Well we are going to have a bash at the home made poly tunnel, couldn't stop thinking about it, asked OH if I can get scaffy pipes will he do it ! got on the phone at 9 o'clock to a scaffolding place asked for some damaged pipes! the chap just told me to come down and put some in the car ,and we did, and then I saw a skip with bits of boards and wood well, ::) I had to ask for some, no probs and all for nothing there are still some good folks about,now the water pipes may have to bye them ;D