.
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Missed it on TV last night, but just watched it on the computer and enjoyed it, better than the usual repeats and rubbish programmes they put on. I am so lucky that all the people on my allotment site are so friendly and nice, that is part of the reason I enjoy going there, for a good chat, and they are so generous give me loads of produce. Nice shed the two ladies had, we are not allowed sheds as they are targets for vandals. Roll on summer.
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:sad10: :sad10:This is the reality of most Allotments.......a lot of trouble is caused by groups of people who are committee members who think they rule the world.Glad to see it exposed to the nation :tongue3:
If people on our allotment site thought like this, I would leave.
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A lot of allotments are like that though Betty.I think it is safe to say you are not among them.
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:sad10: :sad10:This is the reality of most Allotments.......a lot of trouble is caused by groups of people who are committee members who think they rule the world.Glad to see it exposed to the nation :tongue3:
If people on our allotment site thought like this, I would leave.
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A lot of allotments are like that though Betty.I think it is safe to say you are not among them.
Unfortunately, this is the situation for a number of unlucky plot holders across the country. Some Committee members do think they are the law and can do want the want regardless of what they majority think.....in the past this is also known as a dictatorship....sadly
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The reason I left my old allotment after 24 years was due to 2 committee members. I have been on my current plot for 12 years, it is a lot bigger site, privately owned, no obligation to join the allotment association and we get no bother at all. It is a pleasure to go over there without the fear of being told we should be dointg things a different way or other harsh comments.
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Definitely a " made for TV" programme and it is a legitimate point of view.
But not a fair representation of allotments in my opinion.
I have been on our allotments for nearly thirty years, and in that time I have had four Secretaries, three of these were / have been very good the other created a rod for his own back by taking / making all the decisions without having a word with other plot holders first.
So how much of this type of was not publicised?
I think there was a bit of " power play" in action in this programme, and the "committee" members were playing to or against the cameras.
I think if I was a committee member and someone registered a complaint to me with a BBC camera taking pictures behind him I too wouldn't like it
The thing that struck me was it was a good bit of editing as I am quite sure that most of the " background" is lying on the cutting room floor.
Regarding the " nobbling" that was going on on the plots ....that is nothing new!
I know I have been there!
Nothing new there then!
Not a programme I will be following in the future
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Is it a series then?
I wish that it would show the more positive side about having a lottie but then i guess it wouldnt be call Allotment wars then :S The bit that made me chuckle was the group trying to catch the shed theifs as if they would try with that racket going on hehe
Its a sad but true fact that things go walking on some lottie sites last year someone helped themselves to my only decent row of carrots :BangHead:
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I don't think it showed true allotment life very poor show,
I am new to allotment's about 4 or 5 years i think, i never had or heard of bulling where i am or on any of the other sites in my area!!
But don't get me wrong yes there have been breakins and yes i have had crops go missing but on the all people are very helpfull and friendly at my site there are a few that keep themselves to themselves but they still say hello just not as chatty as me :tongue3:
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There have been quite a few programmes that idealise, indeed over-romanticise allotments.
My take on this programme was that it redressed the balance a bit ... no more than that. As pointed out previously we do not know the full story with respect to any of these tales. What should come out of the programme is simply that these sort of things do go on. And while experienced plot holders will just say "but we know all that" there are many inexperienced plot holders or would-be plot holders who do not.
All life is here ... to misquote one of the plot holders in the programme. Indeed it is. There are good councils / councillors and there are some bad ones ... there are lots of good secretaries / site reps / committee members etc around and some bad ... and the vast majority of plot holders are very friendly and generally act in an exemplary manner, but some can be very anti-social if not criminal.
Actually, I did not find the programme as negative as I thought it might be. For example, there are darker tales than simple nobbling which could be told.
The programme was not meant to be a fair representation. If you want a fair representation just remember that it would have to include the plus points AND the minus points of our leisure activity.
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With you on that BAK.
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There was not a lot on last night granddaughter finally give in about 9/30 after Peperpig, and the Hive, O/H was doing the ironing thought lets have a look, can not say allotments are like that as our local one ,and I have known most of the lads and we are all 60 plus since school days. But when it comes to the local Rugby Club :BangHead: garden show its all out war for the four week build up to it. They don,t talk, have a drink together, the slightest thing is not going right and it is so and so,s fault. Then an hour after com petion they are all hand in hand with there O/H ,Children, Grandchildren, in the beer garden laughing at them self's, saying well done to everyone. Funny breed us Gardeners :happy7:R
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Just in the middle of watching it, don't like the narrator's voice, though. I hope our committee never gets like that. Poor lad, what a situation to be in :disgust:
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Reading the posts on here over the years re problems on Allotments tells its own story x
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This is the reality of most Allotments.......a lot of trouble is caused by groups of people who are committee members who think they rule the world.Glad to see it exposed to the nation :tongue3:
Oi! That's me you're talking about!! Unpaid servant more like!!
Exactly Anne.........I rest my case
She can't get me.....she is in Scotland tee hee :angel11:
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Reading the posts on here over the years re problems on Allotments tells its own story x
But aren't people more likely to write about negative things? How many would think
of telling everyone about the good things which happen on allotments? We read about
the bad things committees do, but what about the positive ones - surely all committees
aren't bad.
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This is the reality of most Allotments.......a lot of trouble is caused by groups of people who are committee members who think they rule the world.Glad to see it exposed to the nation :tongue3:
Oi! That's me you're talking about!! Unpaid servant more like!!
Exactly Anne.........I rest my case
She can't get me.....she is in Scotland tee hee :angel11:
Oh really? A mere 5 hour drive!! :tongue3: :wave: I've just filled the tank up too .......mmmmm .......maybe not today!
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Reading the posts on here over the years re problems on Allotments tells its own story x
But aren't people more likely to write about negative things? How many would think
of telling everyone about the good things which happen on allotments? We read about
the bad things committees do, but what about the positive ones - surely all committees
aren't bad.
I think you're absolutely right. Very often people tend to come to the forum with questions and problems. On our allotments too, people will pick up on the one thing the committee (or a member of the committee) does that they don't like and ignore the ongoing work that gets done behind the scenes.
Not true of most of the members who are great and go out of their way to say thanks, but true of a very vocal minority.
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Reading the posts on here over the years re problems on Allotments tells its own story x
But aren't people more likely to write about negative things? How many would think
of telling everyone about the good things which happen on allotments? We read about
the bad things committees do, but what about the positive ones - surely all committees
aren't bad.
In our allotment days we have not come across such vindictiveness. Management was mostly absent. There were no facilities either.
This is why Squash's site is so different. And the difference is all to do with the management team and volunteers working very hard to make it a pretty special place. Always working for the members, not making things difficult or being self-absorbed with their way of growing.
Visiting Wallsall Road allotments is highly recommended.
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This is why Squash's site is so different. And the difference is all to do with the management team and volunteers working very hard to make it a pretty special place. Always working for the members, not making things difficult or being self-absorbed with their way of growing.
Visiting Wallsall Road allotments is highly recommended.
That's really kind of you Galina, thank you. (I would have put a 'blushing' icon but couldn't see one)
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It happens; I've been on the receiving end myself. There are also a lot of hardworking committee members who really try to look after the people on their sites.
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My twopenceworth...unless you have served as an allotment committee member you honestly have no idea what it is like. Some of the letters we used to get from plotholders ranged from threats to individually sue us from an aggrieved potential evictee, to someone asking if the committee can 'do something' about all the wildlife on the site as it ate his crops! You put in a lot of hours but will still get moans from plotholders that you haven't done something about whatever issue is close to their heart. Whatever strategy you employ to try and keep a minimum standard of cultivation, some will argue it is too draconian, others will say you are too soft. Betty is really lucky to have a site where so many people volunteer their time for site upkeep, that is a rare and wonderful thing. I have nothing but admiration for those folk who choose to grasp the nettle and join a committee, boy is it a challenge!
I also watched the programme last night, and like others felt a bit more back story would have been helpful in regard to the pumpkin bloke, but perhaps that would not have made it interesting enough a programme..?
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I feel volunteer work is a pain, go in with the best intentions and people do moan and moan, and they are the ones that don't do anything. I never got any trouble when I was in a paid job (but have got fed up with volunteer work) so I just say hats off to volunteers. It just annoys me that people give their time and effort for free and it seems some people never think it is good enough, let them do it I say. Our allotment Sec. gets stick, the free Council compost is delivered in the wrong place (some people say), as it is not fair that some people have to walk further, also if it delivered in the week the workers complain, so it is limited to 6 wheelbarrows but some people are just greedy. I always thank him for arranging any free deliveries, ie woodchip, manure, compost etc. but think he gets a bit fed up with the moans. That is my moan over for today. The Council runs our allotment site, so at least we know what we have to pay, and evictions take a time and are done fairly, not like that ridiculous episode in the TV programme where he was locked in and no-one spoke to him, more in that then was filmed I believe.
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How depressing.
There was something in the voice of the commentator which made me feel that it was supposed to be funny but then there was nothing much to laugh about.
It all felt a bit contrived to me.
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I have to agree with a lot of what Borlotti and DebP have said. For me it was the worst thing I ever did getting involved with the committee. I spent hrs and hrs not only on admin. but physical hard work on site - people would stand and watch me pushing barrow loads of hard core/gravel to improve the drive telling me 'it was about time that was done' then when I decided I was fed up with all the moans and growns, enough was enough and resigned I had expensive apple trees stolen, followed by a blueberry bush killed off and fruit harvest stolen then because I complained and reported the theft to the police I was practically 'sent to coventry' another site rep on a different site in our area resigned for similar reasons - it really is heart wrenching.
Yes most people on our site are good honest hardworking people but there is obviously at least one person who is not.
I too envy the communal spirit on Betty's site - WONDERFUL!
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Well we enjoyed it, there are some right Hitler committees out there, then there's Bettys site, but the thing is it was allotment WARS, showing people at war in something that is ment to be simple gardening but if it showed hippys skipping round the site skipping and singing picking daffs its not going to be very good veiwing. I did think the two Sisters were overdressed for allotmenting and there nails were perfect. :wave:
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I am on site with a committee that preach do as I say and not as I do, its fine for them to break every rule in the tenancy agreement and yet they sit in there canteen and plot against the ordinary plot holder, making our lives hell, only I'm a stubborn person I would of quit a few years ago, so most of what was shown on the show was true to our site. :BangHead:
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Well I've had a lot of problems with theft and damage and last couple of years someone with a grudge who does little things to annoy e.g. cutting the string supporting my broad beans. The worst thing was watering glyphosate on my damson.....still fighting for life nearly two years later. I know who did it but can't prove it.
So this week when I got to my allotment and found cupboard doors I'd stored ready to make planters out of had been moved about I got cross and put them back. Two days later they'd been moved back, so I crossly moved them again and continued working. Noticed one of my near neighbours chickens out and scratching around near by, thought about some of the strange holes dug in some beds. Then the penny dropped! My neighbour is aware he has an escapee chicken and had used the doors to block the ways it could get on to my plot.....how thoughtful of him!
I put the doors back before I left. Then the chicken (actually a rooster on closer inspection) tried to come home with me when I left.