Topic: Smoking ban poll

[greyhound]

Ah don't give me that. i have refrained from using the fact that my mother in law is dying of lung cancer as my anti smoking stance, also that my mother is badly affected by smoke due to her MS and she likes to go out for a drinkie  etc etc

Clearly you are a very compassionate person.

[emmy1978]

We lost my partners mum to lung cancer in november 06. I had already given up, OH was in the process of doing so when she was diagnosed and within weeks of her diagnosis both of OH's brothers ahd given up too. Was a bit of a wake up call for everyone I think. You make your choices and take the chances.
Sorry to hear you are going through this too Heldi. It is horrible, horrible, horrible.

[Froglegs]

health risks aside,  it's just nice not to have stinging eyes, a sore throat and smelly clothes just because you wanted to be sociable.

It is unfortunate that only when a smoker stops smoking that they realize that.  :)

[SnooziSuzi]

health risks aside,  it's just nice not to have stinging eyes, a sore throat and smelly clothes just because you wanted to be sociable.

It is unfortunate that only when a smoker stops smoking that they realize that.  :)

Agreed.

Personally, I took it up because my parents smoked and I wanted to know what all of the fuss was about, so I perservered with the coughing fits / nearly being sick etc, because at 8 years old I thought it must have made me look grown up, after all, all of the adults around me were doing it.  Thank G*d I came to my senses!

[Heldi]

Thanks Emmy,it's a bit raw at the moment. I'm sorry for your loss Emmy and Greyhound I am truly sorry about your mate. I hate smoking, I don't hate you!!  Or anyone else for that matter.  Can we get back to ribbing each other pleease!!!

Besides i have to nip to the toilet every five mins after a couple of drinks and that has got to be more of an inconvience than nipping outside for a drag hasn't it?!!

[emmy1978]

Besides i have to nip to the toilet every five mins after a couple of drinks and that has got to be more of an inconvience than nipping outside for a drag hasn't it?!!

 ;D Heldi!! Me too!!!! Pesky babies.

[northener]

Its crap having to stand outside pubs to have a f*g in the rain. Better provisions should have been made. I don't want to socialise outside with folk i don't like. I want to sit with a pint watching racing with my mates and have an occasional f*g. No kids allowed in pub so i can't see the problem. Don't like smoke don't come in.

[emmy1978]

Don't like smoke don't come in.

That's just rude. If it's ok for you to say that then it's ok for non smokers to say if you want to smoke - get out.
Smokers now the minority and unfortunately that means you don't call the shots.

[Baccy Man]

Smokers now the minority and unfortunately that means you don't call the shots.

Any other minority group would get preferential treatment.

[Froglegs]

Its crap having to stand outside pubs to have a f*g in the rain. Better provisions should have been made. I don't want to socialise outside with folk i don't like. I want to sit with a pint watching racing with my mates and have an occasional f*g. No kids allowed in pub so i can't see the problem. Don't like smoke don't come in.

Stop at home and watch the racing on ya own telly, invite ya mates round get a few cans in.Then there would be no big kids in so no problem. Don't like the ban stop at home. Swings and round-a-bouts ain't it. ;)

[keef]

Don't like smoke don't come in.

That's just rude. If it's ok for you to say that then it's ok for non smokers to say if you want to smoke - get out.
Smokers now the minority and unfortunately that means you don't call the shots.

In the pubs i frequent smokers are easily in the majority.

[Mrs Ava]

The countless nights I've gone out and had to suffer cigarette smoke, dread to think of the effect it had on me, against my wishes.

What effect is that then.
There is no significant risk from second hand smoke to anyone, it is another lie which this Government has created, there is no epidemiological study which shows second hand smoke to have a relative risk factor over 3 (over 3 is significant) even the ones that have been fixed by ASH and Cancer research, combined these studies show a RR of well below 2. Second hand smoke may be insignificantly harmful but so is water,coffee,most household products and cosmetics.

Wonder what the late Roy Castle would have thought about that, all those years being a musician in smoke filled clubs and bars, then to die of lunch cancer.  And my dad, smoked since he was a teen, died of heart disease linked to his smoking, he was fit and well, low cholestrol, very fit as a milkman, normal BP etc.

Pubs is a tricky one.  But again, smokers do seem to the be the minority now so it does seem unfair for non smokers to have to inhale their smoke, but then I can't imagine a clean fresh smelling boozer!  The stink of a smoker I don't miss.  There is a mum who comes to one of the kids clubs and watches and phewie, you can smell her as she walks through the door.  It isn't a sexy stench thats for sure.  Yellow teeth, wrinkles, couging up crap, but I still miss that first smoke of the day. :-\  

Ex smokers get on their high horses about giving up and hating smoking, people who smoke get on their high horses because they are being told they shouldn't do it.  Any addict has the same problem whether to booze, drugs or cigs.

[Mrs Ava]

In the pubs i frequent smokers are easily in the majority.

I wonder if that is regional though.  In our local it is a few people that smoke, I don't think it has made that greater difference.

[Froglegs]

Smokers now the minority and unfortunately that means you don't call the shots.

Any other minority group would get preferential treatment.

 ::)Some people are never satisfied, you are allowed to stand anywhere in the carpark and yet ya still moan, i don't know ya wont jam on it. ;) ;D

[keef]

In the pubs i frequent smokers are easily in the majority.

I wonder if that is regional though.  In our local it is a few people that smoke, I don't think it has made that greater difference.

Its varies from pub to pub, and depends on the kind of people that go in there - sorry to keep harping on but... smoking and non-smoking pubs is the way it should be.

[Mrs Ava]

I am not having a dig at smokers at all....remember, if they put vitamin C in them, or gave them away with your shreddies, theres a good chance I would start again.  Just interesting to think about smoking patterns geographically and demographically....if that is what I mean....  Big words on a Friday isn't a good start to the weekend!

There is no way around the law is there?  I mean you can't get a licence to have a smokers only pub for example?  I guess 'smoking speakeasies' will crop up.

[Baccy Man]

No there is no way round the law freedom of choice has been taken away.
The next step is giving out plastic glasses as people can't be trusted with glass even though the surveys show 85% of customers believe that a polycarbonate cup would devalue their drinking experience & three-quarters of drinkers would stop visiting a pub if it served drinks in plastic vessels rather than glasses.
http://www.caterersearch.com/Articles/2007/05/29/313987/plastic-glasses-a-turn-off-in-pubs.html

Plastic glasses with a no smoking message are already being given to drinkers in Northamptonshire who want to pop outside for a f*g to make drinking outside safer and to get the smoke-free message across to everyone using them.
http://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/news_detail.aspx?articleid=46959

[emmy1978]

Its varies from pub to pub, and depends on the kind of people that go in there - sorry to keep harping on but... smoking and non-smoking pubs is the way it should be.

I see your point keef but what happens when a new licensee takes over? You can't guarantee they will want to keep it as a smoking pub.

[keef]

Its varies from pub to pub, and depends on the kind of people that go in there - sorry to keep harping on but... smoking and non-smoking pubs is the way it should be.

I see your point keef but what happens when a new licensee takes over? You can't guarantee they will want to keep it as a smoking pub.

Fair enough then, its up to the licensee - presumably they will have done some research into the pub they are buying and will be able to make an informed decision on whether or not to ban smoking in that pub. On a side note, the changing of licensee quite often does more for emptying a pub than banning smoking - from personal experience  >:(

[Si D]

On a purely selfish point: we now have a whole host of pubs and resturants that we can happily use so the ban is GOOD THING for us  ;D

I can see why smokers who now can't smoke in their local where practically everyone smokes are annoyed.  But I guess the problem is that a blanket ban is easier and cheaper to enforce than treating each case individually.