!!!!! Whoops Jennym, I have been on plot today and pruned them all, never mind after about 3 hours of pruning and clearing tons of leaves off the bed, there are around 40-45 bushes (lots of jan hopefully) still currently walking with a bend in the middle, eat night for me I think work in the morning.oh does anyone know what Angelica is? And it's uses there is quite a but labeled up around the crab apple trees. :D