thanks, I forgot about minicole, they`ll be fine if I squash them in a small area. Yes I`ll put them in my plan plus one curly kale plant. Pathetic isn`t it but realistic, I am juicing loads as it is, just to get them eaten at the moment. I only ever use bocking 14 and hm hotbin compost and a few chicken pellets, everything is growing like the clappers, oh I forgot the green manure, I suppose my clay soil is well fed