Topic: FIREWORKS AND ANIMALS

[Flunky]

I cant get my head around this. Surely the organised displays are just as loud if not louder than "home" bought fireworks. We going stop these ?

It is an offence to let off fireworks in the street, why are the people moaning about kids letting them off willy and indeed nilly not making complaints to the police ? What I do in my garden, providing its legal is up to me, not anyone else.

Hope it rains ? thats not very nice. Not caring for animals ? who said anything about not caring for animals. I have a dog he doesnt care about fireworks, just looks out of the window and watches them, quite funny really. What about my chickens, the lottie is about 100m away from an organised display, what should i do ? ask them stop ?

Come on people, you cannot please all of the people all of the time. As one poster said in another thread or was it this one, dont know or care. "if you cant stand the heat...." 

I think we need to get a grip in this country, if the majority wants them, sorry, we can have them. thats democracy for you.

[Hyacinth]

"organised displays"..I've been fortunate to be at a lot, all over the world..Chinese New Year in the Far East, New Year's Eves in Italy, 4th July and Thanksgiving impromptu parties for the children in the US, and nearer to home, our Summer Fete always ends with a display....all of them a delight.

Pyromaniacs of the World unite ;D

[Borlotti]

It has got much better this year as the police will stop the lovely/horrible children that let off fireworks in the street and in the local parks at night.  It is dangerous and children think it is funny until they have a bad accident, that is why most sensible parents take their children to organised firework displays.  No-one wants to stop people having fun and if you have a large garden and watch the children no problem, but some people let off rockets and large fireworks in small back yards and the fireworks do not stay on their property but land in other peoples gardens.  The fire brigade and the accident and emergency department (if you are lucky enough to have a hospital where it has not shut down) are extremely busy roundabout November 5th.  Yes jumping crackers are fun until someone throws one at you and it goes up your skirt. Also fireworks are not cheap and with a lot of people worrying about paying the bills fireworks have become a luxury.

[Hyacinth]

Agree with everything you say, Borlotti, except......"jumping crackers are fun" ? Damned terrify me :'(

[posie]

I've always thought the idea of allowing members of the general public to purchase what are in my mind explosives a very strange one.  I personally think it is generally safer to attend public organised displays, where people are trained and know what they are doing.  Perhaps I should suggest this to my neighbour across the lane who seems to have no sense of direction when letting off the skud missiles (or should that be no sense?).  Their yard is smaller than mine and judging by the debris a lot smaller than the flaming things he was setting fire to.  Maybe not everyone's opinion but that is mine.  :)

[SamLouise]

I have a dog he doesnt care about fireworks, just looks out of the window and watches them, quite funny really.

LOL, Flunky!!  Reminds me of when I phoned my sister to see how her black lab was doing.  "Oh, he's just bouncing round the back garden like his normal mental self" came her reply  ;D ;D

[Flunky]

I have a dog he doesnt care about fireworks, just looks out of the window and watches them, quite funny really.

LOL, Flunky!!  Reminds me of when I phoned my sister to see how her black lab was doing.  "Oh, he's just bouncing round the back garden like his normal mental self" came her reply  ;D ;D

It is funny, just sits and rests his chin on the window cill and watches. Mr Solo the doberman, neighbours will walk past and he just watches them aswell, proper personality. And a very good boy !!!!!! i am more concerned about him eating the manure down the lottie, dirty begger.

[betula]

Flunky..................yes I did say if you can't stand the heat........cheap shot I think.This post was about animals not me.

I do not mind compromise,I think OK people enjoy them why not go to a display.That way it is for one night for a few hours ,not day after day.

As I said I do not think private parties are acceptable with the power of modern explosives.
I am glad your animal does not suffer but as this post shows many do.

A kind of I am all right jack attitude. ???

And yes I do hope it rains on private parties and turn all your fireworks to a soggy mess :P

To the people that go to a properly organised event ,I wish you have a good time.

Can you get your head round that??

[glosterwomble]

... I do not mind compromise,I think OK people enjoy them why not go to a display.That way it is for one night for a few hours ,not day after day.

As I said I do not think private parties are acceptable with the power of modern explosives.
I am glad your animal does not suffer but as this post shows many do......

This is exactly my point, we have had fireworks going off around our area for about a month now, if there were only organised events then we would only have a few days maybe? To see an animal in distress is one of the worst things ever!

[flowerofshona2007]

I agree with Posie !!!
It wouldnt be so bad if the public could only buy the smaller fireworks that dont make the awful noise and if they where only let off on the 5th Nov !!!!
We have had over 2 weeks and all the post boxes around here have to be sealed up !!!! idiots think its great fun to put them through peoples letter boxes and people have been killed and left homeless !! is that fun ???
Its gun powder now where can i go buy some and make a bomb ????
One night only and only the smaller ones in gardens would make life so much better !!
Nextdoors son is autistic and the bangs make him scream in pain as his ears are so sensitive !! is that fun ??
Only one of my dogs has a problem and that was started after a neighbour had the big ones and she needed a wee at 10pm before bed and as we let her out they let them of and scared her half to death !!
I love fireworks and bonfires but i dont like 2-3 weeks of hell !!!!

[asbean]

Last year my next door neighbour knocked on our door on the Saturday morning and said "Just though I'd let you know, we're going to be letting off 25 fireworks in the back garden at 6.00 this evening".   Now how thoughtful was that?  We knew exactly what was going on, and for how long, and could make sure the cats were OK.

The chap at the end of our garden, whose garden is over 100 ft long lets off his fireworks right at the end behind our fence (30 feet from our house).  When I asked him (very nicely) if he could let them off a bit further from the fence the answer was a plain "NO!".  And he lets them off randomly, throughout the year, the loudest ones possible.

[cornykev]

I'd have the hose pipe straight over the back garden.  ;D ;D ;D

[Flunky]

Flunky..................yes I did say if you can't stand the heat........cheap shot I think.This post was about animals not me.

I do not mind compromise,I think OK people enjoy them why not go to a display.That way it is for one night for a few hours ,not day after day.

As I said I do not think private parties are acceptable with the power of modern explosives.
I am glad your animal does not suffer but as this post shows many do.

A kind of I am all right jack attitude. ???

And yes I do hope it rains on private parties and turn all your fireworks to a soggy mess :P

To the people that go to a properly organised event ,I wish you have a good time.

Can you get your head round that??

Yes i can get "my head round that", cheap shot, I disagree, if you dont like it make sure it doesnt affect you. get out of the kitchen.

Darn right I am all right jack. And even if I wasnt, i would'nt moan to eveyone, i would find a way to make sure it did'nt bother me. i would not expect the whole world to revolve around me or change something thats been a tradition since 1605. i think it wholey wrong for someone to force their opinions on me and if I am not breaking the law, what the hey.

With regards to modern fireworks, gunpowder is gun powder. Its not C4 or similar. I dont think they are any louder than when I was kid. Just as you get older may seem louder.

I would like to make this crystal clear. When i have a fireworks party i would do my upmost to make sure i dont upset someone, however i am not going to please everybody.

[betula]

I do not force my opinion on anyone.I  asked in my original post that people spare a thought for the animals.I asked would people go to organised events as at least if everyone did that the animals suffering would at least be short.

If you have a problem with what I said ,why not post it in that particular thread instead of trying to spread it across the board. Like I said, Cheap shot.

You amused me when you said fireworks may seem louder when you get older,what a silly,ill informed,ageist comment.I have kids older than you so don't try to teach your granny to suck eggs.

I can only repeat PLEASE consider the animals.

[Flunky]

"You amused me when you said fireworks may seem louder when you get older,what a silly,ill informed,ageist comment.I have kids older than you so don't try to teach your granny to suck eggs."

Now thats an ageist comment. I wasnt trying be anything. Just making a point, things seem different when you grow up. Like the loos in primary school, seem very small now.

"If you have a problem with what I said ,why not post it in that particular thread instead of trying to spread it across the board. Like I said, Cheap shot."

Wasnt my place to comment, wasnt directed at me. i thought it wrong but thats upto the persons involved. Just reminding you of what you said.

I do not force my opinion on anyone.I  asked in my original post that people spare a thought for the animals.I asked would people go to organised events as at least if everyone did that the animals suffering would at least be short.

I have not once said anything about not caring for animals. You do force your opinion because you are saying i am wrong. i am entitled to say what i think as are you, i am not saying you are wrong i am saying you cant expect eveyone to beleive what you believe. In replies - 18/22/28/26/47 you do come across quite strongly.

Peace.

[asbean]

I'd have the hose pipe straight over the back garden.  ;D ;D ;D

No waay, he has a bb gun and uses us as target practice  >:( >:( >:(

[Sinbad7]

I don't see how one can consider the animals over fireworks, you either have them or ban them.

I am not for banning them as I love them and have always done so.

It's not just Bonfire night round this way as Diwali is celebrated with letting off fireworks ( which seems to go on for days) and up the road from here we have a mansion house where they hold wedding receptions and they  always have them during their evening festivities.

I also have a dog that is terrified of them and it is a nightmare for him and me but I consider it is my fault the way he is as I made a fuss of him as a puppy when he first didn't like the bangs where really I should have left him alone.  He's now at the stage and so well programmed that when it gets dark he stands waiting to hear them before they have even started.

I really do feel sorry for him as he gets in such a state but I still wouldn't want fireworks banned and we certainly can't tell people not to have them in their gardens.  I think we are told enough of what we can and what we can't do in this country.

Are they louder......................maybe, they seem larger than the ones we had, but half the fun in the back garden was waiting for the loud bang after you had seen all the pretty colours.

[Borlotti]

Betula: have recently used that saying to my granddaughter 'don't teach your grandmother to suck eggs' and she asked me why I sucked them!!!!!  Do you know the origin of that saying perhaps they sucked them in the old, old days to see if they were fresh.  I am getting old and miserable as hearing about the display in London tonight after the Lord Mayors Show am thinking what a lot of money to go up in smoke and if they have money to burn why not do something useful with it.  Was thinking of going to the London to watch but it was too cold and rainy.  It is not only animals that hate fireworks a lot of children are frightened of them and old people.  My brother used to experiment making his own and hang magnesium ribbon on the washing line and lit it until it burnt the washing line and he got told off.  He used to love lighting them but luckily he never got hurt, I think rockets in milk bottles were favourite and catherine wheels that didn't go round and one banged them and they flew off the fence.  I don't think mother knew what he was doing most of the time.  I think we are more aware of the dangers of fireworks today (haven't seen so many features on TV this year showing the dreadful accidents) so perhaps more people are going to displays. One year we had indoor fireworks which were good fun at Xmas apart from the fact they set fire to the table cloth, but as children we thought it was extremely funny.  When gran was 80 dad put 80 candles on her cake and that caught light and gran fell backwards off the chair (luckily she was OK).  We laughed and laughed, no smoke alarms in those days just threw the cake in the back garden.  Just to say fire is dangerous and some people are not sensible with bonfires or fireworks and if you say you can do what you like in your own back garden I don't think you can if lighted missiles end up in next doors.  Many houses in London have very small gardens/yards, not suitable for launching missiles.

[debster]

I enjoy fireworks but always go to a display this is simply because we have always taken the children, i work in a and e i know what a firework can do we recently had an adult in whos neighbour had had fireworks he had put the remains of what flew over his garden on a bonfire and they blew up in his face, he spent a long time in a specialist burns unit. im not saying things cant and dont happen at organised displays but the fireworks tend to be further away. i hate to see kids lighting them in the streets.
i have birds and i am lucky enough that they seem to be ok with the fireworks, in fact my parrot shouts weeee!!
i know people who keep birds in outside aviaries can have their brids very frightened.
i dont think they should be banned etc but i think the number of nights you are allowed to set them off should be limited i too live in a university area and november the fifth lasts about a month
i feel so sorry for any animals that are terrified by fireworks and that includes wild animals too

[flowerofshona2007]

They ARE louder !!
Think back 20 years (if you can :lol)
We used to have a variety box with a few rockets, catherin wheels, roman candles ect and a few sparklers, they went up with whoosh and the bang was quite small, and we all went weee oooooooooh arrrrrrrrrrr !
Then we copied the USA again and we had to have BIGGER ! they are now multi shot bombs and have to have more gunpowder to get them up high enough !!! nothing to do with getting older we are just not happy unless things are bigger and better !