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General => News => Topic started by: undercarriage plan on September 09, 2005, 13:53:25
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So much for my surprise on Firday, got letter in post. Someone in village, has written to council about my little veg patch. Least I know where rabbit came from...!
"The council has also been made aware that a strip of land appears to being cultivated, and a greenhouse, shed and other items have been placed on this land ...........it will be necessary for me to visit and inspect the site and then I can advise you of any further actions that may need to be taken."
It's bloody farmland!!!!! Have worked for 4 years clearing bomb site of brambles, barbed wire and crap. If I can't have veg plot to grow veg for family then I'm emigrating! Sorry, but cross. If try and stop, then will sit in tent on land, with Bob and not budge.... Lottie :'(
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Hmmm, you have my sympathies however it falls, it is all hassle. Nothing more I can add ...
Derekthefox :D
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PT not up yet, I wish.....Hope I'm getting knickers in twist for nothing. Hoping when they arrive, they'll roll eyes and let me get on with it! I'm creating wildflower meadow, hoping to put pond in, leaving nettles for butterflies etc. It just makes me sad. This is the little village I grew up in, used to have council houses etc so had good mix of peeps. Now just has rich peeps and weekenders. All concil houses sold off, shop gone, and little school importing kids from all over to try and keep going. Not explaining this very well, am I!! I'm quiet, inoffensive, bit dippy I know,can't be seen by road, land was just barren, doing no harm to anyone. It's agricultural land, seems strange if can't cultivate that! Lottie
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It could well hinge around that agricultural land issue. They are probably concerned whether there are any structures erected, permanent structures would definitely require planning permission, I am not sure about shed, greenhouse and polytunnels, although in agricultural terms these are still structures . . .
Like I said, you have my sympathies . . .
Just smile at them ...
Derekthefox :D
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How dare they??????
Not sure about legal things, but if its a planning permission thing, I thought if you had sheds P/T etc they do not count as "permanent structures" so its ok? I am sure someone will know.
If anyone is an Archers listener they will know what I mean when I say it sounds like Linda Snell!!
Fingers crossed for you....will probably be a storm in a fine bone china egg cup!!
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Seems that as yet PTs don't require permission but they thinking of changing that. Pretty sure the very elite who reside in this part, don't want any oiks around. But it's my families land, and will need bigger JCB than mine to remove me!! Perhaps fur-lined weliies and pink raincoat would help, pinky raised whilst digging? Lottie ;D
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Oh yes...pinkie raised and make sure you have the obligatory waxed jacket......have you thought of hosting an "al fresco evening" at the plot and inviting all?????!!!!!
You could see the whites of their eyes then....... 8)
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LOL!! May have lowered the tone by camping there, forgot butler ::)! Thinking about sewage farm, or caravan site or...... ;) Lottie
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Seems that as yet PTs don't require permission but they thinking of changing that.
Be very sure about that Lottie for a farmer I knew fell foul of that with Polytunnels. The rules has to do with whether they are seen as permanent or not and I think that has to do with the foundation depth. Top of my head says that if the foundations are more than one meter deep then it is not permanent so no planning needed but that would need checking.
Also although agricultural it may only be cleared for grazing rather than cropping. I think the best bet is just to be up front and honst and resist the temptation to say it is just a bit of garden cos that also stops it being agricultural!
I truly hope you win out for that really is taking planing to the extreme and is daft as a brush. Good luck and keep smiling, even if only for Bob's sake....
Iain
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I think the problem is, that it's a bit of an enigma. Don't know how many cases like mine there has been. Growing veg on bomb site of brambles, which is owned by farmer, my Dad. So, not garden, not allotment, not agricultural, just me growing veg, and bee teasing...I know, I'll blind them with science, or a marrow back-hander..... But thanks all for input, knowing our council, I'll be pushing up daisies myself before they come round. for visit...;D Lottie
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Bloody pees me off when busy bodies cannot keep their beaks out of something that is doing no harm whatsoever. Some people's mission in life just seems to be to spoil other people's lives. Good luck to you Lottie and if you find out who it is a horse's head on their pillow is far more effective than a dead rabbit.
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Just let it be known in the area that you are clearing a site for your microlight landings and if any of the posh people around would like to use it as a helicopter landing site they would be more than welcome. Then sit in your poly tunnel and watch their blood pressure rise ;D
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It might be wise to go to a citizen advise centre and see what they say. So you are more clued up for when they visit :)
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This is because you are using agricultural land for what might be considered horticultural use.... e.g. they think it is a market garden for which you would need permission.
You could apply for this retrospectively.
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Thank you!! Will let you know how it goes. I just have big bee in bonnet about peeps moving into countryside and moaning about the life they've moved into. I'm a live and let live kinda gal, unless it involves small, furry creatures or pineapples, hate pineapples. Think Redclanger hit nail on head, too many bored rich peeps about. Good point Chris, will try them when know what I'm dealing with. Shirley, OH is going to dive bomb model planes on regular basis......Lottie ;D
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Sorry, must have posted at same time WSL!! Not a market garden, I wish!! My idea of heaven! PT for toms, melons (I hope!) I may squeeze in the odd bedding plant for hanging baskets..... ;) My dream would be for nursery eventually, think I can knock that on head. But imagined one with just native plants, and pond and wild meadow and orchard..... ;D Lottie
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So to squeeze a lateral question, hopefully not getting passed sideways, do you have a revised plan for the completion of your PT ?
Derekthefox :D
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Lottie I couldn't agree with you more!! Although I am a Londoner born and bred I (along with my late husband) have always loved the countryside. In 1967 we bought a detached bungalow in Mayfield East Sussex along with 4/5 acres of land.. We had gigantic chicken houses behind our property. We had been there about six months when the lady next door approached me and said "You are good at wording letters, don't you think we should complain about the smell of the chicken sheds? (there was a smell when they were clearing out ready for the next batch. ) She was most upset when I refused and said when you move to the country you take all these things in to your life, or else stay in a town!! Good luck Lottie, fingers crossed. Lorna.
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How long has it been there? Unless they've changed the rules, you're OK if the structure has been there more than four years. I'll never forget when we were in Cornwall, we were looking at getting a grant to do up the cottages. The guy from the Council came and made a fuss about the sheds outside, claiming that they weren't on the plan. I pointed out that they were clearly shown on the large-scale maps we had, and that being built of granite, they were probably as old as the house. We never heard any more about that one!
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Thankds Lorna. Robert, real quagmire (If that word? Not sure..!), shed is tiny and only been there about a year, PT in construction, not huge, 10ft by 20 ft, then just veg, lawn and meadow. There are old buildings there, or were, long gone. Quite intrigued to find out where I stand with growing veg for family on here!! I don't stick my neck out for many things, but this means an awful lot to me. It's where I was lucky enough to live and grow up. We live in town now cos can't afford place in village, but it gives my kids a taste of running and playing in large space, gives me the chance to grow unpolluted food!!And to breathe, truth be told!! Lottie :)
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blimey!
i can't believe someone complained! i'm a complete towny so don't understand, i would assume that if it's your dad's land it's no-one else's business what you do on it.
while my chosen response would be to say f***k 'em all, p'raps you could say that it's part of an experiment to test the viability of 'sustainable, organic farming' lots of councils seem sympathic to that sort of thing nowadays.
however, if you do decide to protest, sit in, wave placards and stuff me and dave will definately be pleased to come and join you!
good kuck mate, keep us posted
Tara xx
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Awwww thanks all!! Had bit of good news, but sitting on it til council visit!!! Had call last night, my wonderful Dad had been on line. Seems the "complainant" didn't realize it was farmland.....as it is designated for agriculture, can have as many PTs as I like ( was thinking 50???), an orchard, a nursery, farm shop......thought I'd wait til little man came round, before telling him ;)...! You'd think they'd find this out first!!! You've all been wonderful, and if I need any help, esp in spending that grant, Wardy :o :o :o! Will know where to come! Lottie ;D
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That definitely sounds like good news. We all have enough problems in life without the anxieties that accompany something like this.
I am pleased for you
Derekthefox :D
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Thanks! Will post on how annoyed little man from council is, when he realizes he's wasted his time...... ;D Lottie
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REALLY good news lottie so pleased for you ,you want have to have the soggy lettuce ready to throw at the council man , good luck on building lottie,s bit of heaven :) :) :)
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But of course, we fail to understand, they are not 'wasting their time', but doing an essential and very responsible job maintaining civic standards for the benefit of everyone.
Did you like the way I managed to say that without even smiling ...
You nearly believed me for a second there, didn't you, ha ha ha ;D ;D ;D
The sad thing is, I actually work with a lot of people like this now, so I just let them get on with it ...
Life is too short ... hmmm read that somewhere else ...
ha haha
Derekthefox :D
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Awwww Dibs! You visited!!LOL! Am working on thick farmer's daughter impression as we speak!! Think blank, unblinking stare should suffice, 15 mins late, all kids in tow + some borrowed ones, minor emergency whilst out there, more delay, perhaps few well placed tears, then intelligent summing up, with smile and free marrow? Lottie ;D
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Come on lottie ...play fair....the poor little fellas only trying to do his job
Flutter your eyelashes at him and get him in a 'real' tizzy ;D
Derek
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LOL!! Flutter my eye lashes!! ::) ::) ::)I'll have you know, I'll rely on wit, intelligence, sparkling personality, though guess I'm buggered if dad out.......I know, Derek, he has his job to do.........just wanting him to get cross with noggin who complained in first place!! Willl be good, promise......maybe......probably!! ;) Lottie
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I have spent the last heaven knows how many years trying to find the school/college where females go to learn how to manipulate us poor men. ;D
I did ask an elderly lady customer once...she was a retired headmistress..."I am not telling YOU young man" she replied.
I have come to accept totally that my Governor can read me like a book, she knows what I am going to think before it enters my head.
She has an AA+ in intuition and, dammit, she is never wrong in her assessments of the people she meets... scary what!
Still she took me on so I have to say that ;) ;D
Derek
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You know Derek, I have to endorse every single word you have written there ... ;D It is all so true . . .
Derekthefox ;D
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Oh you poor, innocent lambs.... ::) ::) ::) ;)! I'm still trying to become a member of that exclusive club of what I'm supposed to be doing in the ladies lavs that takes 30 minutes instead of 30 secs???? What is it? Feel like I'm really missing out on club similar to Mason's here........
Lottie ???
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I'm still trying to become a member of that exclusive club of what I'm supposed to be doing in the ladies lavs that takes 30 minutes instead of 30 secs???? What is it? Feel like I'm really missing out on club similar to Mason's here........
Lottie ???
Same here Lottie, I've heard that it's all about gossiping and putting on make-up or something like that. Even then, I still don't know how it takes 30 minutes :-\
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Erm....it's when they in the loo, TL, if you get my drift!!! Some women go in there, never to be heard of again!!! Think it may be similar to Bermuda triangle, time warp kinda thing. But really, never fails to amaze me!! I just feel I'm really missing out. ;) Lottie
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and when they grew up and graduated to night clubs the norty ones spent even longer in the loo - but only with the boys......
Even more concerning is when they spend 30 minutes in the loo - but only if there is a lady friend to go with them!!! What is THAT all about????
Iain
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This sort of story really gets me going. The idiots that complain! the bigger idiots that listen, the even bigger legal idiots that try to enforce it and the complete morons in the judiciary and government who not only condone such pathetic actions but actually pass laws to ensure that the anally retentive spineless (but perfectly well dressed) creeps that exist within our society can achieve so much destruction with so little effort.
In the village that my wife came from, newcomers tried to take legal action to stop sheep from bleating, complained about the smell when farmers indulged in sh1t spreading and wanted the whole countryside to be lit by streetlights. If you want that environment why not stay where you are and leave the countryside alone (bit like foreigners moving to another country and then trying to make it just like the place they came from - bugger off).
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Wow BW!! For a minute there thought you meant the loo thing!! But agree with you totally, fingers crossed, I'm hoping to be fine, decided to cover the PT this weekend, have plants to protect this winter.
And Icy, you always had to go to loo in pairs, skipping preferably, and as for taking boy there.....preferred haystack ;)!! I mean the ladies when you're out at restaurant or something, don't think they've got a man in with them, could be wrong...! They spend hours in there, and I want to know why!!!!! Lottie ;D
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LOL!! There's always one in a family, Wardy!! Think I could be that one, common sense not a strong point for me and sis....... ::) ::) ::)! Lottie ;D
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lol wardy . my mother in law is very much a complainer ::) ::) don't like to go any where with her she complains about anything and everything , just hoping its not worn off on any of my kids
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Put ear muffs on them when she about!! My Grandad was like that, he owned the farm before my Dad, and visited every day to tell my mum what she was doing wrong ::) ::) ::). When school friends used to try and walk to see me along paths, he'd chase them off with 12 bore !!! Never had much of a social life, surprisingly.... Lottie ;D
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i should think you did not have any friends , dont think i would have gone anywhere near your house with a granadad like that ;D ;D
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He told my dad that "He was the last bloody thing he wanted to see on a stormy night!" Was a real sweetheart, we were never allowed to sit on his lap :'( when I got ready for my first ever disco, at the tender age of 14, came down stairs, all excited, thinking I looked the bees knees, his comment? " God, that's a bloody big spot you've got on your nose......" LOL! Hence very thick skin, and determination, at any cost, to see best in peeps!! They can't possibly be as bad as he was!! Lottie ;D
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sorry lottie i know that was a horrible thing to say to you , but i did make me laugh , some peeps are not very tackfull , must have affected you for years
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Oh Dibs! Cos not! They were his failings not mine, I have my own to work on!!! He was a very hard man, but please don't get wrong idea, I had wonderful time growing up, water off a duck's back, really. Anyway, rest of my family lovely, other Grandfather mad as a hatter, we were very close. So no sob story here, promise. Lottie ;D
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THat sounds quite exciting in its own way Wardy but nearly as good as Lotties excuse for having no friends lolol ;) ;D
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I am prepared to use this lettuce, you know..... :o :o :o Wardy, I was also very sad child, as in I use to love watching my mum gut the pheasants etc, can remember getting really cross if I missed the part where she took out it's stomach!!!! Have "grown" since then...happy to buy without gory side show now!!! Though your father-in-law wins hands down...ewwwww :P! You must have been in love! Lottie ;D
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Icy what a thing to say you know lottie has loads of friends ::) ::) ::) ::) bit worried about you lottie with the phesant stomach bit ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Thanks for the laugh girls...now its yourvturn to laugh at me.
My father-in-law (although he died before we actually got married) was a cross between delboy and Jack the lad..a motor trader been around the block, hard as nails, brash all the things designed to frighten you to death when going out with his eldest daughter.
I decided that I was going to do the right thing and ask him if I could marry his daughter...I did.
To say the silence was deafening was an understatement..... No one could remember him so speachless.
He did agree and the rest is History
Derek
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Awwww, that's sweet and romantic. You're very brave then, Derek. I don't even remember getting a proposal :'( :'( :'(, just remember hanging out washing, going to registry office, getting married, pub lunch, then ironing.. ??? ??? ??? Lottie ;)
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Proposal was funny sort of! I did so on wifey's b'day but cos of the ring and dinner couldn't afford a present as well. To cut a long story short she wouldnlt even sit on the same train carraige as me due to me pretending I had forgotten and then joking about squeezing in some time to go to Pizza hut.
What she didn't know until later was that I booked an exclusive little Italian restaurant, organised a magnum of champagne and had the ring in my pocket! Half way through meal I had a arranged for the champagne and went down on one knee. Well you know what she said but initially it was "get up, you're embarrassing me!". ::) I wouldn't got an answer and we had the main course as an engaged couple.
Everyone cheered and clapped as we left (well all other 10 tables anyway) and made her feel realy special asking to the see the ring etc.
One of those really frosty clear December nights and even a fair in progress. We still have a now very large cactus that was bought at about 2" high as it had red flowers - we couldn't find anyone selling roses lol
One of those nights that will stay in memory for ever. There well others but not going into them here!!! ;) ;D
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That is excellent Icy, and blokes are criticised for not being romantic eh?
My proposal was on my wife's 21st birthday, massive party at a large hotel, loads of family and guests. Halfway through the evening, I dragged her into the reception. She was worried that I was upset, and everyone was curious, gossiping and watching through the glass screens, as I went down on my knee, holding her hand. Then the party really started! That was 28 years ago and it still brings a tear.
Derekthefox :D
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You big soft 'apeth you ;D
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I wouldn't know how to be hard if I tried ...
Derekthefox :D
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ohhh Icy you romantic that is a lovely story , ;) ;) ;) my oh done nothing like that in fact he did not even propose , i had to ask him or i don't think he would have ever asked , but 17 years on and we are still very happy , glad i popped the question ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I'm still trying to work out what happened.... ??? Been lovely since we got married, but still scratching head as to how? LOL!! Lottie ;D
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so did you just wake up one morning with a ring on your finger lottie :o :o :o
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Bit more than a ring, Dibs......I was 7 months pregnant with child no 4 when I got hitched... :o :o :o I didn't so much glide up the aisle, as waddled......in purple....no DMs on that day, I hasten to add.. ;D ;D ;D Lottie
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you should have not broke the tradition and wore your DMs could have got some white glittery ones ;D ;D ;D ;D
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If only I'd have know you then, Dibs!! With your wonderful fashion sense, I bet you'd have made me look erm....wonderful ::) ::) ::) Or something similar!!! ;)Lottie
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it would have been the wedding of the century , lottie would have gone down in histroy , ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Give me time, your fashion ideas and sparkly DMs... ;) Not sure about kettle though.... ;)LOL!! Lottie
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Kettle, at that stage of pregnancy???? Wouldn't a beer barrel be more appropriate? ;)
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Actually Icy, can't disagree!! Which is a such shame!! When I was "expecting" bloomed for about 3mins!! Rest of time spent not feeling A1, I can say politely!!! Kept thinking if I practiced, might get better at it, pregnancy I mean ::)!!! 4 kids on, have finally accepted not....!! Excellent at the labour bit though, shame that one takes 9 months and the other few hours!!! Lottie ;D
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same here lottie i not bad at labour to , had my 2nd daughter in 19 mins oh delivered her before the ambulance arrived , very scary but she was not waiting around , might have been because she was 19 days late , had my twins in 17 mins with 7 mins in-between them was in hospital for that birth ,
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I have to say I thought labour was a nightmare. Staying up all night to be shouted at and have hands sqeezed to bits, no drugs to help, not allowed to llok at the interesting end, and told to shut up when describing how impressive the placenta is..in detail too. Mind you the nine months of walking around on tiptoe wasn't much help either lol ;);D
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Oh you poor thing, Icy... ::). I had no 4 at home, they bring the gas and air with them...and the pethidine ;D..but I went on strike...clamped my legs firmly shut and refused to push!!!! Said I thought I'd done enough and wasn't gong to do this anymore....and tried to send the midwives home....
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if men had to have baby's they would be dying from the first day of pregnancy ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Wouldn't have any problems getting that way though, eh?!? ;) ;D
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Hah - i had a blissful pregnancy, no sickness, ate what i wanted when i wanted... come the labour and baby not keen to be born - 49 hrs start to finish - epidural after 42hrs - forceps in the end :o
Still, reckon he's worth it and hasn't put me off having more... :)
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if men had to have baby's they would be dying from the first day of pregnancy ;D ;D ;D ;D
True! I've never been so thankful to Mother Nature that things are arranged the way they are as when my wife was in labour! :o Best moments of my life, but really really really glad I had the easy bit... probably should shut up now... :-X
Cheers,
Rob ;)
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see thats what i mean Robkb you men got it so easy :o :o :o :o
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I don't know about that girls. OKay you have to lug it around for 9 months and spend a few hours pushing but just think how hard we have to try to get the baby in there in the first place.....years sometimes!!! :o ;)
Live life on the edge Rob, live it on the edge!!!! ;D
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Perhaps you weren't doing it right....... ::) ::) ::) ;D ;)
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lol ;D
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Oh I was doing it right I'm sure - just thought it best to get plenty of practice ;D
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Ah yes, practice all well and good....but was the moon waxing or waning? Was seaweed wet or dry, and were the geese flying clockwise or anti-clockwise????? But, I'm sure you'd have made sure........ ;D Lottie
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Hey, Lottie, any news on council man? I do hope you went all Suffolk on him and clutched a pitchfork and squinted. (My ex is a proper fen man. He says to this day that one of the best days of his life was when he happened to be holding a pitchfork and somebody stopped to ask directions. "You go roight down there, and then you want to go roight. Then you'll see a hoss in that field, and you want to turn roight at the hoss. Then turn roight. If there's an old crow sitting on the plough, you want to turn roight again. Then you'll be alroight.")
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don't know about practice Icy my oh only had to take his trousers off and i was pregnant , had 4 children in 3 years 4 under the age of 3 , oh have had the brick treatment now so we get lots of practice :o :o :o :o
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Bupster, no news as yet, I know he's back from hols, just waiting to hear from him.Will try your OH's approach,sounds great fun!!! Have pitchfork, and axe....which do you think would be best....!!!
Same here Dibs, When attempting no 4, fell that week!! 10 months between 3 and 4.....I was the only lady that my Doc had known who put herself on the chop waiting list, whilst pregnant!!!!!! Not stupid.... ;D ;D ;D But, lawd you must have had your hands full...if you know what I mean....Oh dear... :-\
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sure did lottie , but they are all worth it love them to bits [sometimes} at least they have all hit teenager years about the same time so get all over and done with in one go , just means i have 4 Kevins and Perry's thinking everything is so unfair around the house ;D ;D ;D ;D
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OMG!! I'm still at the stage of hormones, all barbies ever created, sulking, lego, face painting and wobbling about in my high heels.....and that's just me hubbie.. ::) ::) ::) ;D
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Yep practice ws to good. 18 months for the first, 18 minutes for the second! Sort of unplanned as we thought it would take ages again! Mind you <whispering> never told her indoors that I thought 18 minues was ages lolol
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thats a lovely age yours are at lottie , my girls used to love dressing up in fairy dresses and high heels , the lad was allways in the garden collecting slow worms snails spiders and all sorts of creepy crawlys, such lovely memories Cherish them while you can before you know it there gone
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Think you're right, Dibs. Meg, eldest, is already saying "Why?" every other word!!! Had suddenly started getting up early for hair coiffing!! And I obviously have no idea what I am talking about........Have never had a boyfirend, spots, friend problems etc think she thinks I was born married with 4 kids!!! Bless.... ::) Lottie
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i have 4 Kevins and Perry's
~ i have difficulty coping with 2 :-[ :-[
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Think you're right, Dibs. Meg, eldest, is already saying "Why?" every other word!!! Had suddenly started getting up early for hair coiffing!! And I obviously have no idea what I am talking about........Have never had a boyfirend, spots, friend problems etc think she thinks I was born married with 4 kids!!! Bless.... ::) Lottie
Isn't that kids generally? Mine find it very difficult to believe I was ever young (mind you, so do I some days...) They are quite into history and keep asking me what life was like in the old days when I was a kid. I'm sorry but I can't think of the 1970's as history yet!! :o
Cheers,
Rob ;)
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At least you get the 1970s......Jack (7) wanted to know what it was like before electricity was invented!!! But you're right! Maggie (6) just "Why does the sun shine, why do birds fly, how do cars work....." ??? Dan (10), the whiney "Whhyyyeeeee?" And Meg (12) the confrontational "WHY!" LOL!!
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Worst one I've ever had was being asked what there was before the Big Bang! :o :o I just gave her a copy of Stephen Hawking's book and told her to tell me when she found out...
Cheers,
Rob ;)
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LOL!! And? ??? ??? ??? ;)
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Last I heard, they could work it out as far back as three seconds after the Big Bang, and then the math broke down and they couldn't get any further. It was some time ago, though. Maths is beyond me anyway.
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Same here, Robert, how they'll ever work that one out.....I think of it as some sort of eerie silence. This is going to sound weird, but I have a really hard time conceiving of infinity, no end, going on and on and on and.....I just always envisagae something else after the universe...I need a hloiday......
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Best question I ever had was 'Why don't ducks wear socks?'
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I just always envisagae something else after the universe...I need a hloiday......
I'm not sure whether the current idea is that it'll expand indefinitely and end up with heat death, or collapse into a black hole. Either way, you're perfectly correct, there will be something after the universe we know.
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This is going to sound weird, but I have a really hard time conceiving of infinity, no end, going on and on and on and.....
Try travelling to work on the train every day... >:( :o
Cheers,
Rob ;)
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This is going to sound weird, but I have a really hard time conceiving of infinity, no end, going on and on and on and.....
Try travelling to work on the train every day... >:( :o
or listerning to your mother-in-law
MikeB
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LOL!! Take it your MIL doesn't frequent A4A then Mike...? So sorry bout trains, Rob.....my idea of hell, must be awful.
And Robert, I think there's something, cos I can't imagine anything different, but you sounds so sure. Real, straight question for once, why are you so sure?
And one more question, if you don't mind, I have this theory, that gravity is caused by spinning.......really....as in it's tied into centrifugle force in a way yet to be explained. And the stars/planets etc in the universe are being flung out, as if they'd been let go from something spinning in the centre; because the distance between them gets larger the further out you go. Lottie
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The basic theory is that the universe is expanding from a primal explosion; at the same time the force of gravity is pulling it all back together again. If gravity is strong enough to overcome the expansion, it will all collapse back together, into a mega black hole. If gravity isn't strong enough, it will go on expanding forever. In this case, it will eventually reach a state where all the energy is evenly distributed; no stars, no life, no nothing but cinders expanding in darkness, forever. That's heat death. I don't know whether they ever made up their minds which will eventually happen, the maths is far beyond me.
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Thanks Robert. I'm thinking that universal forces could increase in strength, which could lead me to the idea that there might be a something larger than gravity which shoves things away. So, perhaps the universe won't collapse tonight cos the stars might be going faster and faster away from each other cos of this thingy I said earlier....Where's me gin gone????
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well not been online for a couple of days , and am totally lost on this subject lottie can you plz translate ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I think the scientists have just decided they can't decide...again! Something about the energy entering a black hole becoming the dark matter that can't be measured but is known to be there by default. Thsi then balances what is sucked up and is used for star formation again. Another theory therefore is that the universe continues to grow and contract in an indefinite equilibrium. However, because no one actually knows what a black hole does they can't decide whether the energy is altered to a different form or not. The final thing I believe resulted in the latest conclusion that there isn't a conclusion, is the finding that every galaxy has its own black hole but no one knows why!
Hope thats clear now. Personally I find it less brain achy to believe in God and so let him worry about it! ;D
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But will it make my plants grow better?
Derek
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LOL!! Derek!! Well, whole new discussion on whether to plant during moon phases there.....And Dibs, I'd love to translate, but I seem to have confused myself!! Somehow we've gone from me moaning about the council man to whether the universe is expanding or shrinking, I think...But be certain that the scientists still seem to be certain about their uncertainty, certainly for now anyway....... ??? ;D
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right thats great translation lottie know what you are on about now defiantly shrinking everything getting smaller houses fones pc we will soon have to all become midgets to live in house and use appliances ;D ;D ;D ;D
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LOL....Think there could be correlation between rate of offspring growth and living quarter shrinkage..... ::) ::) ::)
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..or rate of individuals growth and stockpiling of seeds, onions, potatoes, old pots, seed trays etc etc etc!!!!
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thats a good one Icy never thought of that bit deep that one ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Well, I think he's really cruel keeping kids in the shed....... ;) though very tempting..........
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ICY thats naughty ::) ::) ::) ::) but having 4 kids myself i wish i had a shed ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Go halves on a biggy :o ;)?
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ok lottie sounds good to me, but i will have to have bigger half as my kids are bigger ;D ;D ;D
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Yes, but mine have more toys, and I do have an axe........ ;D
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yes but mine do have more makeup and i have a chainsaw ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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How's about they have the house and we share the shed!!!! How big is your chainsaw? Friend, matey? :-*
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sounds good to me lottie , and dont worry chainsaw is only little plastic one ;D ;D ;D ;D
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S'OK, got crash helmet on....... ;)
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have plastic hammer and drill even plastic work bench , plastic nails , just had i thought i could build us a shed :D :D :D
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Oh dear, poor Dibs, think the pressure has finally become too much...However........I have plastic kitchen with oven, saucepans, plastic food and everything!!! Even a plastic shopping trolley..... ;DT here is a plan forming here somewhere......
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i even have plastic high heels and plastic bag to wear to icys party ;D ;D ;D
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You'll never win the egg and spoon race like that... ::) ;D ;)
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Dibbs....wiff all em plastic tools ya coulda built Lotties plastic tunnel and saved
her a wedge !!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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well Icy i did offer i told lottie i was the girl for the job with all my plastic assets ;D ;D ;D but lottie said see needed no help as you was going to help her in your kilt ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Erm, Dibs.....have you got your glasses on, Hun? Is Jags not Icy. I was worried this may happen, come on, take the heels off, oxygen starvation to the brain methinks.... ;D ;)
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brown bag please lottie ??? ??? ??? i think i have really lost it icy, jaggy, icy ,jaggy, icy ,jaggy , stop the names in my head lottie i cant stand it ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Awwww, try tying your bunches over your ears? Any good?
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bunches never worked, really do need brown bag help lottie ;D ;D ;D