Author Topic: Help with clematis ID please? (Read 4108 times)

triffid · « **on:** May 10, 2007, 09:12:27 »

This is one I've had for 14 years but the label was lost a house-move ago.
It's a montana type, in full flower now; a green-white blossom, and is unusual for a clematis, in that it has a really sweet scent.

Help with ID would be terrific. :)

Grandma · « **Reply #1 on:** May 10, 2007, 12:36:49 »

Don't know, Triff, sorry - but I have a pink one, very similar, Montana (something) 'Elizabeth' and that has a wonderful, strong perfume, too - very like a carnation, sweet and clove-y. Maybe yours and mine are related? ;)

Grandma · « **Reply #2 on:** May 10, 2007, 12:54:07 »

Just checked, Triff and mine's called C Montana 'Elizabeth' - nothing posh! Seems to have broader petals than yours? ???

Bit past it's best now but has been lovely :)

triffid · « **Reply #3 on:** May 10, 2007, 14:18:09 »

My clematis isn't a posh 'un either, Grandma. ;D (Pretty pic, by the way!)

In the back of my mind, I think I remember it being something like montana 'Alba'... which would make sense, as it's a white montana. ::) But I could be confusing it with my potato vine, which is solanum jasminoides 'Album'. I'm easily baffled, me!

Palustris · « **Reply #4 on:** May 10, 2007, 15:07:11 »

It looks like C. montana wilsoni, which is the standard whitish Montana. All the other whtish montanas are either much fuller flowers or have appeared in the last few years.

triffid · « **Reply #5 on:** May 10, 2007, 15:13:47 »

Thanks, Palustris! :) So presumably C. m. wilsoni is scented, then? Cause that's the thing that everyone who walks past this one asks about...

Grandma · « **Reply #6 on:** May 10, 2007, 15:46:17 »

Hello again Triff! I hope I'm not going to confuse the issue even further but I'm pretty sure yours is not C. Montana 'Wilsonii' which has large, white flowers - in July and August!!!

But I don't think it's C. Montana Alba either!

This is my C. Montana Alba today - it has a larger flower than yours; is pure white - (not greenish-white) - and has absolutely no perfume at all. ???

Have you got something a bit special?

Obelixx · « **Reply #7 on:** May 10, 2007, 15:57:16 »

There's a website with a search facility that lets you key in info to find clems. I put in white tepals, yellow anthers, montana group and scented and it came up with these 4:-

http://www.clematis.hull.ac.uk/new-clemdetail.cfm?dbkey=3147
http://www.clematis.hull.ac.uk/new-clemdetail.cfm?dbkey=3111
http://www.clematis.hull.ac.uk/new-clemdetail.cfm?dbkey=2932
http://www.clematis.hull.ac.uk/new-clemdetail.cfm?dbkey=3330

As you have the original, you could compare more easily and refine the search further if you think none is the correct one.

Have fun.

bombus · « **Reply #8 on:** May 10, 2007, 16:59:00 »

Hi Triffid, could it be Montana Grandiflora, it looks like it to me, and its been around for years.

Palustris · « **Reply #9 on:** May 10, 2007, 17:33:40 »

According to my research C. montana wilsoni flowers just a little later than straight montana and is sweetly scented.

Grandma · « **Reply #10 on:** May 10, 2007, 20:07:36 »

Isn't this a teaser? :-\ I so want to agree with Palustris! C montana Elizabeth and Wilsonii are said to be the most strongly scented. The Wilsonii flowers (with their narrower petals) look just like yours, Triff - but it is supposed to be a 'late' variety! Maybe this year, with such a warm, sunny April it thinks its high summer already!

Palustris · « **Reply #11 on:** May 10, 2007, 20:22:40 »

So let us muddy the pool again. These are our collection of C. montana. I know the names of some of them, but not all. Taken today.

Palustris · « **Reply #12 on:** May 10, 2007, 20:26:25 »

and more

Palustris · « **Reply #13 on:** May 10, 2007, 20:29:25 »

and finally!

triffid · « **Reply #14 on:** May 10, 2007, 21:01:17 »

Thank you everyone for helping with the puzzle: and Palustris, what a wonderful clematis collection you have!
The closest to mine seems to be 006; it's got those turned-under tepal sides that mine has.

It hasn't been possible to see between the raindrops this evening but I'll get out and measure the flowers tomorrow. They're not big -- at a guess, about 2.5 inches across -- so that eliminates some of the larger flowered montanas.

Palustris · « **Reply #15 on:** May 10, 2007, 21:07:36 »

I think that one is straight forward C. montana, did not sniff the flowers though. Some clones of it are less scented than others though.

janet h 1948 · « **Reply #16 on:** May 10, 2007, 21:58:58 »

Clematis wilsonii flowers may-june & smells of hot chocolate. Just had a look on the hull site.

Grandma · « **Reply #17 on:** May 11, 2007, 00:33:32 »

Triff - Does look like No 6, doesn't it? Whatever it's called it's a real beauty! Enjoy it and its lovely perfume! :)
Palustris - Oh, wow! What a fabulous collection! Thanks for taking the trouble to photograph them all, too.

triffid · « **Reply #18 on:** May 11, 2007, 02:03:52 »

Quote from: janet h 1948 on May 10, 2007, 21:58:58

Clematis wilsonii flowers may-june & smells of hot chocolate...

At the moment, everything in the garden just smells of rain! Can't say I've picked out hot chocolate, though, among the wafts from the clematis... *will go and have a snuffle in daylight and report back* :)

Twospot Ladybird · « **Reply #19 on:** May 12, 2007, 17:04:42 »

I agree with Palustris and janet h. It looks like Clematis Montana 'wilsonii'

Palustris, picture 006 of yours looks like 'wilsonii' too

here's a link to the clematis hull pic for comparison

http://www.clematis.hull.ac.uk/new-clemdetail.cfm?dbkey=324

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Author Topic: Help with clematis ID please? (Read 4108 times)