First mention of climate change I've heard in a while. Thought they'd all gone into hiding. Will go right away and complete the survey. You may have guessed I'm sceptical.
More frequent storms and higher frequency of very bad storms, sea level rise for northern England of 40cm in 50 years.
Its definately been wetter and more stormy. Sea levels at blackpool have risen faster than the predictions so far.
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Sea-level rises should be higher in the south of Britain in theory. Isostatic readjustment continues so the north should be (very slowly) bobbing upwards now that the last ice-age has removed all the extra weight. The south should continue to dip as a result.
(Apparently it's like a plank of wood floating on water. Remove a heavy weight from the northen end and it bobs up making the southerly end bob down. Very slow "bobs" mind you! And... set to continue for a few more centuries when the south will bob up and the north has its turn to bob down. Eventually leveling out.)
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I believe: This time round not a case of the tooth fairy.
I've never seen the thames freeze but it has on 24 occasions, but hey who's counting. :drunken_smilie: :wave:
Erm, the sea is a liquid, not a plank? And unless gravity is somehow stronger in the north than the south or vice versa then it will level itself, and won't need centuries to do so as the initial change is a slow one, not an explosive event. The tides manage to sort themselves out twice a day, and presumably 'global warming' would affect both poles? If not then it's not global.
That's interesting, frost fairs seemed to have come to an end at the beginning of the industrial revolution.I've never seen the thames freeze but it has on 24 occasions, but hey who's counting. :drunken_smilie: :wave:
When the ice was thick enough, frost fairs took place. Years when the ice was thick enough for this to occur were: 1408, 1435, 1506, 1514, 1537, 1565, 1595, 1608, 1621, 1635, 1649, 1655, 1663, 1666, 1677, 1684, 1695, 1709, 1716, 1740, (1768), 1776, (1785), 1788, 1795, and 1814, which was the last frost fair.
Must have been the cow farts.
Hi RobinErm, the sea is a liquid, not a plank? And unless gravity is somehow stronger in the north than the south or vice versa then it will level itself, and won't need centuries to do so as the initial change is a slow one, not an explosive event. The tides manage to sort themselves out twice a day, and presumably 'global warming' would affect both poles? If not then it's not global.
This is because it is the land rising after the melting of the ice some 16,000 years ago. As the ice did not reach the south there is little land level adjustment there whereas in the north of Scotland under a lot of ice the unloading is still causing it to rise. It is rather like heave from clay soils. It is the eustatic sea level changes that come from the malting of ice sheets on land, when the North American ice sheet melted global sea level rose by many metres in less than 100 years.
I've filled in the questionnaire as well but agree it is all seems to lead to answers about a hotter climate rather than a more erratic one.
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That's interesting, frost fairs seemed to have come to an end at the beginning of the industrial revolution.I've never seen the thames freeze but it has on 24 occasions, but hey who's counting. :drunken_smilie: :wave:
When the ice was thick enough, frost fairs took place. Years when the ice was thick enough for this to occur were: 1408, 1435, 1506, 1514, 1537, 1565, 1595, 1608, 1621, 1635, 1649, 1655, 1663, 1666, 1677, 1684, 1695, 1709, 1716, 1740, (1768), 1776, (1785), 1788, 1795, and 1814, which was the last frost fair.
Must have been the cow farts.
I got part way through completing it, and then felt that all the questions were assuming it was getting warmer- Med plants, longer seasons etc. Don't think thats the case so pulled out.
Have I missed something?
Did I say it was anything to do with global CO2 levels? Of course not, as I can't see that being the cause.That's interesting, frost fairs seemed to have come to an end at the beginning of the industrial revolution.I've never seen the thames freeze but it has on 24 occasions, but hey who's counting. :drunken_smilie: :wave:
When the ice was thick enough, frost fairs took place. Years when the ice was thick enough for this to occur were: 1408, 1435, 1506, 1514, 1537, 1565, 1595, 1608, 1621, 1635, 1649, 1655, 1663, 1666, 1677, 1684, 1695, 1709, 1716, 1740, (1768), 1776, (1785), 1788, 1795, and 1814, which was the last frost fair.
Must have been the cow farts.
Ok, I'll bite again. The industrial revolution in Britain, you mean? The country that is 81st largest in the world? Try harder, Chris.
EDIT: I'd wager that a single large bush fire in either Australia or America would have equalled or exceeded the CO2 output of the first few years of the industrial revolution, as would a volcanic eruption. Can't tax us for that though can they?
I am feeling rather confused about climate change, is it getting warmer or colder. Intesting questions made me think about some of the answers,
I got part way through completing it, and then felt that all the questions were assuming it was getting warmer- Med plants, longer seasons etc. Don't think thats the case so pulled out.
Have I missed something?
That's clearly what they want, so that they can report, "99% of gardeners are terrified of the effects of global warming, shock, horror!"
Back in the 1960s we were promised a new Ice Age by the climatologists. Glaciers down to Hadrian's Wall by 2000, London by 2010. I'll believe in global warming after I've had my promised Ice Age. :sunny:
Some of you are more patient than me - I read a bit of waffle, told it how old I was, what my postcode is, whether I was a boy or a girl gardener and then thought, "Don't be so nosey" so quit. We'll cope anyway, won't we? I thought gardening was just about choosing a plant that might work and tipping the odds in it's favour.I'm sorry you found this too nosey. The questions are optional so you can choose not to answer those however gender and age data help tell us whether there is a pattern to belief or not in climate change and whether experience helps adapt to new weather. The postcode allows us to map responses against local climate rather than UK wide - I would not expect a gardener in Norwich to be experiencing the same patterns of climate as those in Truro or Dundee. The questionnaire does take a while to complete but gardeners are generally patient people. Thanks at least for trying the survey.
Some of you are more patient than me - I read a bit of waffle, told it how old I was, what my postcode is, whether I was a boy or a girl gardener and then thought, "Don't be so nosey" so quit. We'll cope anyway, won't we? I thought gardening was just about choosing a plant that might work and tipping the odds in it's favour.I'm sorry you found this too nosey. The questions are optional so you can choose not to answer those however gender and age data help tell us whether there is a pattern to belief or not in climate change and whether experience helps adapt to new weather. The postcode allows us to map responses against local climate rather than UK wide - I would not expect a gardener in Norwich to be experiencing the same patterns of climate as those in Truro or Dundee. The questionnaire does take a while to complete but gardeners are generally patient people. Thanks at least for trying the survey.
That's why we have the free text comments boxes :happy7: Inverness is predicted more average change than Guildford.Some of you are more patient than me - I read a bit of waffle, told it how old I was, what my postcode is, whether I was a boy or a girl gardener and then thought, "Don't be so nosey" so quit. We'll cope anyway, won't we? I thought gardening was just about choosing a plant that might work and tipping the odds in it's favour.I'm sorry you found this too nosey. The questions are optional so you can choose not to answer those however gender and age data help tell us whether there is a pattern to belief or not in climate change and whether experience helps adapt to new weather. The postcode allows us to map responses against local climate rather than UK wide - I would not expect a gardener in Norwich to be experiencing the same patterns of climate as those in Truro or Dundee. The questionnaire does take a while to complete but gardeners are generally patient people. Thanks at least for trying the survey.
Interesting. I moved from Guildford to North of Inverness last year so you would be getting an opinion formed in Guildford showing up in a Highlands postcode - so probably not helpful anyway.
I got part way through completing it, and then felt that all the questions were assuming it was getting warmer- Med plants, longer seasons etc. Don't think thats the case so pulled out.I guess you didn't get to "26 a. Climate change is only hypothetical, changing garden practices are of little use" or "45. Do you think climate change is happening?".
Have I missed something?
I am feeling rather confused about climate change, is it getting warmer or colder. Intesting questions made me think about some of the answers,Thanks, and very understandable questions about whether it is getting warmer or colder. Models for the future suggest more extreme events but on average summers of the 2003 kind are expected to be commonplace by 2050. The problem is that we experience weather (which is hard to predict over more than a few days) but the changes are in climate (which is average values over a longer period and can be modelled quite well) and may take years to be really noticeable. Our cold and wet year is part of the expected extreme events and link to solar and gulf stream patterns.