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The broad bean test works well (thanks to Eristic for devising that one), and the seedlings will grow distorted if the poison is present.
QuoteIf you can find a spare bed where you don't need to grow anything, spread the three bags over the bed, dig it in, and then turn it regularly over a period of several months so the bacteria in the soil can break down the chemicals. Then it should be safe.Can we stop spreading this Dow propaganda once and for all. There is no evidence that it breaks down biologically and observations indicate otherwise. The highly soluble poison is readily and immediately absorbed by any nearby plant and the rest is washed away into the surrounding watershed. If the plants that absorb the poison are not harmed they simply hold the poison within the plant tissue to be released back to the soil when the plant dies.The broad bean test works well (thanks to Eristic for devising that one), and the seedlings will grow distorted if the poison is present.If you spread Dow's toxic chemicals on your ground and dig it in, your ground may well be safe within a few weeks but your neighbour might not be able to grow potatoes for several years.
If you can find a spare bed where you don't need to grow anything, spread the three bags over the bed, dig it in, and then turn it regularly over a period of several months so the bacteria in the soil can break down the chemicals. Then it should be safe.
you can buy it in HiFi accessory shops too, a teeny little bottle of about 30ml for about a fiver!
Bad science!
QuoteBad science!I see. Using sacrificial beans as a means of testing for the presence of bean toxins is bad science. Using keen observations instead of carefully reading papers produced by the poison manufacturer is bad science.I am proud to be a bad scientist. I question everything. I push the boundaries so that I know exactly where the boundaries are. I discuss my observations here.Anyone who disagrees with me is welcome to discuss as to where I'm flawed or carry out their own experiments (scientific or otherwise) but I'm sick of seeing extracts and summaries from papers paid for by Dow. While Dow probably employs some of the best scientists in the world they are not in the business of telling the truth to the public.What I want to know is what the hell the RHS was doing all that time, why they did nothing, why they are still doing nothing and why did they not suspend their trials for 2007-2008 even though their trial ground showed signs of contamination?I also want to know why the NVS failed to notify the public of this threat in spite of claiming later that they knew all about it the year previously?
...I don't know if that was 'bad science' or not, earlier - I don't know enough about it. But I'm certainly suspicious of hand-waving reassurances from the makers of the chemical. Reminds me of John Selwyn-Gummer and his hamburger... (as the BSE/ Creutzfeld-Jacob crisis loomed, for those of you that don't remember)....
How it did or didn't pan out isn't the question - at the time of JSG's stunt in defence of the meat industry, nobody knew how bad it was going to be. It still isn't known how long it might remain latent in an individual:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creutzfeld-Jacob_Disease#New_concerns_on_incidence_and_prevalenceEating a hamburger to 'prove' that it's 'safe' is what I call bad science!