I will see how my seed saving goes and I will send you some Lorna. I only grow Spencers. I have Charlies Angel (IMO) the best there is. Anniversary, Jilly, White supreme, Mrs. Bernard Jones, My friend got me some seeds from the gardeners world show that I wanted and I have sown a few last week of each sort hoping that I will have more seed for putting in when October comes. It may prove impossible to get them that quick but it's worth a try. The ones that I am growing just for seed are only just beginning to set seed. Everything depends on the weather now. Will post a pic of them when they start to get up the canes a bit more. If you look on the net you will get some idea of what they look like. The new one sI have are Mollie Rilstone, Apricot Queen, Sarah Kennedy and an old favourite of mine Brian Clough. All these are good for growing or showing