Topic: Plainsong?

[Aden Roller]

Chichester Cathedral has one of these CLICK and you can have a good nose round from a distance.

How about Durham and Lincoln?

[claybasket]

links2,Lincoln cathedral is beautiful,and dose have  a copy of the Magna Carta,I do not disagree and I have seen the cathedral awhile ago,and many more ,Durham Cathedral has quite a good pedigree also,it has three copys of the Magna Carta,the shrine of St Cuthbert ,and is a unesco site also,have you seen it youself?

[SueK]

Also Durham has the tomb of the venerable Bede.  The cathedral is a remarkable place, but not knowing Lincoln I couldn't compare the two.

The family and I were once visiting Durham when a wedding was taking place.  The main body of the cathedral was cordoned off, but to this day I remember the bride and groom walking back up the aisle at the end to Widor's toccata, all the visitors applauding and, being a bell ringer myself, hearing the bells ringing out over the town. 

[claybasket]

Thanks for that Suek,it must have been lovely seeing that wedding, I used to live 6miles away for Durham city many times it would be pouring a rain when we left home,we   got to the top of this hill that took us down in to Durham ,the sky would have a hole in the black clouds and the sun would beem on that wee city,I used to say that God like Durham,the sun is always shining there.   

[lincsyokel2]

lol, this is the first 'my cathedral is better than your cathedral' argument ive ever been in.................

[lincsyokel2]

Durham Cathedral has quite a good pedigree also,it has three copys of the Magna Carta,

This baffles me.

Thers only four copies of the original 1215 charter exist ,  held at Lincoln Cathedral, Salisbury Cathedral and two at the British Library.

Are you sure they arent copies of copies of the original 1215 charter or copies of the 1225 or 1297 Charters ?

I know The City of London Corporation has a 1297 charter.

If  you want to read whats in it, heres a translation

http://libertyonline.hypermall.com/MagnaCarta.html

Now, the Freemen On The Land will maintain that all the clauses in there still apply and take precedence over any statute, whereas parliament will tell you most of the clauses have been superseded and/or written into  Statute Law (its a very complicated legal argument) . No one is willing to test this proposition, because  if it turns out Magna Carta stands as is, then every statute law passed  since then may be invalid or illegal..............There was a interesting development when a group of guys were threatening to invoke Clause 61, the right to hold a Barons Court and try the Queen for treason  (because she signed the six treaties that got us into the EU, contrary to several clauses in Magna Carta), and that looked promising for a while,  but then silence, nothing. Id be interested to know what happened there.

[Digeroo]

I once went for a Geological tours of Durham fascinating where and how all the rocks orginated.  The thought of how such builtings were built interests me as well.   It was not until I visited Istanbul that I discovered what had filled the gap between the fall of Rome and the great Medieval Cathedrals.

When did Westminster Abbey become a cathedral?   Westminster Cathedral is down the road.

My daughter played in a concert in Gloucester Cathedral, lovely accoustics, lovely atmosphere, pity about the lack of heating.

[lincsyokel2]

Lincolnshire has a seam of luminous limestone running throughout it, and many of the building in the county are built from it. They even found the site of the Mediaeval quarry the stone used in the Cathedral came from, to the east of the city, so now when they fix it they're using the same stuff.

The germans never bombed Lincoln Cathedral for this reason, it could be seen on the horizon in moonlight a hundred and fifty miles away at 15,000 feet altitude and was used as a navigation waypoint for german bombers.

[saddad]

I once went for a Geological tours of Durham fascinating where and how all the rocks orginated.  The thought of how such builtings were built interests me as well.   It was not until I visited Istanbul that I discovered what had filled the gap between the fall of Rome and the great Medieval Cathedrals.

When did Westminster Abbey become a cathedral?   Westminster Cathedral is down the road.

My daughter played in a concert in Gloucester Cathedral, lovely accoustics, lovely atmosphere, pity about the lack of heating.

Hi Digeroo... I don't have all the ecclesiastical history to hand... but "WestMinster Cathedral" is the Catholic Cathedral.. Westminster Abbey is a much older foundation. I don't know when it got a Bishop (Cathedra is the Bishop's Chair) but Like York Minster not all old cathedrals are known by that name..

[claybasket]

lincs,will you look up the wikipedia,Durham cathedral,that were I read about the three copies of the Magna Carta were,Bye the way this is not about who's got the biggest spiral and the best cathedral,but a mear observation about how beautiful these buildings are don't you think so?

[Aden Roller]

lincs,will you look up the wikipedia,Durham cathedral,that were I read about the three copies of the Magna Carta were,Bye the way this is not about who's got the biggest spiral and the best cathedral,but a mear observation about how beautiful these buildings are don't you think so?

Yep!!

I can see Chichester Cathedral from my bedroom window and, if I look out of the front window, our local church. (I'm not saying either is the best.... just rather lovely old buildings).  ;)

[caroline7758]

York Minster, anyone? ;D

[Jill]

or Canterbury?..... or even St David's!

[SueK]

Others that spring to mind are Liverpool Anglican (the largest/heaviest ring of bells hung for ringing in the world - appreciate that may not be everyone's thing, I don't remember the building being up to much) and also Liverpool RC, which has wonderful stained glass.

I'm afraid that York Minster lost it for me when it started charging.  :(

[lincsyokel2]

lincs,will you look up the wikipedia,Durham cathedral,that were I read about the three copies of the Magna Carta were,Bye the way this is not about who's got the biggest spiral and the best cathedral,but a mear observation about how beautiful these buildings are don't you think so?

There are five Charter versions that constitute Magna Carta

The first charter, the 1215, is the original, and the one everyone knows about, and only exists in 4 copies.

The second charter, the 1216, and the third charter, 1217, the fourth is 1225,  and the last revision, 1297,  is not known how many copies were made, but 13 copies are known to exist of the revisions.

of the 1215 Charter, the four copies are at Lincoln,  Salisbury and two copies at the British Library museum. This is corroborated by the British Library, a more reliable source than Wikipedia................

http://www.bl.uk/treasures/magnacarta/document/index.html
http://www.bl.uk/treasures/magnacarta/basics/basics.html

According to

http://www.ehow.com/list_6534165_magna-carta-primary-resources.html

Thirteen later versions of the Magna Carta also survive. Durham Cathedral owns copies of the 1216, 1217 and 1225 versions. Overseas, copies of the 1297 version are on display at Australia's Parliament House in Canberra and at the U.S. National Archives in Washington, D.C.

So as I said, four copies of the original survive,  What Durham has are revised versions of the originals, as  I said.

[lincsyokel2]

Others that spring to mind are Liverpool Anglican (the largest/heaviest ring of bells hung for ringing in the world - appreciate that may not be everyone's thing, I don't remember the building being up to much) and also Liverpool RC, which has wonderful stained glass.

I'm afraid that York Minster lost it for me when it started charging.  :(

yes Lincoln cathedral charges except on Sunday Mornings.